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If I am in a dire need for help, would it be beneficial to fast in addition to my prayer, as told in scripture?

Several people told me, God can not love you anymore then he already does, and that my righteousness is based upon Christ's work not my own. I understand that.

I still believe we should fast and pray when in need, just like Jesus said, you could not cast this demon out because you didn't fast and pray. Simply prayer wasn't enough.

I would like to hear from my friends here
 

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Matthew 6:5-18

The Lord's Prayer
5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this:

“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.[a]
10 Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread,[c]
12 and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.[d]
14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Fasting

16 “And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
 
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Calvin’s Institutes Ch. 20 BK 3


4. Let the first rule of right prayer then be, to have our heart and mind framed as becomes those who are entering into converse with God. This we shall accomplish in regard to the mind, if, laying aside carnal thoughts and cares which might interfere with the direct and pure contemplation of God, it not only be wholly intent on prayer, but also, as far as possible, be borne and raised above itself. I do not here insist on a mind so disengaged as to feel none of the gnawings of anxiety; on the contrary, it is by much anxiety that the fervor of prayer is inflamed. Thus we see that the holy servants of God betray great anguish, not to say solicitude, when they cause the voice of complaint to ascend to the Lord from the deep abyss and the jaws of death. What I say is, that all foreign and extraneous cares must be dispelled by which the mind might be driven to and fro in vague suspense, be drawn down from heaven, and kept groveling on the earth. When I say it must be raised above itself, I mean that it must not bring into the presence of God any of those things which our blind and stupid reason is wont to devise, nor keep itself confined within the little measure of its own vanity, but rise to a purity worthy of God.


6. Another rule of prayer is, that in asking we must always truly feel our wants, and seriously considering that we need all the things which we ask, accompany the prayer with a sincere, nay, ardent desire of obtaining them. Many repeat prayers in a perfunctory manner from a set form, as if they were performing a task to God, and though they confess that this is a necessary remedy for the evils of their condition, because it were fatal to be left without the divine aid which they implore, it still appears that they perform the duty from custom, because their minds are meanwhile cold, and they ponder not what they ask. A general and confused feeling of their necessity leads them to pray, but it does not make them solicitous as in a matter of present consequence, that they may obtain the supply of their need. Moreover, can we suppose anything more hateful or even more execrable to God than this fiction of asking the pardon of sins, while he who asks at the very time either thinks that he is not a sinner, or, at least, is not thinking that he is a sinner; in other words, a fiction by which God is plainly held in derision? But mankind, as I have lately said, are full of depravity, so that in the way of perfunctory service they often ask many things of God which they think come to them without his beneficence, or from some other quarter, or are already certainly in their possession. There is another fault which seems less heinous, but is not to be tolerated. Some murmur out prayers without meditation, their only principle being that God is to be propitiated by prayer. Believers ought to be specially on their guard never to appear in the presence of God with the intention of presenting a request unless they are under some serious impression, and are, at the same time, desirous to obtain it. Nay, although in these things which we ask only for the glory of God, we seem not at first sight to consult for our necessity, yet we ought not to ask with less fervor and vehemence of desire. For instance, when we pray that his name be hallowed–that hallowing must, so to speak, be earnestly hungered and thirsted after.


8. The third rule to be added is: that he who comes into the presence of God to pray must divest himself of all vainglorious thoughts, lay aside all idea of worth; in short, discard all self- confidence, humbly giving God the whole glory, lest by arrogating any thing, however little, to himself, vain pride cause him to turn away his face. Of this submission, which casts down all haughtiness, we have numerous examples in the servants of God. The holier they are, the more humbly they prostrate themselves when they come into the presence of the Lord. Thus Daniel, on whom the Lord himself bestowed such high commendation, says, “We do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousness but for thy great mercies. O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.” This he does not indirectly in the usual manner, as if he were one of the individuals in a crowd: he rather confesses his guilt apart, and as a suppliant betaking himself to the asylum of pardon, he distinctly declares that he was confessing his own sin, and the sin of his people Israel (Dan. 9:18ñ20). David also sets us an example of this humility: “Enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified,” (Psalm 143:2). In like manner, Isaiah prays, “Behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. But now, O Lord, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. Be not wroth very sore, O Lord, neither remember iniquity for ever: Behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.” (Isa. 64:5ñ9). You see how they put no confidence in any thing but this: considering that they are the Lord’s, they despair not of being the objects of his care. In the same way, Jeremiah says, “O Lord, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name’s sake,” (Jer. 14:7). For it was most truly and piously written by the uncertain author (whoever he may have been) that wrote the book which is attributed to the prophet Baruch,46[6] “But the soul that is greatly vexed, which goeth stooping and feeble, and the eyes that fail, and the hungry soul, will give thee praise and righteousness, O Lord. Therefore, we do not make our humble supplication before thee, O Lord our God, for the righteousness of our fathers, and of our kings.” “Hear, O Lord, and have mercy; for thou art merciful: and have pity upon us, because we have sinned before thee,” (Baruch 2:18, 19; 3:2).


11. The fourth rule of prayer is, that notwithstanding of our being thus abased and truly humbled, we should be animated to pray with the sure hope of succeeding. There is, indeed, an appearance of contradiction between the two things, between a sense of the just vengeance of God and firm confidence in his favour, and yet they are perfectly accordant, if it is the mere goodness of God that raises up those who are overwhelmed by their own sins. For, as we have formerly shown (chap. 3, sec. 1, 2) that repentance and faith go hand in hand, being united by an indissoluble tie, the one causing terror, the other joy, so in prayer they must both be present. This concurrence David expresses in a few words: “But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy, and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple,” (Ps. 5:7). Under the goodness of God he comprehends faith, at the same time not excluding fear; for not only does his majesty compel our reverence, but our own unworthiness also divests us of all pride and confidence, and keeps us in fear. The confidence of which I speak is not one which frees the mind from all anxiety, and soothes it with sweet and perfect rest; such rest is peculiar to those who, while all their affairs are flowing to a wish are annoyed by no care, stung with no regret, agitated by no fear. But the best stimulus which the saints have to prayer is when, in consequence of their own necessities, they feel the greatest disquietude, and are all but driven to despair, until faith seasonably comes to their aid; because in such straits the goodness of God so shines upon them, that while they groan, burdened by the weight of present calamities, and tormented with the fear of greater, they yet trust to this goodness, and in this way both lighten the difficulty of endurance, and take comfort in the hope of final deliverance. It is necessary therefore, that the prayer of the believer should be the result of both feelings, and exhibit the influence of both; namely, that while he groans under present and anxiously dreads new evils, he should, at the same times have recourse to God, not at all doubting that God is ready to stretch out a helping hand to him. For it is not easy to say how much God is irritated by our distrust, when we ask what we expect not of his goodness. Hence, nothing is more accordant to the nature of prayer than to lay it down as a fixed rule, that it is not to come forth at random, but is to follow in the footsteps of faith. To this principle Christ directs all of us in these words, “Therefore, I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them,” (Mark 11:24). The same thing he declares in another passage, “All things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive,” (Mt. 21:22). In accordance with this are the words of James, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering,” (James 1:5). He most aptly expresses the power of faith by opposing it to wavering. No less worthy of notice is his additional statement, that those who approach God with a doubting, hesitating mind, without feeling assured whether they are to be heard or not, gain nothing by their prayers. Such persons he compares to a wave of the sea, driven with the wind and tossed. Hence, in another passage he terms genuine prayer “the prayer of faith,” (James 5:15). Again, since God so often declares that he will give to every man according to his faith he intimates that we cannot obtain any thing without faith. In short, it is faith which obtains every thing that is granted to prayer. This is the meaning of Paul in the well known passage to which dull men give too little heed, “How then shall they call upon him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?” “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God,” (Rom. 10:14, 17). Gradually deducing the origin of prayer from faith, he distinctly maintains that God cannot be invoked sincerely except by those to whom, by the preaching of the Gospel, his mercy and willingness have been made known, nay, familiarly explained.


Institutes Ch. 12 BK 4:


15. The purpose of fasting


A holy and lawful fast has three ends in view. We use it either to mortify and subdue the flesh, that it may not wanton, or to prepare the better for prayer and holy meditation; or to give evidence of humbling ourselves before God, when we would confess our guilt before him.


The first end is not very often regarded in public fasting, because all have not the same bodily constitution, nor the same state of health, and hence it is more applicable to private fasting.


The second end is common to both, for this preparation for prayer is requisite for the whole Church, as well as for each individual member.


The same thing may be said of the third. For it sometimes happens that God smites a nation with war or pestilence, or some kind of calamity. In this common chastisement it behaves the whole people to plead guilty, and confess their guilt. Should the hand of the Lord strike any one in private, then the same thing is to be done by himself alone, or by his family. The thing, indeed, is properly a feeling of the mind. But when the mind is affected as it ought, it cannot but give vent to itself in external manifestation, especially when it tends to the common edification, that all, by openly confessing their sin, may render praise to the divine justice, and by their example mutually encourage each other.


16. Fasting and prayer

Hence fasting, as it is a sign of humiliation, has a more frequent use in public than among private individuals, although, as we have said, it is common to both. In regard, then, to the discipline of which we now treat, whenever supplication is to be made to God on any important occasion, it is befitting to appoint a period for fasting and prayer. Thus when the Christians of Antioch laid hands on Barnabas and Paul, that they might the better recommend their ministry, which was of so great importance, they joined fasting and prayer, (Acts 13: 3.) Thus these two apostles afterwards, when they appointed ministers to churches, were wont to use prayer and fasting, (Acts 14: 23.) In general, the only object which they had in fasting was to render themselves more alert and disencumbered for prayer. We certainly experience that after a full meal the mind does not so rise toward God as to be borne along by an earnest and fervent longing for prayer, and perseverance in prayer. In this sense is to be understood the saying of Luke concerning Anna, that she “served God with fastings and prayers, night and day,” (Luke 2: 37.) For he does not place the worship of God in fasting, but intimates that in this way the holy woman trained herself to assiduity in prayer. Such was the fast of Nehemiah, when with more intense zeal he prayed to God for the deliverance of his people, (Neh. 1: 4.) For this reason Paul says, that married believers do well to abstain for a season, (1 Cor. 7: 5,) that they may have greater freedom for prayer and fasting, when by joining prayer to fasting, by way of help, he reminds us it is of no importance in itself, save in so far as it refers to this end. Again, when in the same place he enjoins spouses to render due benevolence to each other, it is clear that he is not referring to daily prayers but prayers which require more than ordinary attention.


17. Fasting and the practice of penance

On the other hand, when pestilence begins to stalk abroad, or famine or war, or when any other disaster seems to impend over a province and people, (Esther 4: 16,) then also it is the duty of pastors to exhort the Church to fasting, that she may suppliantly deprecate the Lord’s anger. For when he makes danger appear, he declares that he is prepared and in a manner armed for vengeance. In like manner, therefore, as persons accused were anciently wont, in order to excite the commiseration of the judge, to humble themselves suppliantly with long beard, dishevelled hair, and coarse garments, so when we are charged before the divine tribunal, to deprecate his severity in humble raiment is equally for his glory and the public edification, and useful and salutary to ourselves. And that this was common among the Israelites we may infer from the words of Joel. For when he says, “Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly,” &c., (Joel 2: 15,) he speaks as of things received by common custom. A little before he had said that the people were to be tried for their wickedness, and that the day of judgement was at hand, and he had summoned them as criminals to plead their cause; then he exclaims that they should hasten to sackcloth and ashes, to weeping and fasting; that is humble themselves before God with external manifestations. The sackcloth and ashes, indeed, were perhaps more suitable for those times, but the assembly, and weeping and fasting, and the like, undoubtedly belong, in an equal degrees to our age, whenever the condition of our affairs so requires. For seeing it is a holy exercise both for men to humble themselves, and confess their humility, why should we in similar necessity use this less than did those of old? We read not only that the Israelitish Church, formed and constituted by the word of God, fasted in token of sadness, but the Ninevites also, whose only teaching had been the preaching of Jonah. Why, therefore should not we do the same?


But it is an external ceremony, which, like other ceremonies terminated in Christ. Nay, in the present day it is an admirable help to believers, as it always was, and a useful admonition to arouse them, lest by too great security and sloth they provoke the Lord more and more when they are chastened by his rod. Accordingly, when our Saviour excuses his apostles for not fasting, he does not say that fasting was abrogated, but reserves it for calamitous times, and conjoins it with mourning. “The days will come when the bridegroom shall be taken from them,” (Matth. 9: 35; Luke 5: 34.)


18. The nature of fasting

But that there may be no error in the name, let us define what fasting is; for we do not understand by it simply a restrained and sparing use of food, but something else. The life of the pious should be tempered with frugality and sobriety, so as to exhibit, as much as may be, a kind of fasting during the whole course of life. But there is another temporary fast, when we retrench somewhat from our accustomed mode of living, either for one day or a certain period, and prescribe to ourselves a stricter and severer restraint in the use of that ordinary food. This consists in three things, viz., the time, the quality of food, and the sparing use of it. By the time I mean, that while fasting we are to perform those actions for the sake of which the fast is instituted. For example, when a man fasts because of solemn prayer, he should engage in it without having taken food. The quality consists in putting all luxury aside, and, being contented with common and meaner food, so as not to excite our palate by dainties. In regard to quantity, we must eat more lightly and sparingly only for necessity and not for pleasure.


19. Misconceptions of fasting

But the first thing always to be avoided is, the encroachment of superstition, as formerly happened, to the great injury of the Church. It would have been much better to have had no fasting at all, than have it carefully observed, but at the same time corrupted by false and pernicious opinions into which the world is ever and anon falling unless pastors obviate them by the greatest fidelity and prudence.


The first thing is constantly to urge the injunction of Joel, “Rend your heart, and not your garments,” (Joel 2: 13 ) that is, to remind the people that fasting in itself is not of great value in the sight of God, unless accompanied with internal affection of the heart, true dissatisfaction with sin and with one’s self true humiliation, and true griefs from the fear of God; nay, that fasting is useful for no other reasons than because it is added to these as an inferior help. There is nothing which God more abominates than when men endeavour to cloak themselves by substituting signs and external appearance for integrity of heart. Accordingly, Isaiah inveighs most bitterly against the hypocrisy of the Jews in thinking that they had satisfied God when they had merely fasted, whatever might be the impiety and impure thoughts which they cherished in their hearts. “Is it such a fast that I have chosen?” (Isa. 58: 5.) See also what follows. The fast of hypocrites is, therefore, not only useless and superfluous fatigue, but the greatest abomination.


Another evil akin to this, and greatly to be avoided, is, to regard fasting as a meritorious work and species of divine worship. For seeing it is a thing which is in itself indifferent, and has no importance except on account of those ends to which it ought to have respect, it is a most pernicious superstition to confound it with the works enjoined by God, and which are necessary in themselves without reference to any thing else. Such was anciently the dream of the Manichees, in refuting whom Augustine clearly shows that fasting is to be estimated entirely by those ends which I have mentioned, and cannot be approved by God, unless in so far as it refers to them.


Another error, not indeed so impious, but perilous, is to exact it with greater strictness and severity as one of the principal duties, and extol it with such extravagant encomiums as to make men imagine that they have done something admirable when they have fasted. In this respect I dare not entirely excuse ancient writers from having sown some seeds of superstition, and given occasion to the tyranny which afterwards arose. We sometimes meet with sound and prudent sentiments on fasting, but we also ever and anon meet with extravagant praises, lauding it as one of the cardinal virtues.
 
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Great post JM,

I like this part about prayer:

To this principle Christ directs all of us in these words, “Therefore, I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them,” (Mark 11:24). The same thing he declares in another passage, “All things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive,” (Mt. 21:22). In accordance with this are the words of James, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering,” (James 1:5). He most aptly expresses the power of faith by opposing it to wavering. No less worthy of notice is his additional statement, that those who approach God with a doubting, hesitating mind, without feeling assured whether they are to be heard or not, gain nothing by their prayers. Such persons he compares to a wave of the sea, driven with the wind and tossed. Hence, in another passage he terms genuine prayer “the prayer of faith,” (James 5:15). Again, since God so often declares that he will give to every man according to his faith he intimates that we cannot obtain any thing without faith. In short, it is faith which obtains every thing that is granted to prayer.

But what about fasting for an urgent need?
 
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Pray....and fast.

Fasting is showing forth trust in God by action. It looks to the eventual (eschatological) end of sin in our bodies.

Whatever happened to a church deciding to fast? I'm all for it.
 
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If I am in a dire need for help, would it be beneficial to fast in addition to my prayer, as told in scripture?

Several people told me, God can not love you anymore then he already does, and that my righteousness is based upon Christ's work not my own. I understand that.

I still believe we should fast and pray when in need, just like Jesus said, you could not cast this demon out because you didn't fast and pray. Simply prayer wasn't enough.

I would like to hear from my friends here

People fast with prayer when seeking answers to hard problems. Jesus said yes you should fast. He said when the Groom is taken away in that day His disciples would fast. Jesus also said about fasting people do not pour new wine into old skins for they would break, but new wine is poured into new skins. The skins is what they use to use to hold wine. So fasting clears out the old, or empties a person out. The reason for this is so that being empty you are ready to be filled up by the Holy Spirit. Also in fasting you beginning to feel things more clearly, and also a person is refined by suffering. Often those in the Bible would fast to receive a message from God. This was the case at Pentecost when they fasted for a week, i think it was, and prayed, then they Received the Holy Spirit.

As far as the demon, what Jesus said is this is a demon who could only be cast out by fasting and prayer, and that is why they could not cast it out. That is bit different then they could not cast it out because they did not fast and pray. Fasting and prayer was the only way this demon could be cast out. It is good to fast and pray before any encounter with a demon, but you do not want to be fasting when taking on one, but want to be fully recovered from the fast. This is another reason why Jesus told them it had to be done that way, because it was not the normal way of doing it.

As far as your friends, I am not sure I fit this or not, but if you had certain people in mind you should have started a PM and included those you wanted to hear from, and not do a public post. Maybe that would serve you better in the future.
 
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People fast with prayer when seeking answers to hard problems. Jesus said yes you should fast. He said when the Groom is taken away in that day His disciples would fast. Jesus also said about fasting people do not pour new wine into old skins for they would break, but new wine is poured into new skins. The skins is what they use to use to hold wine. So fasting clears out the old, or empties a person out. The reason for this is so that being empty you are ready to be filled up by the Holy Spirit. Also in fasting you beginning to feel things more clearly, and also a person is refined by suffering. Often those in the Bible would fast to receive a message from God. This was the case at Pentecost when they fasted for a week, i think it was, and prayed, then they Received the Holy Spirit.

As far as the demon, what Jesus said is this is a demon who could only be cast out by fasting and prayer, and that is why they could not cast it out. That is bit different then they could not cast it out because they did not fast and pray. Fasting and prayer was the only way this demon could be cast out. It is good to fast and pray before any encounter with a demon, but you do not want to be fasting when taking on one, but want to be fully recovered from the fast. This is another reason why Jesus told them it had to be done that way, because it was not the normal way of doing it.

As far as your friends, I am not sure I fit this or not, but if you had certain people in mind you should have started a PM and included those you wanted to hear from, and not do a public post. Maybe that would serve you better in the future.

Great post Thanks blue

Your my friend on here too
 
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If I am in a dire need for help, would it be beneficial to fast in addition to my prayer, as told in scripture?

Several people told me, God can not love you anymore then he already does, and that my righteousness is based upon Christ's work not my own. I understand that.

I still believe we should fast and pray when in need, just like Jesus said, you could not cast this demon out because you didn't fast and pray. Simply prayer wasn't enough.

I would like to hear from my friends here

Yes , but I suggest fasting long enough to get weak , when we are weak he is strong .. But here's the thing for me anyway , after 3 days your body goes through detox and you might get a headache then you feel good and the hunger goes too at least easy to ignore , but then with a loss of energy your mind becomes clear, you won't hardly believe how much clutter and static's in your mind then it leaves .. You then can focus and your mind becomes clear as a bell .. You pray and read the bible and you hear God more clear than ever .. I've seen a few miracles and tore down a lot of spiritual strongholds .. I usually did my fasts starting Sunday evening ending next Sunday morning .. But it's been 10 or 12 years since my last big fast , oh , and only water .. I've had multiple problems including others problems clear up like a cloudy sky one instant and the next all clear .. I've had plenty people tell me 'they didn't know why they just lost the taste for alcohol or I don't know I just started eating right and lost all that weight .. Lots of insight , some visions , some intense worship and weeping , lot's of good stuff .. There's more .. When you go on a long fast , stay close to a bathroom after you break fast LOL
 
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In light of 4x4 post I thought I would add some things. There are different kinds of fast, the most strict is no water or food, which can only go a day or two and is dangerous, as any fast is. Then there is water, no food. Then juices, so you get sugar and vitamins and have energy but no food. Then there is water with no solid foods, i like to use honey in place of solid food. Then there is short fast just skipping one meal or two. With any fast where food is not taken in when you come back to eating you need soft foods. With fast that are days if you start eating the wrong kinds of foods such as meat right away you will make your self sick and can even die. I like to use hummus and some pita bread. Do not eat till full for at least a day, and small intake is best, or small meals but several of them. I also like what I call Bible fast where i only eat Biblical foods, such as milk and honey. Not sure this really counts as a fast but it is fun. Any way best of luck.
 
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If I am in a dire need for help, would it be beneficial to fast in addition to my prayer, as told in scripture?

Several people told me, God can not love you anymore then he already does, and that my righteousness is based upon Christ's work not my own. I understand that.

I still believe we should fast and pray when in need, just like Jesus said, you could not cast this demon out because you didn't fast and pray. Simply prayer wasn't enough.

I would like to hear from my friends here

The Bible talks about being declared righteous, or having right standing before God, and practicing or training in righteousness (1 John 3:10, 2 Timothy 3:16-17), which is the way that God wants those whom He has declared righteous to live by faith. For the righteous shall live by faith (Habakkuk 2:4), or in other words, the righteous live by trusting God to lead them into having a righteous conduct by obeying His instructions for how to do so. So doing what is righteous is not about causing God to love your more or about becoming more righteous or more holy, but rather it is about living by faith.
 
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There are three types of wills when serving God in Romans. Good acceptable and perfect will. Daily word and prayer is sufficient for the acceptable will of God. Fasting is even stronger communion with God which is closely to the perfect will as its not commanded in Scripture its going beyond your reasonable service as a living sacrifice for Christ

Wow, Never heard that before.
 
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Yes , but I suggest fasting long enough to get weak , when we are weak he is strong .. But here's the thing for me anyway , after 3 days your body goes through detox and you might get a headache then you feel good and the hunger goes too at least easy to ignore , but then with a loss of energy your mind becomes clear, you won't hardly believe how much clutter and static's in your mind then it leaves .. You then can focus and your mind becomes clear as a bell .. You pray and read the bible and you hear God more clear than ever .. I've seen a few miracles and tore down a lot of spiritual strongholds .. I usually did my fasts starting Sunday evening ending next Sunday morning .. But it's been 10 or 12 years since my last big fast , oh , and only water .. I've had multiple problems including others problems clear up like a cloudy sky one instant and the next all clear .. I've had plenty people tell me 'they didn't know why they just lost the taste for alcohol or I don't know I just started eating right and lost all that weight .. Lots of insight , some visions , some intense worship and weeping , lot's of good stuff .. There's more .. When you go on a long fast , stay close to a bathroom after you break fast LOL

Great post.

I did one extended fast once, and God answered my prayers.
 
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Fasting until you are weak is a fairly relative practice and one that I agree with. Just remember that some will only take 24 hours before they are weak and others days. For me, a 24 hour fast really does the trick....not to mention I do all the cooking in my house, the added temptation is unreal!

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PS: Chew gum (for bad breath due to fasting) and slowly reduce your caffeine before you fast.
 
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I have not personally fasted for the purpose of "enhancing" my prayers but I have competed in a number of endurance athletic events during which I consumed inadequate calories. Based on those experiences, and a few random thoughts, here are some ideas:

1. Caloric deficit rarely enhances one's cognitive or physical abilities. In reality, quite the opposite is true.
2. As @JM suggested, wean yourself off of any "addictive" foods or beverages. Going cold turkey is likely to have a negative effect on your ability to focus on God ... or anything else. (Never heard the gum chewing idea, but it seems like a good one.)
3. Be sure to stay hydrated - with water. Dehydration, combined with inadequate caloric intake, can really do a number on your body - as in an "end up in the hospital" number.
4. The human body can go as long as three weeks without food, but it's not a good thing and, again, you'll likely end up in the hospital.
 
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...I think Calvin nailed it. We need to humble ourselves before God and fasting seems to just flow from the knowledge of Jesus Christ and who He is. Humiliation is the key.

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noun: humiliation; plural noun: humiliations
the action of humiliating someone or the state of being humiliated.
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Just a kind warning...do not fast if you think it will bend God to your will. It doesn't. Pray and fasting are done to change us, not God. Do not fast for exceeding long periods of time and be sure to know your limits.
 
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Just a kind warning...do not fast if you think it will bend God to your will. It doesn't. Pray and fasting are done to change us, not God. Do not fast for exceeding long periods of time and be sure to know your limits.

I agree with you, but isn't/can't fasting be used when in dire need of God's help?

Esther had the Jews fast 3 days for help
 
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I view fasting the same way I view prayer and since Pink and Gill have said it better than I could ever hope I'll quote them. (Just substitute fasting for prayer and you'll get the gist.)

A. W. Pink, “…what is now being taught on the subject of prayer, and the deplorable thing is that scarcely a voice is lifted in protest. To say that “human destinies may be changed and moulded by the will of man” is rank infidelity—that is the only proper term for it. Should any one challenge this classification, we would ask them whether they can find an infidel anywhere who would dissent from such a statement, and we are confident that such an one could not be found. To say that “God has ordained that human destinies may be changed and moulded by the will of man”, is absolutely untrue. “Human destiny” is settled not by “the will of man,” but by the will of God. That which determines human destiny is whether or not a man has been born again, for it is written, “Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God”. And as to whose will, whether God’s or man’s, is responsible for the new birth is settled, unequivocally, by John 1:13—”Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but OF GOD”. To say that “human destiny” may be changed by the will of man, is to make the creature’s will supreme, and that is, virtually, to dethrone God. But what saith the Scriptures? Let the Book answer: “The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: He bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: He bringeth low, and lifteth up. He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory” (1 Sam. 2:6-8). Link

John Gill provides a proper theological background to prayer, “…it should be said that God’s will is immutable, and cannot be altered by our crying. When the mind of God is not toward a people to do them good, it cannot be turned to them by the most fervent and importunate prayers of those who have the greatest interest in Him—”Then said the Lord unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before Me, yet My mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of My sight, and let them go forth” (Jer. 15:1). The prayers of Moses to enter the promised land is a parallel case.

Our views respecting prayer need to be revised and brought into harmony with the teaching of Scripture on the subject. The prevailing idea seems to be, that I come to God and ask Him for something that I want, and that I expect Him to give me that which I have asked. But this is a most dishonoring and degrading conception. The popular belief reduces God to a servant, our servant: doing our bidding, performing our pleasure, granting our desires. No; prayer is a coming to God, telling Him my need, committing my way unto the Lord, and leaving Him to deal with it as seemeth Him best. This makes my will subject to His, instead of, as in the former case, seeking to bring His will into subjection to mine. No prayer is pleasing to God unless the spirit actuating it is, “not my will, but thine be done”.

“When God bestows blessings on a praying people, it is not for the sake of their prayers, as if He was inclined and turned by them; but it is for His own sake, and of His own sovereign will and pleasure. Should it be said, to what purpose then is prayer? it is answered, This is the way and means God has appointed, for the communication of the blessing of His goodness to His people. For though He has purposed, provided, and promised them, yet He will be sought unto, to give them, and it is a duty and privilege to ask. When they are blessed with a spirit of prayer, it forebodes well, and looks as if God intended to bestow the good things asked, which should be asked always with submission to the will of God, saying, Not my will but Thine be done

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As you can see prayer and fasting are meant to bring us into subjection to the will of God. It's a dying of self to the creator who is Sovereign over all, who is to be trusted and loved. We are to accept Christ's will, renew our minds to the revealed will of God in the scriptures by seeking to think God's thoughts after him. Does this mean we shouldn't pray or fast? Of course not. It simply means that God is Lord of Lords, King of Kings and to be given our faith and trust in humble thanksgiving.

Amen.

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I agree with you, but isn't/can't fasting be used when in dire need of God's help?

Esther had the Jews fast 3 days for help

Try it , but add witnessing , praying for the sick in Jesus name and see for yourself ..
 
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