Salon Reveals the Left's Next Play, Normalization of Pedophilia

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Here's two:
Exodus 21:10
If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17
“If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him children, and if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the unloved, who is the firstborn, but he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the first fruits of his strength. The right of the firstborn is his.

here's a Scripture where the Lord told David He'd given all of Sauls wives to him:
2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

and then there were the Laws about marrying the women captured in battle:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14King James Version (KJV)
10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

I've found this to be a little helpful:

tulc(hopes it helps you also) :wave:

What was the design for marriage?

What did Jesus say?
 
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What has any of the above to do with "normalizing " pedophilia?

Nothing. That's why I didn't understand why a conservative brought it up in the first place. :wave:
tulc(wonders if this means the OP can now be discussed instead) :scratch:
 
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What was the design for marriage?

What did Jesus say?

I'm confused, did you want to discuss the OP or to go down these rabbit trails some more? You really can't have both of them. :wave:
tulc(will wait for your mind to be made up) ;)
 
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I don't condone paedophilia however I know a little bit about psychology.
It isn't about normalisation, the unfortunate fact is most paedophiles were abused themselves by children and have felt helpless when it came to breaking the chain of abuse.
I also know a bit about psychology. I have not heard that to be true. Do you have a site or a paper I could read about that?
Now, I want to be CLEAR about the separation here. Victims of childhood sexual abuse tend to be perpetrators of that abuse BUT that doesn't NECESSARILY make them a paedophilia as those kind of incidents have MORE to do with power and control than an amorous attraction to younger children.

This can be sorted often through therapy but the process is incredibly difficult.
The best thing they can get when in prison is a lot of therapy to help threm through things and back perhaps into normality.
 
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Here's two:
Exodus 21:10
If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17
“If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him children, and if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the unloved, who is the firstborn, but he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the first fruits of his strength. The right of the firstborn is his.

here's a Scripture where the Lord told David He'd given all of Sauls wives to him:
2 Samuel 12:8
And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

and then there were the Laws about marrying the women captured in battle:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14King James Version (KJV)
10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

I've found this to be a little helpful:

tulc(hopes it helps you also) :wave:
So tell us how anything you posted is accurate in any way when God has said from the beginning a marriage consists of 1 man and 1 woman.


WIFE NOT WIVES

Genesis 2: 23 - 25
23 Then the man said, This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman, because she was taken out of the man.
24 Therefore shall man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and they were not ashamed.

Matthew 19:4-5
4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
5.And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Mark 10:6-7
6. But at the beginning of the creation God made them male and female:
7.For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;


Ephesians 5:31
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 11:11
Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Leviticus 21:13
And he shall take a wife in her virginity.

Proverbs 18:22
Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

Proverbs 19:14
House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.


1 Cor 7:4-7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me, It were good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband give unto the wife due benevolence, and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4 The wife hath not the power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not the power of his own body, but the wife.

1 Corinthians 7:10
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

1 Corinthians 7:33
But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Ephesians 5:33
Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Titus 1:6
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


And rape and/or adultery for any reason is a death sentence?


Adultery

Deu 22:22 ¶ If a man be found lying with a woman married to a man, then they shall die even both twain: to wit, the man that lay with the wife, and the wife: so thou shalt put away evil from Israel.

23 ¶ If a maid be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the town and lie with her,

24 Then shall ye bring them both out unto the gates of the same city, and shall stone them with stones to death: the maid because she cried not, being in the city, and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

25 ¶ But if a man find a betrothed maid in the field and force her, and lie with her, then the man that lay with her, shall die alone:

26 And unto the maid thou shalt do nothing, because there is in the maid no cause of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor and woundeth him to death, so is this matter.

27 For he found her in the fields: the betrothed maid cried, and there was no man to succor her.

28 ¶ If a man find a maid that is not betrothed, and take her, and lie with her, and they be found,

29 Then the man that lay with her, shall give unto the maid’s father fifty shekels of silver: and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her: he can not put her away all his life.

30 ¶ No man shall take his father’s wife, nor shall uncover his father’s skirt.
 
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I also know a bit about psychology. I have not heard that to be true. Do you have a site or a paper I could read about that?
Now, I want to be CLEAR about the separation here. Victims of childhood sexual abuse tend to be perpetrators of that abuse BUT that doesn't NECESSARILY make them a paedophilia as those kind of incidents have MORE to do with power and control than an amorous attraction to younger children.

this might have some answers
ay use the cycle of abuse as a legitimate argument to explain ...
Cycle of child sexual abuse: links between being a victim and ...
bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482
 
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This reply is based on what's on the first page of this topic.

how bout replying to the points made and question asked?

I've been disappointed with what I've seen as it relates to some Christians' ability or desire to engage. We're called to be light and salt but the vast majority of Christians involved with media seem to use fire and vinegar. That's not the way to accomplish anything but a false sense of satisfaction. Unfortunately it's far more easy to attack and destroy than to encourage and be helpful.

We, the body of Christ, are terribly unprepared and most of us don't seem to be interested in growth, but in being "right". Addressing an opposing point in a gracious manner that invites dialogue and growth is something I'm pretty much convinced our culture hasn't the foggiest idea of how to do. It's terrible but it doesn't look like the Church knows how or cares to do it either. I hope that those who take our calling seriously won't give up even though it can feel like just beating our heads against a wall. Thanks to tulc and imind for your character.
 
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It's cute how the OP uses such a great big brush to imply everyone who's on the left as being in support of this. :D
tulc(simply adorable!) :wave:
Specifically, what makes you say that from the OP? Please quote where that was implied.
 
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It might not be so boring to you if people were implying you were interested in making pedophilia legal. :wave:
tulc(just a thought) :)
Where is that being implied? Or are you just up to your usual tricks?
 
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I don't doubt that there are pedophiles who are going to advance this argument. I do question if it is "the Left's Next Play." If it is, and if "the left-wing website Salon just released a stomach-turning video attempting to normalize pedophilia," why is the link that is provided to a conservative website rather than directly to the primary source of Salon themselves?

It's been in the progressive Left's playbook for years.
 
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Isn't it a fact that the left continues to attempt the "normalize" homosexuality? So the next step would be to "normalize" another perversion like pedophilia?
No, BornAgainChristian, it's not a fact. It's an opinion.
 
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This reply is based on what's on the first page of this topic.



I've been disappointed with what I've seen as it relates to some Christians' ability or desire to engage. We're called to be light and salt but the vast majority of Christians involved with media seem to use fire and vinegar. That's not the way to accomplish anything but a false sense of satisfaction. Unfortunately it's far more easy to attack and destroy than to encourage and be helpful.

We, the body of Christ, are terribly unprepared and most of us don't seem to be interested in growth, but in being "right". Addressing an opposing point in a gracious manner that invites dialogue and growth is something I'm pretty much convinced our culture hasn't the foggiest idea of how to do. It's terrible but it doesn't look like the Church knows how or cares to do it either. I hope that those who take our calling seriously won't give up even though it can feel like just beating our heads against a wall. Thanks to tulc and imind for your character.

I guess I will start using annoying emoticons to build more "character " in my replies.
 
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No, BornAgainChristian, it's not a fact. It's an opinion.
No a valid observation. Salon exhibit 1. See the article in the ACLU defending NAMBLA.

Observations which are facts.
 
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How is that taking a shot at Catholics? The Roman Catholic Church has had problems with pedophilia. I don't think this is anything that Catholics themselves even try to deny. They admit it and have set up various committees and published new guidelines to deal with it. It's a statement of fact, not a 'shot', and anyway the point of bringing it up isn't to take a shot at anyone, but to say that if an institution as (relatively) conservative on matters of morals can have such a problem, then I don't think such problems can be said to be unique to "the left" (a designation which doesn't even make sense outside of the USA anyway).

Dzheremi, I am a big fan of your posts as was the founder of our club. I agree the Romans had a problem with paedophilia; I also believe they addressed those problems. Might I suggest that, given the current very cordial relationship between Pope Tawadros II and Pope Francis that we pray for all of those affected and move on?

A (schismatic) branch of my own church, the Holy Transfiguration Monastery, had a major incident which led to them being expelled from ROCOR and going into schism, where basically, the abbot had been sexually abusing novices. Not children, but I think he might well have if he had the chance.

Also, in the Coptic Church there was a major scandal last year over a convert bishop who turned out to be gay and had secretly married a young deacon.

Homosexuality is a horrible sin, and all traditional churches have to zealously guard against it, because even where we have married priests, many men are bisexual, and we have altar boys, and we need to protect them.

The website Wartburg Watch by the way has been documenting a sex abuse scandal in the SBC which they claim is as bad as the Roman Catholic one.
 
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A society that says it is OKAY for a genetically born male to go into the locker rooms, showers and bathrooms of women because he "feels like a woman", a society that redefines marriage as not just the union of a man and a woman but, includes the union of 2 women or 2 men to each other is capable of accepting anything.

and it eventually will
 
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It's doubly cute to complain about someone "breaking a CF rule" and then to actually break a CF rule by claiming someone is a sock puppet. :D


uhmm...

could you point out where that headline said "some" or "a few" people on the left? :scratch:


You do understand the difference between making a claim "moving the goalpost and proving my point." and actually proving your claim, right? Because what I'm seeing is I showed you why I said what I said, and you then basically said "nuh uh!" and thought it answered my points. :wave:



That's good,because I didn't find it entertaining. He was speaking at a conservative sportsmen conference. and they seemed to like it. And since the headline seems to imply that what one group of people on the left may support all groups on the left support I thought the same was true of conservatives. How does that big brush taste now? :)

I remember several threads about it here on CF.
tulc(was also wondering who's sock puppet he was supposed to be?) :scratch:

Because you read into the headline and made assumptions on your own and then instead of addressing OP on point, you have continued to stray. You've yet to address the OP directly.
 
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