keras said in post 269:
Revelation 7:9 is an example of all the Lord's righteous people, by then in the holy Land . . .
Actually, it refers only to some of them before the throne of God in heaven (Revelation 7:9-17).
keras said in post 269:
I note in some other trans; Then they will learn that I am the Ever Living God. Or; Then they will acknowledge I am the Lord.
Note that such statements in themselves in no way require that the Lord will not have returned by that point.
keras said in post 269:
Psalms 83:17-18 Lord destroy now our enemies, let them be put to shame and perish. So that men may know that You alone are God over all the earth.
Psalms 83:17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHWH, art the most high over all the earth.
This can refer to after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-9).
keras said in post 269:
Ezekiel 28:24-26 And there shall never again be a pricking briar or a painful thorn for the House of Israel from their neighbours around them, but they will all learn that I am the Mighty Lord.
Thus says the Lord God: When I gather the Israelites from the nations, amongst whom they are now dispersed, and I have been reverenced by them in the sight of the Gentiles, they will live in My holy Land, the Land I promised to My servant, Jacob. They will dwell safely there, build houses and plant vineyards, yes, they will live there with confidence, after I have executed My Judgements upon all those who hate them. Thus, they will know that I am the Lord their God.
Ezekiel 28:24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them, that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.
26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God.
Ezekiel 28:24, in its context, can refer to the destruction of ancient Zidon (Ezekiel 28:21-23) and the other pagan cities and nations in the region of ancient Judah (as well as ancient Judah itself) by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC. Ezekiel 28:25-26 can then refer to Judah's subsequent return from the Babylonian Captivity.
keras said in post 269:
Ezekiel 39:21-29 I shall display My glory among the nations and all will see the Judgements I execute and My Hand laid upon them. So, from that Day, My people will know that I am their God.......When they come out of the nations and settle into all of the holy Land, they will serve as an example of My Holiness to many peoples. Then they will acknowledge that I am the Lord, their God, the One who sent them into exile among the nations, but also the One who brought them back to their Land and left none of them behind. No longer will I hide My Face from them, I who have poured out My Spirit on them.
Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
23 ¶And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Note that this can refer to after the millennium. For Ezekiel 39:22 won't be fulfilled until after the millennium and the subsequent Gog/Magog event (Revelation 20:7-10). For Ezekiel 39:22 means that near the end of the safe time of the future millennium (Ezekiel 38:11), the mortal Israelites living on the earth will have become complacent and backslidden away from God (Ezekiel 39:26,7). So, after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), as a punishment, God will let them be taken into captivity (Ezekiel 39:23-29) during the Gog/Magog time (Ezekiel 38:11-13). God will then bring judgment against Gog and Magog, and the mortal Israelites will return to being faithful to God (Ezekiel 39:21-29).
keras said in post 269:
Ezekiel 37:13-14 You, My people, will know that I am the Lord, when I bring you up from your [spiritual] graves. Them. I shall put My Spirit into you and you will live [a complete life] and I will place you in your own Land, Thus you will know that I, the Lord God have spoken it and have performed it. This is the Word of the Lord. KJV, NKJV, CJB, NIV, REB.
Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
In the full context of Ezekiel 37, the resurrection described in verse 10 could refer to the political rebirth of Israel after its Babylonian Captivity. For Ezekiel 37:11 is referring to Israel in the time of Ezekiel, when it was in the Babylonian Captivity. The dry bones would then represent the loss of Israel's hope during that time (Ezekiel 37:11).
The "army" in Ezekiel 37:10 may not be literal in the sense of a military force sent out to attack or defend some territory, but could simply be a figurative way of expressing the size of the multitude of people seen by Ezekiel in his vision, like, for example, someone could say "There is a whole army of ants in the kitchen", meaning that there is a huge number of ants.
While Ezekiel 37:11-12 could have been a metaphor for Israel in its Babylonian Captivity, and then its return to the land of Israel after that captivity (Ezra 2:1), at the same time Ezekiel 37:12-24 could also refer to the future, physical resurrection of the church, which will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:22-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). For the church is Israel (e.g. Revelation 21:9b,12b).
keras said in post 269:
The story of the first Exodus will be eclipsed by the greater Second Exodus. Isaiah 11:11-16 . . .
Note that Isaiah 11:11-16, along with the preceding verse, Isaiah 11:10, can refer to Jesus' 2nd coming and the subsequent millennium.
In Isaiah 11:10, the original Hebrew word (nec: H5251) translated as "ensign" can mean a "sign". Compare Numbers 26:10, where some men who died a miraculous death became a "sign" (H5251) not to rebel against God. In the case of Isaiah 11:10, the sign is the person of Jesus Christ himself, who is the root of Jesse, and so the root of David (Revelation 22:16, Ruth 4:22b), and who at his return will serve as a physical sign of salvation for the nations (Isaiah 66:18-21, Micah 4:1-4), just he has always been the only way to salvation (John 14:6, John 3:36, Acts 4:12), proven by his miraculous rising from the dead (Romans 1:4-6). And Isaiah 11:10 is one of the verses which the apostle Paul quotes in his proof that God had always intended to save Gentiles as well as Jews (Romans 15:12, cf. Romans 9:24, Romans 3:29).
keras said in post 269:
Isaiah 51:11
This refers to the millennium.
keras said in post 269:
Isaiah 52:10-12
This, like Isaiah 52:8-9, won't happen until Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:3-21).
keras said in post 269:
Isaiah 66:18-21
This refers to the millennium.
keras said in post 269:
1 Chronicles 6:36-39
1 Chronicles 6:36 The son of Elkanah, the son of Joel, the son of Azariah, the son of Zephaniah,
37 The son of Tahath, the son of Assir, the son of Ebiasaph, the son of Korah,
38 The son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, the son of Israel.
39 And his brother Asaph, who stood on his right hand, even Asaph the son of Berachiah, the son of Shimea,
Was your reference a typo for 2 Chronicles 6:36-39? If so, note that the fulfillment of the latter would include the return of the Jews from their Babylonian Captivity.
keras said in post 269:
Psalms 68:19-27
Psalms 68:19-21 can refer to any time.
Psalms 68:22-27 can refer to Jesus' 2nd coming and the subsequent millennium.
keras said in post 269:
Isaiah 41:8-10
This, like Isaiah 41:11-20, can refer to the millennium.
keras said in post 269:
Isaiah 49:8-23
This can refer to the millennium.
keras said in post 269:
Jeremiah 23:3
This, like Jeremiah 23:4-8, can refer to the millennium.
keras said in post 269:
Jeremiah 46:27-28
This can refer to the new earth (Revelation 21:1-8). For not even during the preceding millennium (Revelation 20:4-6) will God "make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee" (Jeremiah 46:28). For they will continue to exist during the millennium (e.g. Zechariah 14:16-19, Revelation 20:7-9).
keras said in post 269:
Ezekiel 11:15-20
This, like Ezekiel 11:14, was addressing Ezekiel -- who was in captivity in Babylon at that time with other Israelites (Ezekiel 1:1-3) -- and can be referring to their (at that time) future return from the Babylonian Captivity.
keras said in post 269:
Ezekiel 36:8-12
Ezekiel chapters 36-37 could refer to a restoration of the Jews to their land during the future millennium.
keras said in post 269:
Hosea 11:8-11
Hosea 11:8 ¶How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.
9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger,
I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man;
the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into [can be depart from] the city.
10 They shall walk after the LORD:
he shall roar like a lion: when
he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.
11 They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.
This can refer to a restoration of the Jews to their land during the future millennium. For Hosea 11:9 refers to the preceding return of Jesus, when he will be physically in the midst of Israel, just as his roar in Hosea 11:10 brings to mind his 2nd-coming shout in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. In Hosea 11:9c, the original Hebrew word (bow: H0935) translated as "enter" can instead be translated as "depart" (cf. 2 Kings 10:12).
keras said in post 269:
Micah 2:12-13
This refers to a restoration of the Jews to their land after the 2nd coming of Jesus, who is the king and LORD in Micah 2:13b.
keras said in post 269:
Zechariah 10:6-12 I shall give victory to Judah and Joseph. I will restore them in My compassion...though still dispersed among the nations, from far off lands, they will remember Me...I shall lead them into the holy Land....their strength will be in the Lord, they will march proudly in His Name.
Consider this passage along with its immediately-preceding-context verse of Zechariah 10:5:
Zechariah 10:5 ¶And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the LORD is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.
6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.
7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD.
8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.
9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.
10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.
11 And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the sceptre of Egypt shall depart away.
12 And I will strengthen them in the LORD; and they shall walk up and down in his name, saith the LORD.
This can refer to Jesus' 2nd coming and the start of the millennium. For Zechariah 10:5 says "the LORD is with them". And the fighting of the Jews against their enemies in Zechariah 10:5-7 is the same as the post-2nd-coming (Zechariah 14:3-4) fighting of the Jews against their enemies in Zechariah 14:14.
keras said in post 269:
Jeremiah 23:7-8...the time is coming when people will no longer swear: By the life of the Lord who brought Israelites up from Egypt. Instead they will swear: By the life of the Lord who brought the descendants of the Israelites out of all the lands to which He had dispersed them and they will again live in their own Land.
Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
This can refer to the millennium.
keras said in post 269:
These prophesies all fit the great gathering of the righteous nation that Jesus referred to in Matthew 21:43 . . .
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 21:43 is addressing unbelieving, non-elect Jews, whom God doesn't consider to be the true Israel (Romans 9:6-24), or true Jews (Romans 2:28-29, Philippians 3:3), or true children of Abraham or of God, but the children of Satan (John 8:39-47, Revelation 3:9, Revelation 2:9b), just as all the non-elect, no matter whether they are Jews or Gentiles, are considered by God to be the children of Satan (Matthew 13:38-42, cf. 1 John 3:8-10).
The nation in Matthew 21:43b is the church (1 Peter 2:9), which includes both believing Jews and believing Gentiles (1 Corinthians 12:13). And this nation will come to include those elect Jews who won't get saved until Jesus' 2nd coming (Romans 11:25-29).
That is, in Romans 11:25, the Gentiles are genetic Gentiles, the people addressed throughout Romans 11:13-31, who aren't genetic Jews like Paul the apostle (Romans 11:1,14). Both individual genetic Jewish believers (natural branches) and individual genetic Gentile believers (engrafted wild branches) are branches in the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24). For when Gentiles become believers they "come in" (Romans 11:25) to be part of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29). The fruit of each individual branch would be the good works of each individual (Colossians 1:10). It is the genetic Jews who are "blind in part", meaning that some (in the sense of not all) of them are spiritually blind while others aren't (Romans 11:7-10). For "blindness in part is happened to Israel" (Romans 11:25) in its genetic sense (Romans 11:1,14), that is, genetic Jews (Acts 22:3). Also, in Romans 11:25-26, "Israel" includes elect genetic Jews who aren't yet believers (Romans 11:28), but who will become believers eventually (Romans 11:26).
When Paul says "until the fulness (pleroma) of the Gentiles be come in" (Romans 11:25), he means until a full number of genetic Gentile individuals have become saved, which won't happen until near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Romans 11:26), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30), just as Luke 21:24 shows that "the times of the Gentiles" won't be "fulfilled (pleroo)" until the completion of the treading down of Jerusalem during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 11:2b, Revelation 13:5-18), during the 2nd half of the tribulation.
Immediately after the tribulation, when the whole world will see the amazing return of Jesus himself (Matthew 24:29-30, Revelation 1:7), all the still-living, unsaved,
elect genetic Jews will be ashamed, and will all weep and become saved when they see Jesus and realize that he truly is their salvation (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:26-29). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, just as when genetic Jews believe in Jesus now they become part of the church. For now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).
And the genetic Jews who will become believers at the 2nd coming will all become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit, who is "the spirit of grace and of supplications" in Zechariah 12:10 (Hebrews 10:29c, Romans 8:26), just as genetic Jewish believers today become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit. For it is by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit that both genetic Jewish believers and genetic Gentile believers become part of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13).
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Also, if the genetic Jews who will become saved at the 2nd coming had been religious Jews, they won't continue to mistakenly try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, because they will then be believers in the truth that on Jesus' Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was completely and forever abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the 2nd covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).
All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and shouldn't keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21), or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).
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Also, the fullness of the Gentiles coming in during the tribulation doesn't mean that no Gentiles will be added to the church during the subsequent millennium, because they will be (Isaiah 66:19-20). For "fullness" doesn't have to mean "no more after that". For example, even after a cup has been filled with wine, more wine can be added to it, so that the "cup runneth over" (Psalms 23:5b). Also, it doesn't matter that the new believers during the millennium will be added to the church/bride (cf. Ephesians 4:4-6, Ephesians 5:30-32) after the marriage occurred at the 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7). For as many husbands have discovered, a bride can increase in size sometime after her wedding.
keras said in post 269:
. . . and is described in Isaiah 62:1-12
Isaiah 62:1-5,8-12 refers to the future time of the millennium (Micah 4:1-8, Isaiah 2:1-3).
Regarding Isaiah 62:6-7, note that even today, both Christians and Jews can go up onto the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem and pray to God, until he makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth (Isaiah 62:6-7, Micah 4:1-7).
keras said in post 269:
It will happen before Jesus physically Return . . .
Note that the only gathering to Israel before Jesus' 2nd coming could be the past gathering of the Jews in 1948 AD.
That is, Matthew 24:34 could mean that the temporal generation which would see the 1948 AD reestablishment of Israel, which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32-34; cf. Matthew 21:19,43, Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9), won't pass, i.e. won't die off completely, until the future tribulation and 2nd coming of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 19 are fulfilled. A temporal generation may not pass until 70 or 80 years (Psalms 90:10), or 120 years (Genesis 6:3).
This doesn't require that the 2nd coming will occur right before, like one year before, that generation will pass: i.e. 69, or 79, or 119 years after 1948: in 2017, 2027, or 2067. And if the tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming and rapture (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) will last 7 years (Daniel 9:27), the tribulation's 1st year didn't have to be in 2011, and won't have to be in 2021 or 2061, but could be in a future year (e.g. 2020) earlier than 2021.
Matthew 24:34 could also include the meaning that the figurative, all-times generation of the elect (Matthew 24:22, Luke 16:8b; 1 Peter 2:9, Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4) won't pass away from the earth during the future tribulation of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 18, but that some of the elect will survive (Matthew 24:22) until Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).
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The rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32) can refer to the 1948 reestablishment of Israel, just as Jesus' cursing of the literal, fruitless fig tree (Matthew 21:19) foreshadowed his curse on the part of Old Covenant Israel which rejected him (Matthew 21:43), for a fig tree can represent Israel (Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9). And the Israel which was reestablished in 1948 is the same Old Covenant Israel which Jesus cursed at his 1st coming, insofar as it still rejects Jesus and still considers itself to be under the Old Covenant. This Israel merely "putting forth leaves" again (Matthew 24:32) in 1948 was nothing more than a restoration to what the fig tree in Matthew 21:19,43 had been before it was cursed by Jesus and then destroyed in 70 AD: a tree with leaves, but without any fruit. And the unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel which was reestablished in 1948 may never bear fruit. For it could be destroyed before Jesus' 2nd coming, during a future war, by a Baathist army, just as it had been destroyed in 70 AD by a Roman army.
But Jesus' kingdom is still called "Israel" (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). And at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7), and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the still-living, unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living, unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, for now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).
After Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which time the Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the physically resurrected church will reign on the earth with Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).
keras said in post 269:
It will happen before Jesus physically Returns, because they must prepare the world for that event.
Note that the world will in no way be prepared for Jesus' return (e.g. Matthew 24:38-39).