Why Mormons Leave

ToBeLoved said:

The only reason for their faith to exist is if all of Christianity were apostates. They can never back down on that one.

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Without Christianity, their faith doesn't even exist. Hopefully they know that.

SeekerOfChrist94 said:

The Bible talks about a future apostasy which is happening in our generation, false prophets rising up, individuals falling away, not the entire church body being wiped off the planet.

Hebrews 3:12
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Matthew 24:10-12
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons.

2 Peter 2:17
Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.

Matthew 15:7-9
You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

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I can see a situation where this has happened. Not adhering to sound doctrine. The tickling of the ears. Honoring God in talk but not in their hearts. Yup. The Bible said it would happen.

SeekerOfChrist94 said:

Without Christianity, their faith doesn't even exist. Hopefully they know that.

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That should be a huge red flag to them. That their faith cannot stand on it's own merits.

ToBeLoved said:

I can see a situation where this has happened. Not adhering to sound doctrine. The tickling of the ears. Honoring God in talk but not in their hearts. Yup. The Bible said it would happen.

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Godhood and planets definitely tickle their ears.

NYCGuy said:

I alluded to this idea before. This simply is untrue. Going by this logic, there is still an apostasy, because even after Joseph Smith's restoration (one among many in the history of Christianity), there have been many churches established within the LDS movement. Your logic simply does not work even within the Joseph Smith related churches.

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I can somewhat understand why LDS Mormons get confused by what looks like our "disunity" to them. Their church teaches the same weekly lessons throughout the world. To them, that's unity. Fine, if that's what they prefer. However, we don't. Is that so wrong? It wasn't long ago that the LDS was teaching different lessons every week either. But outside the LDS, despite all our many doctrinal "disturbances", we ALL, within EVERY Christian church, preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Quaker, Pentecostal, Non-denominational, Anglican, Evangelical, Eastern Orthodox, Apostolic -- you name it. We understand doctrine DOES NOT SAVE. Jesus does. He's above doctrinal differences. They don't get the freedom within that where each "sibling" can be different, having different gifts and abilities and interests, but they are still a very integral part of "the family of God". Doesn't mean we don't have a unifying presence or thinking, just because we are different. EVERYBODY is different! I like contemplative prayer. My best friend loves shouting her praises. So? We both still love Jesus and share the same Gospel with others. Yeah, we fight with each other sometimes. So what? Show me a family where nobody fights.

Mormons are always telling us to believe them about how they live. Why don't they believe... us, in return, when we say, yes, we may be different, but we are all ONE FAMILY, united in Christ Jesus?

Not everyone knows which church denomination we go to on this forum. Yet we are all united in Christ's love, while saying the same essential things to Mormons. Nobody cares who goes to which church either, although, I should be speaking for myself here. I don't think others will mind, however. So that mythical "disunity" is more often than not a figment of Mormon imagination and indoctrinational convenience.

What message is more important than God is love, Jesus saves, Jesus is Lord? Absolutely nothing.

tickingclocker said:

I can somewhat understand why LDS Mormons get confused by what looks like our "disunity" to them. Their church teaches the same weekly lessons throughout the world. To them, that's unity. Fine, if that's what they prefer. However, we don't. Is that so wrong? It wasn't long ago that the LDS was teaching different lessons every week either. But outside the LDS, despite all our many doctrinal "disturbances", we ALL, within EVERY Christian church, preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Quaker, Pentecostal, Non-denominational, Anglican, Evangelical, Eastern Orthodox, Apostolic -- you name it. We understand doctrine DOES NOT SAVE. Jesus does. He's above doctrinal differences. They don't get the freedom within that where each "sibling" can be different, having different gifts and abilities and interests, but they are still a very integral part of "the family of God". Doesn't mean we don't have a unifying presence or thinking, just because we are different. EVERYBODY is different! I like contemplative prayer. My best friend loves shouting her praises. So? We both still love Jesus and share the same Gospel with others. Yeah, we fight with each other sometimes. So what? Show me a family where nobody fights.

Mormons are always telling us to believe them about how they live. Why don't they believe... us, in return, when we say, yes, we may be different, but we are all ONE FAMILY in Christ Jesus?

What is more important than Jesus saves, God is love, Jesus is Lord? Nothing.

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They do not come up with this by themselves. These 'points' are taught to them right out. Christian demoninations, supposed un-unity, the Bible is not translated correctly. They have 'greater' knowledge than us, further revelation.

They do not want to see us as anything more than what they have been told. Then are saving every Christian from 33 AD thru today. That is a huge pat on the back.

Peter1000 said:

If you are talking about how many chances you have after the resurrection, then you are right. You are going to be judjed and you will go to heaven or you will be judjed and be damned. But whether you go to heaven or hell, you will live forever. You will not have eternal life, because that is life with God and Jesus, but you will live forever, and this is part of why hell will be so disasterous for your soul. You will be damned and lost forever.

The second death is not that you suffer death again, and never rise again, but it is being separated from God and Jesus for eternity. You will live forever, but you will not have Their presence to help you with your life. It is unthinkable.

Don't misunderstand our position, it can be as devestating as your position.

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So you mean that hell is "separation from God"---Is that the lowest "level" of heaven? This is confusing beyond confusing!! Where is it that these people who have not attained exaltation (which is eternal life) are, but are still living in "glorious" surroundings?? And how long do they live there if it is not for eternity??

mmksparbud said:

So you mean that hell is "separation from God"---Is that the lowest "level" of heaven? This is confusing beyond confusing!! Where is it that these people who have not attained exaltation (which is eternal life) are, but are still living in "glorious" surroundings?? And how long do they live there if it is not for eternity??

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There are kimgdoms of glory that we cannot comprehend how glorious they are. What we do know a little of is the lowest kingdom because It is the kingdom we now live in minus death evil and violence. It will be a very wonderful place to live but the higher kingdoms are beyond that.

fatboys said:

There are kimgdoms of glory that we cannot comprehend how glorious they are. What we do know a little of is the lowest kingdom because It is the kingdom we now live in minus death evil and violence. It will be a very wonderful place to live but the higher kingdoms are beyond that.

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Like I said then---if you mess up and don't do what you're supposed to do----so what---you still have it pretty good for eternity. So, unless you're really into being God and having sex with multiple wives populating other worlds---don't sweat it. Why would anyone leave that messsge for you either make it or you go to hell?

Phoebe Ann said:

It doesn't sound like you understand Mormonism. The Terrestrial, Telestial and outer darkness are separation from Heavenly Father. How many hells is that? Two of them are called kingdoms of glory. And yet those who don't have exaltation are said to be damned. To be damned means that you can't progress and can't have spirit children.

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I've had two children and millions of spirit children sounds highly overrated. Just sayin'

mmksparbud said:

Like I said then---if you mess up and don't do what you're supposed to do----so what---you still have it pretty good for eternity. So, unless you're really into being God and having sex with multiple wives populating other worlds---don't sweat it. Why would anyone leave that messsge for you either make it or you go to hell?

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The being pregnant for eternity and their men having many,many,many women doesn't sound all that good to me.

The men may have it good in their scenario, but the women are just another hammer to hit a nail.

ToBeLoved said:

They do not come up with this by themselves. These 'points' are taught to them right out. Christian demoninations, supposed un-unity, the Bible is not translated correctly. They have 'greater' knowledge than us, further revelation.

They do not want to see us as anything more than what they have been told. Then are saving every Christian from 33 AD thru today. That is a huge pat on the back.

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Well, they didn't save me. Jesus Christ saved me all by Himself.

tickingclocker said:

I can somewhat understand why LDS Mormons get confused by what looks like our "disunity" to them. Their church teaches the same weekly lessons throughout the world. To them, that's unity. Fine, if that's what they prefer. However, we don't. Is that so wrong? It wasn't long ago that the LDS was teaching different lessons every week either. But outside the LDS, despite all our many doctrinal "disturbances", we ALL, within EVERY Christian church, preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Quaker, Pentecostal, Non-denominational, Anglican, Evangelical, Eastern Orthodox, Apostolic -- you name it. We understand doctrine DOES NOT SAVE. Jesus does. He's above doctrinal differences. They don't get the freedom within that where each "sibling" can be different, having different gifts and abilities and interests, but they are still a very integral part of "the family of God". Doesn't mean we don't have a unifying presence or thinking, just because we are different. EVERYBODY is different! I like contemplative prayer. My best friend loves shouting her praises. So? We both still love Jesus and share the same Gospel with others. Yeah, we fight with each other sometimes. So what? Show me a family where nobody fights.

Mormons are always telling us to believe them about how they live. Why don't they believe... us, in return, when we say, yes, we may be different, but we are all ONE FAMILY, united in Christ Jesus?

What is more important than Jesus saves, God is love, Jesus is Lord? Absolutely nothing.

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Look you may all teach Jesus but your understanding is different. Many are the same but your teaching one part of the gospel. That's like throwing a life preserver to someone and then not telling them what to do with it. There is a saying that goes even if your on the right track you have to be going in the right direction.

fatboys said:

Look you may all teach Jesus but your understanding is different. Many are the same but your teaching one part of the gospel. That's like throwing a life preserver to someone and then not telling them what to do with it. There is a saying that goes even if your on the right track you have to be going in the right direction.

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Have you ever been a born-again Christian?

mmksparbud said:

Like I said then---if you mess up and don't do what you're supposed to do----so what---you still have it pretty good for eternity. So, unless you're really into being God and having sex with multiple wives populating other worlds---don't sweat it. Why would anyone leave that messsge for you either make it or you go to hell?

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Those in the lower kingdoms will know what they missed out on. They will have to face that reality for an eternity. That is hell.