Evidence for a Young Earth & that Man lived with Dinosaurs

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;)Ok, lets talk skulls and assumptions for a moment. Just thinking out loud here.
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The media likes to make Adam and Eve look like something like this:
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But what if Adam and Eve looked like this:

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or even

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We don't know what they looked like. If all the animals have changed over the years from their "created Kinds" (we see this in micro-evolution) (Gen 1:25) Then perhaps humans have done the same? God created Adam and Eve with built-in genetic variation for many types of humans. Just look around today for all the sizes and shapes.

Most likely, humans have changed as much as animals have. Even whole sub-groups of people could have gone extinct ( Neanderthals?) just as the animals have (as the giants did?)

So if we found some of these skulls today of an exotic extinct group of people what would their skulls look like?

*Plus can anyone tell me what a 930 year old human skull looks like? Perhaps one or more of these? Just saying.;)

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Many people assume many things when diving into this topic, but things might just be very different than what you have been told.
 
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Did early man really live to over 900 years? Is there any secular evidence that shows this as well?

Yes and Yes!

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-t...ver-900-years/

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The Bible teaches quite plainly that the early patriarchs often lived to be nearly 1,000 years old and even had children when they were several hundred years old!

“Methuseleh lived 900 years . . . but these stories you’re liable to read in the Bible, they ain’t necessarily so.”1

Along with American composer George Gershwin, many people find it difficult to believe that Methuselah lived to be 969 years old. Nevertheless, the Bible teaches quite plainly that the early patriarchs often lived to be nearly 1,000 years old and even had children when they were several hundred years old! Similar claims of long life spans are found in the secular literature of several ancient cultures (including the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Indians, and Chinese). But even a life span of nearly 1,000 years is sadly abbreviated when we consider that God initially created us to live forever. (ME: This is what heaven is right? Living forever!)

According to the Bible, God created the first humans—Adam and Eve—without sin and with the ability to live forever. God gave the first human couple everything they needed for their eternal health and happiness in the Garden of Eden; but He warned them not to eat fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil or they would die, as indeed would all their descendants after them (Genesis 2:16–17). When Satan’s deception prompted Eve to disobey this command and then Adam willfully disobeyed, their minds and bodies profoundly changed (Genesis 3). Not only did they become subject to death, but their firstborn child (Cain) became the world’s first murderer. Truly, the wages of sin is death, physically and spiritually. It is sobering to think that the Bible would have been only a few pages long—from creation to the fall into sin—were it not for the undeserved love of God who both promised and sent the Messiah to save us from sin and death (Genesis 3:15; Isaiah 25:8; Psalm 49:14–15; 1 John 5:13).

For 1,500 years after creation, men lived such long lives that most were either contemporaries of the first man, Adam, or personally knew someone who was! The ten patriarchs (excluding Enoch) who preceded the Great Flood lived an average of 912 years. Lamech died the youngest at the age of 777, and Methuselah lived to be the oldest at 969. See table 1.

Patriarch Age Bible Reference
1 Adam 930 Genesis 5:4
2 Seth 912 Genesis 5:8
3 Enosh 905 Genesis 5:11
4 Cainan 910 Genesis 5:14
5 Mahalalel 895 Genesis 5:17
6 Jared 962 Genesis 5:20
7 Enoch 365 (translated) Genesis 5:23
8 Methuselah 969 Genesis 5:27
9 Lamech 777 Genesis 5:31
10 Noah 950 Genesis 9:29


Methuselah

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Did early man really live to over 900 years? Is there any secular evidence that shows this as well?

Yes and Yes!

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-t...ver-900-years/

Snip>>>

The Bible teaches quite plainly that the early patriarchs often lived to be nearly 1,000 years old and even had children when they were several hundred years old!

“Methuseleh lived 900 years . . . but these stories you’re liable to read in the Bible, they ain’t necessarily so.”1

Along with American composer George Gershwin, many people find it difficult to believe that Methuselah lived to be 969 years old. Nevertheless, the Bible teaches quite plainly that the early patriarchs often lived to be nearly 1,000 years old and even had children when they were several hundred years old! Similar claims of long life spans are found in the secular literature of several ancient cultures (including the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Indians, and Chinese). But even a life span of nearly 1,000 years is sadly abbreviated when we consider that God initially created us to live forever. (ME: This is what heaven is right? Living forever!)

According to the Bible, God created the first humans—Adam and Eve—without sin and with the ability to live forever. God gave the first human couple everything they needed for their eternal health and happiness in the Garden of Eden; but He warned them not to eat fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil or they would die, as indeed would all their descendants after them (Genesis 2:16–17). When Satan’s deception prompted Eve to disobey this command and then Adam willfully disobeyed, their minds and bodies profoundly changed (Genesis 3). Not only did they become subject to death, but their firstborn child (Cain) became the world’s first murderer. Truly, the wages of sin is death, physically and spiritually. It is sobering to think that the Bible would have been only a few pages long—from creation to the fall into sin—were it not for the undeserved love of God who both promised and sent the Messiah to save us from sin and death (Genesis 3:15; Isaiah 25:8; Psalm 49:14–15; 1 John 5:13).

For 1,500 years after creation, men lived such long lives that most were either contemporaries of the first man, Adam, or personally knew someone who was! The ten patriarchs (excluding Enoch) who preceded the Great Flood lived an average of 912 years. Lamech died the youngest at the age of 777, and Methuselah lived to be the oldest at 969. See table 1.

Patriarch Age Bible Reference
1 Adam 930 Genesis 5:4
2 Seth 912 Genesis 5:8
3 Enosh 905 Genesis 5:11
4 Cainan 910 Genesis 5:14
5 Mahalalel 895 Genesis 5:17
6 Jared 962 Genesis 5:20
7 Enoch 365 (translated) Genesis 5:23
8 Methuselah 969 Genesis 5:27
9 Lamech 777 Genesis 5:31
10 Noah 950 Genesis 9:29


Methuselah

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AIG, however, is not a credible scientific source. If you want to go with it, that's your decision. But I don't trust it any further than I can throw it.
 
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Could an evolutionist offer me with a rational objective analysis of this piece of evidence? I'm curious on the honest interpretation evolutionists will provide if any at all.

Many strata laid down in rapid succession

Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over “480 million years,” while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/rock-layers/rock-layers-folded-not-fractured/
 
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Could an evolutionist offer me with a rational objective analysis of this piece of evidence? I'm curious on the honest interpretation evolutionists will provide if any at all.

Many strata laid down in rapid succession

Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over “480 million years,” while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/rock-layers/rock-layers-folded-not-fractured/

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Clearly "softer" mud, bent by tectonic movements before Lithification.
 
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Abstract

Low concentrations of the structural protein collagen have recently been reported in dinosaur fossils based primarily on mass spectrometric analyses of whole bone extracts. However, direct spectroscopic characterization of isolated fibrous bone tissues, a crucial test of hypotheses of biomolecular preservation over deep time, has not been performed. Here, we demonstrate that endogenous proteinaceous molecules are retained in a humerus from a Late Cretaceous mosasaur (an extinct giant marine lizard). In situ immunofluorescence of demineralized bone extracts shows reactivity to antibodies raised against type I collagen, and amino acid analyses of soluble proteins extracted from the bone exhibit a composition indicative of structural proteins or their breakdown products. These data are corroborated by synchrotron radiation-based infrared microspectroscopic studies demonstrating that amino acid containing matter is located in bone matrix fibrils that express imprints of the characteristic 67 nm D-periodicity typical of collagen. Moreover, the fibrils differ significantly in spectral signature from those of potential modern bacterial contaminants, such as biofilms and collagen-like proteins. Thus, the preservation of primary soft tissues and biomolecules is not limited to large-sized bones buried in fluvial sandstone environments, but also occurs in relatively small-sized skeletal elements deposited in marine sediments.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0019445

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Complete skeleton of a 15 foot Mosasaur: Clidastes propython.
 
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One simple but powerful evidence that man walked with Dinosaurs that many miss or overlook is simply this.

In the Creation sequence (Gen 1) animals were made on the 6th day.

ALL the animals. Not just some.

Scripture gives no further accounts of another creation sequence of a "separate" kind of animal aka "dinosaurs".

So man being created after this, logically would have seen all the creatures that preceded him, presumingly for naming (Gen. 2:20) This is logical and consistent with the text and also well within the realm of Gods power, no need to question it.

God created T-Rex's, Acrocanthosaurus, Achelousaurus, Gallimimus, the Coelacanth, Racoons, Rabbits and every other creature that walked and swam on the earth.

God did and does not believe in "dinosaurs". These are merely in the minds of men.

We clearly walked with these creatures.


* We carved caves and artefacts with their images.

* We passed down stories about "dragons" and terrifying sea creatures.

* The Bible mentions monstrous creatures.

* We have "living fossils" of the ones that survived until today.

* We have fresh tissue in multiple specimens of "fossils" that somehow survived for millions of years.



The evidence is clear...

The Man Walked with "dinosaurs"!

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Could an evolutionist offer me with a rational objective analysis of this piece of evidence?

It's always fair to ask for a response. Thanks, here it is:

Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example,....
(AIG Link)

Simply false. This sounds convincing to us only because we aren't geologists who understand rock, and our view is limited by the few rocks we've picked up on the surface. The reality is that rocks can indeed be bent under the earth, especially if heated to softness, if subjected to pressure, if bent slowly, etc.


Could an evolutionist offer me with a rational objective analysis of this piece of evidence? I'm curious on the honest interpretation evolutionists will provide if any at all.

While any geologist could give the same answer (which is obvious to any competent and honest geologist), here is one that is particularly useful because it is from a Christian standpoint.

https://geochristian.com/2009/10/06/six-bad-arguments-from-answers-in-genesis-part-6/
skip below the purple box for the full explanation.

Here is his shortened explanation:
I’ve read the AiG article, and it just doesn’t work.

The question is whether folds were formed when the rocks were solid or unconsolidated. Other Christian geologists I know have pointed out that Snelling uses selective evidence in his study, as other parts of the same layers show very clear signs of solid-state deformation.

The way to see how solid rocks can bend is to take rocks and put them in a press in an engineering laboratory and see how they behave under stress. That has been done many times, and indeed you can do all sorts of things to rocks by putting pressure on them. In Earth’s crust, this results in the folds and faults that make up much of the world’s major mountain belts. These rocks show many signs of solid-state deformation.

If one applies the same sorts of pressure to layers of unconsolidated sediments (sand, silt, clay, etc.) the results are very different. Instead of getting folded layers of rocks, one gets chaos, with blobs of material distorting and either sinking or rising, depending on density. This is called soft-sediment deformation, and is readily distinguishable in the field from solid-rock deformation.

What is observed on a massive scale in the Earth’s crust (with some exceptions) is deformation of solid rocks, not soft-sediment deformation. If the bulk of the sedimentary rocks were laid down by Noah’s flood (and the Bible does not say that they were) then soft-sediment deformation on a massive scale should be a dominant feature of the sedimentary rocks, and it isn’t.

The “all sediments must have been laid down rapidly and while being soft” argument is not consistent with laboratory and field studies, and should not be used as Christian apologetics.

With respect,
Kevin N (Christian geologist)

Please do see the figures, pictures, and other longer explanation material at the site.

The bottom line is that geologists have looked at the evidence. They have literally mountains of evidence from all over the world. They have tested ideas with lab experiments, calculations, millions of successful predictions, and so on. Geologists understand the rocks - how they form, how they behave, what they can and can't do, all based on the solid work of millions of experts. To ignore this when discussing rocks is either hopelessly naive & incompetent, - or blatantly dishonest.

Yet that's exactly what AIG did here. They hid the real explanation, instead giving an argument so delusional that even a freshman geologist would be able to see through it in a minute. They did so knowing that this would fool most regular people, lying again like they do so often. That's why this kind of lying hurts our Christian witness so much - because it's exactly what St. Augustine was talking about over 1,500 years ago, when he wrote:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn....If they find a Christian mistaken in a field in which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.

In Christ-

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There are lots of geologist who would disagree with what "Kevin N" stated ( dogmatically speaking). I think he says some truth there but he's missing some obvious observations. Rocks can bend a whole lot of ways. It's far more logical to assume however that the bent strata we see around the world was done while the sediment was relatively soft (operative word here):)

If a global flood did occur, we would expect to see various kinds ( stages) of bent strata, both harder and softer- we find this. Depending on where and what the sediment was made of and it proximity to tectonic movements, ( hydro plate theory) and when the folding started ( in relation to the stage of Lithification would determine allot of what we see.

"Soft" sediment will bend and not necessarily make chaos. Harder sediment will bend to. There are many stages from "mud" to "rock" Do you have any videos of these lab results on permanently hardened rock turning into these?

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Imagine this is soft mud.

What we see in the field can be nicely interpreted as post flood sediments, bending under various stressors of the flood mechanics. ( I.e tectonic plates shifting when the foundations of the deep broke open ( Gen )

 
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Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn....If they find a Christian mistaken in a field in which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.

I've seen this quote allot in these types of forums.

I don't think I've read a more ignorant, embarrassing quote in all my life.

Why would God give us "Holy scripture" and not the ability to understand it? Does that make any sense?

What gives man the ability or right to reinterpreted the evidence that Holy scripture clearly teaches ? ( I.e that a global flood occurred)

Since when does mans interpretation superseded the Word of God ? Maybe to a heathen, but to the Christian, the word of God is our baseline, our terms of reference, our foundation.

If a Christian is mistaken in an observation, in matters of say science, then we can reevaluate it and move on ( as all normal scientists and people do.) are we not allowed to make mistakes? I am to beleive by this statement that secular scientists are never wrong ? Lol

Are we to believe secular mens fables who refuse to bend a knee to the revelation of God ? Say it is not so!

Just because we make a mistake say in the world of science does NOT mean that we have all things wrong in the bible, what rubbish.

In Christ,

Paloma
 
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Ginkgo biloba-Living Fossil


Ginkgo biloba, known as ginkgo or as the maidenhair tree,[3] is the only living species in the division Ginkgophyta, all others being extinct. It is found in fossils dating back 270 million years. Native to China,[2] the tree is widely cultivated and was introduced early to human history. It has various uses in traditional medicine and as a source of food. The genus name Ginkgo is regarded as a misspelling of the Japanese gin kyo, "silver apricot".[4]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo_biloba

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Ok, imagine your walking in a thick jungle in the early earth...

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You turn a corner and in a clearing, you hear something, and see this!

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What are you going to do? Should you run? Hold your ground? Act big and try and scare it? Will it try and eat you?


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You just don't know do you? That's the point, we do not know how these creatures behaved in any degree. All we have are assumptions. They could have been scared-y-cats, scavengers, giant melon eaters, who knows!

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Can you tell how a creature behaved and what it ate from a skeleton?

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What if T-Rex Acted like this?!

 
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The Inca Stones, fact or fake? Read this for the whole story.

Conclusion after much study by By Dr. Dennis Swift, they are real and do indeed depict that man saw "dinosaurs".

http://livingdinos.com/2011/07/are-t...cs-under-fire/
The ica stones also depict heart transplants, brain transplants, telescopes, and dinosaurs -and also, inappropriate behavior with animals with dinosaurs, by those wicked, but advanced, men.
 
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