The Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus wanted. It's humans that do bad things that
damage Her reputation.
damage Her reputation.
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No church or sect and denomination is perfect. Get the best of all and ignore the questionable.
Another list i found which brings up many things 'Invented', for wish of a better word, by the Catholic church. Can anyone defend this list?
Seems to be such a lot of things that the Catholic church have introduced that are not Biblical. Can the Church really say these are based on 'Tradition' or via the Holy Spirit? What basis have we of saying that in the Church?
As i said, this is being brought up as a way of me finding out more without a bias opinion being submitted if stuck in just a Catholic part of the forums. I am not after a slanging match with anyone and hope everyone keeps things civil and try to explain their views without any hard feelings etc.
OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ.
310 Wax Candles introduced in church
320 Veneration of angels and dead saints
375 The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted
394 The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus
431 Priests began to dress differently from the laity
500 Extreme Unction
526 The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great
593 The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ
The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1st Corinthians 14:9).
600 The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church.
(Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)
600 The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas.
This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope."
Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11).
Note: Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."
610 The kissing of the Pope's feet
It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9).
709 The Temporal power of the Popes
When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).
750 Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized
This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.
Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115).
788 Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized
850 The veneration of St. Joseph began
890 The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV
965 Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2).
995 Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed
Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible. (Read Matthew 15:10; 1st Corinthians 10:25; 1st Timothy 4:1-3).
998 The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.
The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Hebrews 7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).
The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII
Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Timothy 3:2,5, and 12; Matthew 8:14-15).
1079 The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans
The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13).
1090 The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion
1184 The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.
Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.
1190 The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year
By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; 1st Corinthians 11:26).
1215 Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council
The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9).
1215 The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius
So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24).
1220 The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia
Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John 5:39; 1st Timothy 3:15-17).
1229 The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk
It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism.
1287 The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance
The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matthew 26:27; 1st Corinthians 11:26-29).
1414 The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence
There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1).
1439 The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed
The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matthew 28:19-20; 26:26-28).
1439 The Ave Maria, part of the last
It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century.
1508
The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible
By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18).
1545 The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent
These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Revelation 22:8-9).
1546 The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles
True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Galatians 1:8).
1560 The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX
The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).
1834 In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility
This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18).
Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l — Total, 666.
1870 Pope Plus X, in the year 1907, condemned together with "Modernism", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church
Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.
In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God"
This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2: l-5).
In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary
1950
Good advise. I've been in a few churches/sects/denominations myself, and they were all imperfect.
Why didn't the Apostles mention Mary and to pray to her etc etc like we do now?
Didn't Paul say that Bishops should be married?
Why didn't the Apostles mention Mary and to pray to her etc etc like we do now?
Didn't Paul say that Bishops should be married?
Here are many unbiblical practices of the catholic church. So if you can see these errors for what they are then you need to know why many like me that were born and raised catholic left the catholic church and sought out bible based churches.I have often thought about this.
Has the Catholic Church become the church that Jesus wanted or not?
Has it grown into an ugly monster or not? Has it been true to the words of Jesus or has it gone its own way?
I am sometimes confused by these things. I have read so many good Catholic books and watched many good Catholic videos. I still keep asking myself the above questions.
How do we know the church has been heading in the right direction all these years? By the Holy Spirit? Through Tradition?
I see what the church has become and there are quite a few parts of it that i dont like. Maybe i will list them later.
Anyone else have the same questions?
Well partly because she was there to talk to. Remember both Christ and Paul mention Tradition, the things that will not be in Scripture (the Gospel yesterday remember):
JN 16:12-15
Jesus said to his disciples:
"I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth,
he will guide you to all truth.
He will not speak on his own,
but he will speak what he hears,
and will declare to you the things that are coming.
He will glorify me,
because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you.
Everything that the Father has is mine;
for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine
and declare it to you."
And Paul said (2 Thessalonians 2:15):
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.
Also you need to look at the Early Church Fathers and what they were teaching from Sacred Tradition. It seems your biggest concern is Sacred Tradition and it's validity. So my final advice to you, since the thread is moved, is investigate on your own who the Early Church Fathers are and what they taught. They were the recipients of Sacred Tradition, some from the Apostles themselves, and do not rely to heavily on the internet for sources. If you do be sure you follow the source trail back and do your own research. Also I recommend seeing if you can get the book Why Do Catholics Do That? By Kevin Orlin Johnson. It seems your questions could be aided by that book.
Unfortunately, they all claim to be the right way, not Jesus' way!
I have often thought about this.
Has the Catholic Church become the church that Jesus wanted or not?
Has it grown into an ugly monster or not? Has it been true to the words of Jesus or has it gone its own way?
I am sometimes confused by these things. I have read so many good Catholic books and watched many good Catholic videos. I still keep asking myself the above questions.
How do we know the church has been heading in the right direction all these years? By the Holy Spirit? Through Tradition?
I see what the church has become and there are quite a few parts of it that i dont like. Maybe i will list them later.
Anyone else have the same questions?
For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Jesus, Luke 12:2
Seek and ye shall find. antletems is a seeker.
I often think that the 'Church' that Jesus started was not about buildings or a pope or hierarchy like it is today.
I sometimes think that Jesus was purely on about the 'People' as the 'Church' not some organization or denomination.
Ok, the Catholic church say that Peter was the rock and on him the church was to be built. Could that be wrong? Could it be that Jesus was saying that it was on the faith such as Peters that he would build his church? On 'People' like Peter? Peter, the rock. Strong and with foundation. A solid faith to build on?
I look at all the things that the church have brought to the faithful since the early years and wonder is it because they have been handed down via 'Tradition' and not via a Biblical sense that the church could be in error?
There are a list of things that are not 'Biblical' in the Catholic doctrines / beliefs. Have they taken their own path instead of sticking to the original plan that Jesus implemented?
Thats some things to be going on with for now.
I will ask a Mod to move this thread so all can get involved.
Some have said about the early church fathers but even then how early is early? When did these 'Catholic' doctrines come into being?
I love being a Catholic but i have my reservations about quite a few things that dont add up or seem right!
Looking back to the time of the apostles there are lots of things now in the church that were not even mentioned during their lives! Ceremonies and doctrines that didnt exist then. Things that were not in the Bible.
I see a massive organization in the Catholic church that is very secretive, very wealthy and un Biblical in a lot of its doctrines! The more i think about these things the more i think the church is not what Jesus intended.
'WE' are the church! Not some organization!
The gates of hell would not prevail against His church! 'US', Is that the church Jesus was on about? Catholic church did not exist in those days.
I see priests bowing and kissing relics and i think that cannot be right!! This makes me feel uneasy.
I see the vast wealth of the church
I see the pomp and ceremony
I see the expense in Catholic 'garb' and buildings etc etc etc
I see the doctrines that have no Biblical backing
I see many things that seem to be 'invented' to suit the / my Catholic faith!
I am searching and praying that God will help me to find my way through these questions.
Sadly, the members of the church is what makes the church and not one man's opinion.I dont mind any view if it is allowed.