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Thx, I came in late and skipped several pages.....
See Post #56 for an amazing list.
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Thx, I came in late and skipped several pages.....
See Post #56 for an amazing list.
I don't know what you are up to but using that list, which has so many problems it's not funny, is not likely to be the basis for any increase in understanding. The originators of that list have an objective of removing you from the Catholic Church, and the truth doesn't matter very much to them. What you COULD do instead of buying into that list is learn some history, some real history. Most of their one liner 'errors' has a long history and a sensible explanation in keeping with Original Christianity.Obviously it looks like i am trying to pull the Catholic church down but no! I am trying to 'Pull apart' sections of it that confuse me so that i can better understand them or even dismiss them.
I don't know what you are up to but using that list, which has so many problems it's not funny, is not likely to be the basis for any increase in understanding. The originators of that list have an objective of removing you from the Catholic Church, and the truth doesn't matter very much to them. What you COULD do instead of buying into that list is learn some history, some real history. Most of their one liner 'errors' has a long history and a sensible explanation in keeping with Original Christianity.
Don't you know how to refute #22? They're off by at least 1400 years.
Don't you know how to refute #15? Again, they are off by centuries.
None of this is rocket surgery, but it does take knowing more history than the originators of this list know. The list is in and of itself a lie. Individual items on this list have been answered many times. But the same list has 'helped' many a Catholic out of the Catholic Church. That list is tawdry. And I AM biased against it because I've seen it many times before. It's trotted out by low information anti-Catholic evangelists on a regular basis.
Good for you. It gets tossed at Catholics all the time. Usually with a "come out from her" advisory. Such bigotry still shows up all too often. Well meaning Catholics and Protestants have dug into how to come to agreement on thorny issues but the originators of this list are just holy hand grenade throwers.I've been around a long, long time, have never ever seen either of those lists, and I have never heard either preached or taught.
Just to clarify what/whom, in your POV, are heretics?just as all heretics are enemies of God.
Just to clarify what/whom, in your POV, are heretics?
Men like Arius, Nestorius, Theodore of Mopsuestia, Ibas, Theodoret, and so forth. Those who taught to entice people away from the common faith of the Church that they were entrusted to strengthen and preserve as presbyters and bishops.
In a more general sense, anyone who does not proclaim and adhere to the faith defended at the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.
And what of the later councils?
I am aware of that but that was not the question....The Oriental Orthodox Church doesnt recognise later councils thats why
And what of the later councils?
Actually not really. First you need to evaluate how those who are heroes of the faith where venerated and honored by the Jews. Abraham, Moses, Elijah and David would fall under hyperdulia among the Jewish people, including during the time of Christ, and at no point did Christ reprimand His brethren for such veneration of their Saints. In fact one could easily make the case that He encouraged it, by Him also holding these men as worthy of veneration and emulation.I know but the Veneration to Mary is in all probability way outside what was first mentioned in the NT. It has grown massively in every way. I am not saying that is bad as i love Mary (Look at my sig).
You know what I am asking but I will lay it out here:
Do you consider those who adhere to councils later than Ephesus as heretics?
I can assure you the term "heretic" is not something I take personally....My DI called me worse than that....