God's 7000 year Plan

ebedmelech said:

What we know of the number 7 from scripture, it indicates God's work and will...not His plan

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Saying that is purely your opinion and an assumption on your part.
Is the fact of the exact 2000 years from Adam to Abraham and another 2000 years to Christ; meaningless?
If you cared to look, you would soon find how many ECF's believed in the 7000 year plan, as well as many modern scholars. The 'seven day' period is used many times in the Bible as part of God's Plans. Genesis 7:4, Genesis 41:27, Joshua 6:4, plus the hundreds of other uses of the number seven. There are seven days of Appointed Mo'ed's, feasts of the Lord.
I understand your reluctance to believe that we are facing imminent dramatic change. This teaching is never found in the established Church's and to find it here is not easy to accept.
But the Lord will again Judge and punish the world, as He has done before, as sure as the sunrising. Psalms 5:1-6, 2 Peter 3:5-7

ebedmelech said:

if Christ told the disciples it was not for them to know...it's not for you to know either...but keep thinking you know.

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What I know is what the Bible tells me.
There are all the ages of the Patriarchs, when their first child was born, then the regnal years of the kings, etc.
Is all this info there for no particular reason? Is it of no significance they add up to exactly 4000 years from Adam to Christ?
I totally reject your comment above. It violates scripture: Amos 3:7, 2 Peter 1:19

ebedmelech said:

The first verse of Amos 1 tells you who the prophecy was to.

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Amos had his visions during the reign of King Uzziah. They were not fulfilled at that time and Israel still exists.

ebedmelech said:

I'm looking for Jesus.

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No ideas as to when? Despite Jesus giving us many clues as to the season.

ebedmelech said:

Jesus clues were to the disciples as to destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD Keras. One day you may catch on to that point.

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The Day that you will 'catch onto the point' of Bible prophecy, will be the Day it all happens.
What Jesus said to the disciples hasn't all been fulfilled yet. Luke 21:25-27 for example.
Did Nebuchadnezzar 'send fire' onto Damascus, Gaza, Tyre, Edom, Amman and Judah? No, he did not as the prophecy is clear; it will be the Lord who sends fire, on His Day of wrath, Amos 5:18-20, Amos 9:1-6

ebedmelech said:

If you understand the language of prophecy He did. Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Amos all spoke of it. Jeremiah 27 is pretty clear.

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I understand plain English. Jeremiah 27 is history and the Jews did return as per Jeremiah 27:22
But your denial that other prophecy has anything to do with our present situation, is quite wrong because making specific and unfulfilled statements about future events, as all the prophets do, just leaves you in the dark about God's plans for us.
Obviously the truth of God's 7000 year Plan, is unpalatable to you, the thought of soon to happen dramatic events is unacceptable and you scoff at such a silly idea.
Luke 21:34-36......I won't think your mind is dulled by dissipation or drunkenness, but maybe worldly cares make you unaware of the coming great Day and it will catch you like a trap......

Isaiah 10:17-27 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame which in one Day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars. The splendour of his forests and fields it will completely destroy, as suddenly as someone falling in a fit. Only a very few trees [righteous Jews] will be left. Jeremiah 12:14

On that Day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of Jacob will rely no more on foreign help, but without wavering, will truly rely on the Lord: the Holy One of Israel. A remnant of Jacob will return, to their Mighty God.
Israel, your people may be as many as the sands of the sea, but only a remnant will return. Destruction has been decreed, overwhelming and righteous. The Lord will carry out the destruction upon the whole Land.
Therefore, says the Lord, My people, dwellers in Zion, do not be afraid of foreigners, though they oppressed you. Very soon My anger against you will end and My wrath will be directed at them, as I have done in times past.
On that Day, the burden they laid on you will be removed and your yoke broken.

In one Day, the Lord will destroy His enemies by a CME sunstrike. This will be the Lord’s Day of vengeance and the Sixth Seal of Revelation. The Land of Greater Israel will be cleared and burned over. Ezekiel 20:47-48, Zephaniah 1:18, Jeremiah 4:26-28 On that Day, His righteous people will trust completely in the Lord. They will settle into a regenerated and prosperous Land. Ezekiel 36, Isaiah 35.

Ezekiel 34:11-31 For the Lord God says: “Now I will take thought for My sheep and search for them”. As a shepherd gathers his flock when they are lost, so I shall rescue them from all the places that they were scattered in a Day of cloud and darkness. I shall lead them out from the nations and gather them from all the places where they were scattered and bring them home to their own country.”
The pasture for My people is the Land of Israel. They will thrive and find rest there. I shall search for the lost, bandage the injured, strengthen the sick and give My flock the proper food.
Now, I shall judge between the fat sheep and the lean. You rams and goats have taken the best pastures and muddied the drinking water. Therefore I will save My flock and they will be ravaged no more. Zephaniah 3:1-8
I shall set over them My servant David he will care for them and will be their God. I shall make a covenant with them to ensure peace and prosperity. The Land will bear great crops of fruit and produce. When I rescue them from the power of their enemies, then they will know that I am the Lord.
Then they will know that I am with them and they are My people. You are My flock, that I feed and I am your God. Isaiah 62:1-5, Jeremiah 4:12-18, Hosea 3:1-5

His people found and rescued from wherever they are after the ‘Day of cloud and darkness” - another description of the Lord’s Day of vengeance. They are brought home to their heritage, the holy Land. All of His people, no matter what their health or age, will thrive and find rest. But first, they will be judged and those priests and leaders who have led their flock astray will not enter the Land. When His righteous people are rescued – then they will know that; “I am with them and you are My people”. Not yet as a visible Presence, until the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 14:11-16, Ezekiel 20:34-38

Jeremiah 33:6-9 & 14-16 Now, I shall bring healing and care for Judah and Israel and let them see lasting peace and security. I will restore their fortunes and rebuild them as they once were. I shall cleanse them of all wickedness and sin that they have committed and forgive all the evil deeds of rebellion against Me.
This city will bring Me renown and praise, when the nations hear of the good things that I bestow on her. They will be in awe and trembling at this.
The days are coming, says the Lord, when I shall bestow on Judah and Israel all the blessings I have promised them. In those days and at that time, I shall make a righteous branch spring from David’s line; he will maintain law and justice in the Land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will be undisturbed. This is the name it will be called: The Lord our Righteousness.

All the Lord’s true followers are healed, cleansed, forgiven and will live in peace and security. Jerusalem will become a city that will be admired and envied worldwide. The Lord says: “I will keep My promises to Israel and Judah. A leader from David’s line will appear”. Maybe Zerubabbel? Haggai 2:23, Jeremiah 30:21 Eventually it will be Jesus as King.

Hosea 6:1-3 Come, let us return to the Lord. He has wounded us, but He will heal us. After two days, He will revive us, on the third day He will raise us to live in His presence. Let us strive to know the Lord, whose coming is as sure as the sunrise. He will come to us like the spring rains that water the earth.

His people have been punished, but are now to be restored. Near the end of the two days [two thousand years since Christ came] there will be revival, His people will come back into the Land, and then on the third day they will live in His presence. That is: during the Millennium, after the Lord Jesus returns in His glory. Luke 13:32.


1 Corinthians 2:7-9 I speak God’s hidden wisdom, His secret purpose framed from the very beginning to bring us to our destined glory. None of the powers that rule the world know that wisdom. Scripture tells us of things beyond our seeing, beyond our hearing, beyond our imagining – all prepared by God for those who love Him. Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Updated to June 2016:
7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BCE

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE. [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year 586 BCE.

Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism. Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.
3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years.


June 2016.5 CE -29.5CE =1987 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

1987 + 4000 = 5987 years, is where we are now. 5987 + 13 = 6000 years

2016.5 CE + 13 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age. 4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam, next comes the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

7000 years is God’s decreed time for mankind.
Those who have been found worthy will go into eternity with God. Revelation 22:1-5

Straightshot said:

Agreed to an extent about the 7000 years

However, the Lord's time count is in prophetic equivalents .... and not western Julian.... 30 day months, 360 day years

This born out by the 70 weeks of years prophecy in Daniel 9

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A year is one revolution of the earth around the sun.
In ancient times that was 360 days, then a cosmic catastrophe happened at the time of the Exodus, many ancient records and legends tell about it, that caused the earth to slow its orbit to 365.24 days.
The prophesies in Daniel and Revelation are right, in that the year will again be 360 days, 12, 30 day months, after the cosmic events of the Sixth Seal. Isaiah 13:13 says the earth will be shaken out of its place......
BTW our calendar is Gregorian.

Straightshot said:

The western calendar is Julian

Regardless .... I want to see your documentation giving the evidence that the solar year used to be 360 days

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Just google: 360 day year. Plenty of evidence there of an original 360 day year, that unexpectedly changed circa 1493 BC.
It will go back to a 360 day year and the timing prophesies of Daniel and Revelation will come true.

C'mon SS, don't display your ignorance and intransigence so openly. We have the Gregorian calendar, the Eastern Orthodox church still uses the Julian calendar.

Julian calendar
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noun: Julian calendar

1. a calendar introduced by the authority of Julius Caesar in 46 BC, in which the year consisted of 365 days, every fourth year having 366 days. It was superseded by the Gregorian calendar, though it is still used by some Orthodox Churches. Dates in the Julian calendar are sometimes designated ‘Old Style’

What part of the USA do you come from? Backwoods Kentucky? Statements like you make in #137 just show your inability to accept correction and your one track mind that your beliefs are the only truths.

Straightshot said:

Bible prophecy is presented and must be measured by the 360 day lunar calendar year

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I have seen plenty of convoluted calculations by so called prophecy experts who do that. They are all wrong.
The incontrovertible fact is that a year is the exact time the earth orbits the sun and when prophecy says 'year', that is what it means.
As I have said, I believe from prophesies like Isaiah 13:13, that our orbit will be changed on the Day of the Lord's wrath. As that event will happen within the next 13 years, we should know all about it, not be in the dark as the wicked are destroyed. 1 Thessalonians 5:3-4 Are you?

THE 7000 YEAR PLAN OF GOD

6 Days of Creation = 6000 Years; 7th Day Sabbath (Rest) = 1000 Years (Millennium).

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and
as a watch in the night. Psalms 90:4
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the
Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in
them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath
day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

In Bereshith (Genesis) and Shemot (Exodus), we are told how God made all
things in six days, and on the Seventh Day (Shabbat-Sabbath) He ceased from His labour. Why did He do this? God set up the seven-day Divine Plan within which the Messianic Redemption would be fulfilled according to the promise made to the Patriarch Abraham:
In Abraham's "SEED" shall ALL the nations of the earth be Blessed. Genesis 22:18; Genesis 26:4

God foreknew precisely what He was going to accomplish before His Divine Plan of Redemption was commenced:
I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me,
DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, and from ancient times the THINGS THAT ARE NOT YET DONE, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executes My counsel from a far country: yea, I HAVE SPOKEN IT, I WILL ALSO BRING IT TO PASS; I HAVE PURPOSED IT, I WILL ALSO DO IT. Isaiah 46:8-11

Unto me, the most inferior of all saints, was this Grace given, that I should preach among the nations the unsearchable riches of the Messiah, and to enlighten all to the administration of THE MYSTERY WHICH HAS BEEN HIDDEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD BY GOD, who Created all things through Jesus Christ; according to THE DIVINE PLAN OF THE AGES which he purposed in Jesus, the Messiah, our Lord. Ephesians 3:8-11

God's Creation was to echo Redemption by defining a "day" as 1000 years.
From beginning to end, it was determined by God that mankind was to have only 6 "days" (6000 years) to live out his time on earth. On the Seventh Day, the "Day" of the Lord (Millennium), God Himself would intervene into human affairs and usher-in the Kingdom of God on the earth.
Ref: Tony Galli