Is there a Kundalini spirit in the charismatic church?

Razare said:

I also find all this very ironic. When I was a hindu and knew nothing about Pentecostals or the baptism of the Holy spirit or just being a Christian, I actively practiced kundalini witchcraft. And now that I'm a Christian baptized in the Holy Ghost, I got people calling me a practitioner of it!

How this teaching found its way in as an accusation against the church is beyond me. It's not a Christian teaching, it's a false teaching from another religion. How do you use a false teaching from another religion, as an accusation against someone in a different religion?

It's like accusing Christians of being Hindu or something. Sure, some might be secretly Hindu who are not truly Christian... but doctrine will reveal it very quickly. Ask someone how to be saved. If they get that answer wrong, who cares what false spirit they have because it's all 1 kingdom of the devil.

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You new here? Christians on these forums call each other Satan(ists) all the time. You will find the irony will get very mundane and repetitive after a while. Just saying...

tatteredsoul said:

I think that isntrue, but we still need to know who out enemy is, no? So that we aren't caught off guard by sweet sounding words and temptations.

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Knowing the enemy? he is one whose head is crushed at cross-heb2:14. he is defeated at cross-col2:15. he is thrown down-revel12:10 ........ want to know more brother?

Hope u get the point.

Si_monfaith said:

Knowing the enemy? he is one whose head is crushed at cross-heb2:14. he is defeated at cross-col2:15. he is thrown down-revel12:10 ........ want to know more brother?

Hope u get the point.

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No successful warrior goes into battle or a war without knowing the enemy. You need to know what tactics the enemy uses, the strategies, the weaponry, the terrain in which they practice and prosper, etc. Even thought Christ won the war for us, we are still battling. Otherwise, there would be no need for us to armor up spiritually. I am not talking about doing the things the enemy does to know them. I am talking about being cognizant of the things the enemy does to destroy us, and how these things work.

For example, a lot of people practice yoga thinking that it is just an exercise fad when, really, it is a very important religious aspect of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. One of my friends who devoutly practiced Hinduism was disgusted at how the Western world does yoga like it is calisthenics, without regard for its spiritual implications. The people who do this also don't realize its spiritual implications, and may even say, "oh its not religion because I'm just exercising." This is why you need to know your enemy; a great tactic of deception is to convince a party something that is incredibly dangerous isn't bad, or doesn't exist.

And, indeed there is information on the enemy in the bible canon - enough to protect one's self, but recall the bible is a canon, which is why the Holy Spirit needs to guide us. I am not saying you need practice what the enemy does, but selective knowledge of the enemy (on purpose) is dangerous.

tatteredsoul said:

No successful warrior goes into battle or a war without knowing the enemy. You need to know what tactics the enemy uses, the strategies, the weaponry, the terrain in which they practice and prosper, etc. Even thought Christ won the war for us, we are still battling. Otherwise, there would be no need for us to armor up spiritually. I am not talking about doing the things the enemy does to know them. I am talking about being cognizant of the things the enemy does to destroy us, and how these things work.

For example, a lot of people practice yoga thinking that it is just an exercise fad when, really, it is a very important religious aspect of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. One of my friends who devoutly practiced Hinduism was disgusted at how the Western world does yoga like it is calisthenics, without regard for its spiritual implications. The people who do this also don't realize its spiritual implications, and may even say, "oh its not religion because I'm just exercising." This is why you need to know your enemy; a great tactic of deception is to convince a party something that is incredibly dangerous isn't bad, or doesn't exist.

And, indeed there is information on the enemy in the bible canon - enough to protect one's self, but recall the bible is a canon, which is why the Holy Spirit needs to guide us. I am not saying you need practice what the enemy does, but selective knowledge of the enemy (on purpose) is dangerous.

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U want to know satan's tactics? It is to prevent u from thinking about what Jesus did by crushing satan's head.

Si_monfaith said:

U want to know satan's tactics? It is to prevent u from thinking about what Jesus did by crushing satan's head.

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Tactics, weaponry, strategy, Terran on which the enemy practices and prevals, the allies of the enemy, and so on.

If you want to win a war, your knowledge base needs to be multifaceted. Christ won the war, but you can't just be lukewarm and ignorant of the battles either. And, to be cognizant of the battles in which you are fighting, you need to reconnoiter your enemy.

Example:
Terrain of preference: spiritual, physical pain, guilt and torture

Terrain of advantage: exploitaton of personal temptation(s), doubt in the Most High

Weaponry: lies, appeal, reverence, promises of riches and power, inducing self-worthlessness and guilt

Allies: usual stumbling blocks, [insert practices and practitioners of anti-Christian spirituality], revilers, accusers, tempters

Tactics: approach when subject is depressed, physically weak, infirmed, under influence of prescription or recreational drugs including alcohol, invoke anger to cloud judgment, create conflict in household and move in, use loved one to influence and persuade.

If you look at Job, you can see how even a righteous man can be caught and beat up by the enemy. And, the enemy used the very simple system above to nearly break him. If Job had a battle plan, he would have been able to pinpoint the obvious attacks of the enemy - like his stumbling block friends, his spirit falsely convicting him as guilty, his wife whom he love telling him to curse God, his LOSS of riches and power - he may have been even more prepared.

God blessed him that his faith and obedience was enough to get him through, although he was spiritually beat up.

You can see Christ used similar war reconnaissance as outlined above (it was inspired by Him, personal events and biblical heroes.) Each category, Christ completely owned the enemy because He fully knew His enemy - not just knew of him.

tatteredsoul said:

Tactics, weaponry, strategy, Terran on which the enemy practices and prevals, the allies of the enemy, and so on.

If you want to win a war, your knowledge base needs to be multifaceted. Christ won the war, but you can't just be lukewarm and ignorant of the battles either. And, to be cognizant of the battles in which you are fighting, you need to reconnoiter your enemy.

Example:
Terrain of preference: spiritual, physical pain, guilt and torture

Terrain of advantage: exploitaton of personal temptation(s), doubt in the Most High

Weaponry: lies, appeal, reverence, promises of riches and power, inducing self-worthlessness and guilt

Allies: usual stumbling blocks, [insert practices and practitioners of anti-Christian spirituality], revilers, accusers, tempters

Tactics: approach when subject is depressed, physically weak, infirmed, under influence of prescription or recreational drugs including alcohol, invoke anger to cloud judgment, create conflict in household and move in, use loved one to influence and persuade.

If you look at Job, you can see how even a righteous man can be caught and beat up by the enemy. And, the enemy used the very simple system above to nearly break him. If Job had a battle plan, he would have been able to pinpoint the obvious attacks of the enemy - like his stumbling block friends, his spirit falsely convicting him as guilty, his wife whom he love telling him to curse God, his LOSS of riches and power - he may have been even more prepared.

God blessed him that his faith and obedience was enough to get him through, although he was spiritually beat up.

You can see Christ used similar war reconnaissance as outlined above (it was inspired by Him, personal events and biblical heroes.) Each category, Christ completely owned the enemy because He fully knew His enemy - not just knew of him.

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Jesus earned victory over satan. Period. We just believe it again & again. That is the recipe for being victorious.

Tje snake is crushed. Rejoice. Do not ruin your joy by being too engrossed in defeating satan. You cannot. He has already did it. Rejoice & sing.

The Toronto Blessing and the Brownsville Revival were built on this kundalini impartation.

Don't believe me? Watch this video. It lays it all out from its beginning, which was Benny Hinn.

It went like this: Benny Hinn ---> Rodney Howard Browne ---> Randy Clarke ---> Toronto Blessing ---> England breakout ---> Steve Hill ---> Brownsville.

From the 1990's it morphed into what is now known as the New Apostolic Reformation, as all the big players who are established in that movement got well known by those revivals.

It becomes clearest when it breaks out at Brownsville because the way Steve Hill is laying hands on people to get these fleshly manifestations to break out is exactly like a hindu demon worshiper lays hands on his followers:

AGTG said:

The Toronto Blessing and the Brownsville Revival were built on this kundalini impartation.

Don't believe me? Watch this video. It lays it all out from its beginning, which was Benny Hinn.

It went like this: Benny Hinn ---> Rodney Howard Browne ---> Randy Clarke ---> Toronto Blessing ---> England breakout ---> Steve Hill ---> Brownsville.

From the 1990's it morphed into what is now known as the New Apostolic Reformation, as all the big players who are established in that movement got well known by those revivals.

It becomes clearest when it breaks out at Brownsville because the way Steve Hill is laying hands on people to get these fleshly manifestations to break out is exactly like a hindu demon worshiper lays hands on his followers:

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In India the Hindu radicals are upset with Christians as is. Christians are being killed. The Hindus claim forced conversion and threaten to reconvert the Christians back to Hinduism. The above kind of post doesn't help. And religious Pentecostals slamming Hinduism and all eastern "demonicism" doesn't help. It is blunt ministry. Please sharpen your thoughts and words with care for Indian Christians.

Why do you sacrifice the truth on the altar of political correctness?

1 Corinthians 10
20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

I know believers who were in the Toronto and Brownsville that have ministries and others who don't have public ministries but are also faithful to Yahweh.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:2
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matt 12:36

AGTG said:

Why do you sacrifice the truth on the altar of political correctness?

1 Corinthians 10
20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

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From an epistle, "Be wise in the way you behave towards outsiders."
And "seasoned with salt."
Not politically correct instead spiritually and socially.
No slamming. Hindus usually worship clean gods, to use OT language.

People who slam condemn Hindus are obviously not planning to go there and evangelize. Condemnation to the face is not evangelism. It makes preaching harder or impossible and closes doors. They really need to use pseudonyms. Grace and truth saves, and ought be spoken with love.
Historical preaching has convicted hearts with reverence to God to make a change and commitment, or love, as in the Toronto Blessing, really called "the blessing of the Father's heart." Love compels repentance and commitment to Christ. Radically changing people from the heart out to obey the two great commands.

GoldenKingGaze said:

From an epistle, "Be wise in the way you behave towards outsiders."
And "seasoned with salt."
Not politically correct instead spiritually and socially.
No slamming. Hindus usually worship clean gods, to use OT language.

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WHAT!?

GoldenKingGaze said:

People who slam condemn Hindus are obviously not planning to go there and evangelize. Condemnation to the face is not evangelism. It makes preaching harder or impossible and closes doors. They really need to use pseudonyms. Grace and truth saves, and ought be spoken with love.
Historical preaching has convicted hearts with reverence to God to make a change and commitment, or love, as in the Toronto Blessing, really called "the blessing of the Father's heart." Love compels repentance and commitment to Christ. Radically changing people from the heart out to obey the two great commands.

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Your entire argument is quite manipulative (big surprise). Moreover, you really reveal your warped ideas with your notion of "clean gods." The entire Bible plainly shows God hates idolatry. It is a wicked practice.

This is a Christian forum discussing Christian things. If Paul can make clear references to the pagan practices of his day and call them what they are plainly (demonic), then Christians today should be able to as well.

That video is not evangelistic, it's a warning to so-called Christians in grave error.

AGTG said:

Your entire argument is quite manipulative (big surprise). Moreover, you really reveal your warped ideas with your notion of "clean gods." The entire Bible plainly shows God hates idolatry. It is a wicked practice.

This is a Christian forum discussing Christian things. If Paul can make clear references to the pagan practices of his day and call them what they are plainly (demonic), then Christians today should be able to as well.

That video is not evangelistic, it's a warning to so-called Christians in grave error.

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In the OT it makes a difference between clean gods and unclean. I suppose Jesus words on clean and unclean tell us what this word clean means. Unclean, murder, adultery, fornication, stealing, slander, blasphemy. Clean is a basis for love and the clean does no harm, as is with love.

The Hindu deities are usually clean gods.

Paul wrote to the mature, about that where idols are set up and worshiped, that there with it is a demon.

Anything published on the web is open to all. The Bible has been open to all for hundreds of years. Paul Colossians 4:4-6 . Pray that I may declare it clearly, as I should. 5Act wisely toward outsiders, redeeming the time. 6Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.… Berean Study Bible.

Show us with scripture, please. Your ideas are absolutely extreme and unbiblical.

AGTG said:

Show us with scripture, please. Your ideas are absolutely extreme and unbiblical.

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You mean OT scripture? I have been looking but will have to write later. So far all idolatry is foul to God. But some gods were the sun, the stars, and the Queen of Heaven, clean ideas or things. Then there is Baal, and Molech... these were unclean in the description in their mythology.

You can't find any scriptures to support your warped idea. They aren't there.

This is why people need to get in the word daily, it's our only guard against deception and bad doctrine that leads people astray. No wonder the modern church is overrun with demonic forces!

tturt said:

I know believers who were in the Toronto and Brownsville that have ministries and others who don't have public ministries but are also faithful to Yahweh.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:2
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matt 12:36

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Really? Perhaps we should examine the fruit of this so-called revival. For those without the time, you can fast forward to the 29 minute and 50 second mark where this "preacher" at the Toronto Blessing screams "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-a-doodle-do!!!!" into the microphone as he's reading scripture. I've searched the New Testament, and nowhere does it say that making animal noises is a fruit of the Spirit:


But I get where you're coming from. Most people caught up in this junk are under such a deep deception anyone who questions or has any level of discernment or expectation for godly, Biblical conduct in a church, or any standard for truth are just Pharisaical and judgmental, right?

More fruit of these so-called revivals. Heidi Baker imparting a demon into someone and then they writhe and scream as if afflicted: