Women in Ministry

Bluelion · May 3, 2016

Many people say no a woman can not preach sighting 1 Tim 2 but if we look at the king James we see the word usurp authority over men. The word usurp means to act on ones own self interest to take power on ones own ground self interest and self goals. For that matter men should not do it either.

Jesus said call no one rabbi for you are all equal under God, does this not include women? If Jesus said we are all equal how can any one speak against a woman holding an equal position in the church as a man? Most often people are hypocritical with this saying, women can teach men in the world just not in church, so they say there is twpo set of rules one for the church and one for the world, but Jesus says there is one set of rules, we are to live out in the world what is preached in church.

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The will ignore that a woman was a Judge a higher positions than a preacher and she even gave kings commands. Woe unto the man who would say a woman called by God has no right to teach.

Just my two cents so Go. But Please address the points made or do not comment. <staff edit>

John Robie · May 4, 2016

Bluelion said:
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The will ignore that a woman was a Judge a higher positions than a preacher and she even gave kings commands. Woe unto the man who would say a woman called by God has no right to teach

I think I'm on ignore. If so, I'd like someone else to ask him. But I'd like an academic support of this statement. What evidence does the OP have that this view is largely Calvinistic, especially since the Souther Baptist Faith and Message prohibits women pastors, and the SBC is largely not reformed?

JM · May 4, 2016

John Robie said:
I think I'm on ignore. If so, I'd like someone else to ask him. But I'd like an academic support of this statement. What evidence does the OP have that this view is largely Calvinistic, especially since the Souther Baptist Faith and Message prohibits women pastors, and the SBC is largely not reformed?

You are correct, Blue is just trying to associate the idea with Calvinism knowing that many people reject Calvinism so they should also reject the biblical idea of complementarianism.

Bluelion said:
Many people say no a woman can not preach sighting 1 Tim 2 but if we look at the king James we see the word usurp authority over men. The word usurp means to act on ones own self interest to take power on ones own ground self interest and self goals. For that matter men should not do it either.

The word is a good place to start Blue. If the Bible tells us who is qualified to preached the Gospel and that qualification is ignored we must conclude the unqualified person is acting in their own self-interest.

Jesus said call no one rabbi for you are all equal under God, does this not include women?

Jesus is teaching us to be humble. Not to seek titles for the sake of pride. In the same passage you allude to we, “call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.”

Are you suggesting we are not to call our father, father? Instructor, instructor? You are misquoting Jesus.

If Jesus said we are all equal how can any one speak against a woman holding an equal position in the church as a man?

All believers are equal in the sight of God, however, each person and each sex has different complementary roles. These roles are God ordained that we walk in them. This is evidenced in Eph. 5

2 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.[a] 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Be consistent with all of scripture, not just proof texting. Men and women have equal standing before God and we also have different roles that complement each other or else why not have the husband submit to the leadership of his wife?

Most often people are hypocritical with this saying, women can teach men in the world just not in church, so they say there is twpo set of rules one for the church and one for the world, but Jesus says there is one set of rules, we are to live out in the world what is preached in church.

It’s not hypocritical but, as I quoted Isa. 3, a symptom of God’s judgement on a nation. There is only one set of rules and that is found in the church. Whatever society tries to do Blue, we should not imitate, a scholar with “degrees” and who preaches in front of people should know that.

In fact Blue, your position is that taken by culture, not scripture and demonstrated by your own words. Take a look at church history. It does not agree with your Liberalism.

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The will ignore that a woman was a Judge a higher positions than a preacher and she even gave kings commands. Woe unto the man who would say a woman called by God has no right to teach.

Again, this was a specific period in history when Israel was under the judgement of God. The book is about “every man did what was right in their own eyes” so God gave judges over them. Israel was in rebellion and as Isa. 3 points out when women rule over you it is clearly a sign of God’s judgement.

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Yours in the Lord,

jm

Bluelion · May 4, 2016

JM said:
You are correct, Blue is just trying to associate the idea with Calvinism knowing that many people reject Calvinism so they should also reject the biblical idea of complementarianism.

The word is a good place to start Blue. If the Bible tells us who is qualified to preached the Gospel and that qualification is ignored we must conclude the unqualified person is acting in their own self-interest.

Jesus is teaching us to be humble. Not to seek titles for the sake of pride. In the same passage you allude to we, “call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.”

Are you suggesting we are not to call our father, father? Instructor, instructor? You are misquoting Jesus.

All believers are equal in the sight of God, however, each person and each sex has different complementary roles. These roles are God ordained that we walk in them. This is evidenced in Eph. 5

2 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.[a] 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Be consistent with all of scripture, not just proof texting. Men and women have equal standing before God and we also have different roles that complement each other or else why not have the husband submit to the leadership of his wife?

It’s not hypocritical but, as I quoted Isa. 3, a symptom of God’s judgement on a nation. There is only one set of rules and that is found in the church. Whatever society tries to do Blue, we should not imitate, a scholar with “degrees” and who preaches in front of people should know that.

In fact Blue, your position is that taken by culture, not scripture and demonstrated by your own words. Take a look at church history. It does not agree with your Liberalism.

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Again, this was a specific period in history when Israel was under the judgement of God. The book is about “every man did what was right in their own eyes” so God gave judges over them. Israel was in rebellion and as Isa. 3 points out when women rule over you it is clearly a sign of God’s judgement.

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Yours in the Lord,

jm

<staff edit>You gave nothing which shows contrary. There are different role in the family, we are talking about the church. Nothing i said was culture<staff edit> How about the part of the Bible where it says to yield to elders in the church and those who have been called<staff edit>. You accused me of being un biblical lets see the proof. You suggest following academician rules for debating and arguing a point is not necessary, only because you do not know how to do it. It keeps things orderly and promotes learning. <staff edit>

Like i said it i s a hypercritical you can not say there are two set of rules, one for the world and one for the church. That is unbiblical. You said Jesus did not mean equal? then what did He mean? No you should not call others father like in the catholic church and no you should not call others your teacher. That is what Jesus is referring to. Again you do not address the main point of argument which was about the word usurp. <staff edit>

PrettyboyAndy · May 4, 2016

John Robie said:
I think I'm on ignore. If so, I'd like someone else to ask him. But I'd like an academic support of this statement. What evidence does the OP have that this view is largely Calvinistic, especially since the Souther Baptist Faith and Message prohibits women pastors, and the SBC is largely not reformed?

Great point and so funny you said, I think I'm on ignore lol!

Bluelion · May 4, 2016

Further more women are allow to preach in baptist church and at my school they are trained to. Which happens to be not only the largest Christian school but baptist at that. So you guys have your own doctrine which is not of the church and also your group is the minority. Thank God for that.

PrettyboyAndy · May 4, 2016

Bluelion said:
Further more women are allow to preach in baptist church and at my school they are trained to. Which happens to be not only the largest Christian school but baptist at that. So you guys have your own doctrine which is not of the church and also your group is the minority. Thank God for that.

So your saying a Female Pastor is okay?

JM · May 4, 2016

My post stands. Thank you for the likes and pm's supporting me.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

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