Here is why the saints cannot ignore the Commandments of God - not even the TEN

disciple1 · Apr 30, 2016

BobRyan said:
Excellent point and of course 1John 5:1-3 makes a pretty good point for that - stating that we know that we LOVE God - when we KEEP His Commandments.

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
So we're all guilty of every sin even homosexuality, even if we haven't done that sin.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

Tiny Bible · May 3, 2016

BobRyan said:
By contrast - exegesis of Jer 31:31-33 where we are told "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the NEw Heavens and New Earth - for all eternity after the cross ... The Sabbath "in context" as Jeremiah and his intended readers would have known it - can not be spiritualized away into mist and fluff.

God made it abundantly clear in Gen 2:1-3 and Ex 20:8-11 that it is the real 7th day of our real week.

The commandment is very clear -- not mystical -- for those who enjoy sola-scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice.

Do you ever wonder why any Christian would ever argue that the moral compass set by God no longer applies?
Especially the argument that says, which is indeed in scripture, God wrote his laws on our heart. And yet preceding that proclamation those faithful argue that the first 10 laws no longer apply!

I don't think reason is part of the argument in that case.

Jesus taught and his Disciples believed the Decalogue was necessary for Christian's righteousness in life.
• First Commandment : Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:37-38.

• Second Commandment : 1 John 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:7-14; Ephesians 5:5.

• Third Commandment : Matthew 5:33-34; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 11:2; 1 Timothy 6:1.

• Fourth Commandment : Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-9.

• Fifth Commandment : Matthew 15:3-6; Matthew 19:17-19;Ephesians 6:2-3.

• Sixth Commandment : Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Seventh Commandment : Matthew 5:27-28; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:8; Ephesians 5:5;Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Eighth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 4:28.

• Ninth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:25.

• Tenth Commandment : Luke 12:15; Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 5:3-5.

This is a linked source since personal arguments and knowledge of the scriptures by members meets so much resistance by non-believers.

disciple1 · May 3, 2016

Tiny Bible said:
Do you ever wonder why any Christian would ever argue that the moral compass set by God no longer applies?
Especially the argument that says, which is indeed in scripture, God wrote his laws on our heart. And yet preceding that proclamation those faithful argue that the first 10 laws no longer apply!

I don't think reason is part of the argument in that case.

Jesus taught and his Disciples believed the Decalogue was necessary for Christian's righteousness in life.
• First Commandment : Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:37-38.

• Second Commandment : 1 John 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:7-14; Ephesians 5:5.

• Third Commandment : Matthew 5:33-34; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 11:2; 1 Timothy 6:1.

• Fourth Commandment : Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-9.

• Fifth Commandment : Matthew 15:3-6; Matthew 19:17-19;Ephesians 6:2-3.

• Sixth Commandment : Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Seventh Commandment : Matthew 5:27-28; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:8; Ephesians 5:5;Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Eighth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 4:28.

• Ninth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:25.

• Tenth Commandment : Luke 12:15; Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 5:3-5.

This is a linked source since personal arguments and knowledge of the scriptures by members meets so much resistance by non-believers.

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

PsychoeDial · May 3, 2016

Tiny Bible said:
Do you ever wonder why any Christian would ever argue that the moral compass set by God no longer applies?
Especially the argument that says, which is indeed in scripture, God wrote his laws on our heart. And yet preceding that proclamation those faithful argue that the first 10 laws no longer apply!

I don't think reason is part of the argument in that case.

Jesus taught and his Disciples believed the Decalogue was necessary for Christian's righteousness in life.
• First Commandment : Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:37-38.

• Second Commandment : 1 John 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:7-14; Ephesians 5:5.

• Third Commandment : Matthew 5:33-34; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 11:2; 1 Timothy 6:1.

• Fourth Commandment : Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-9.

• Fifth Commandment : Matthew 15:3-6; Matthew 19:17-19;Ephesians 6:2-3.

• Sixth Commandment : Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Seventh Commandment : Matthew 5:27-28; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:8; Ephesians 5:5;Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Eighth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 4:28.

• Ninth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:25.

• Tenth Commandment : Luke 12:15; Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 5:3-5.

This is a linked source since personal arguments and knowledge of the scriptures by members meets so much resistance by non-believers.

Heck of a great post there. I just picked a verse to post this reply first: Matthew 19:17-18
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

I think it becomes apparent why , and I think it is found also in a conversation posted elsewhere in the forums here, as to how there is a schism in the body of Christ, the church, which of course are the faithful, when it comes to Paul and his teachings that often flow in conflict with what Jesus said and taught while here. And we know of course that Paul claimed he was being instructed by Christ post-ascension to speak as he did to the churches.

In particular the issue of conflict surrounds the ten commandments. And yet, look at that post you shared and read what is in Romans 13:9. When Paul reiterated what Jesus taught about the ten commandments, Paul would not be able to actually say the ten commandments no longer matter later on.

This argument has existed longer than any of us have been alive. It will survive us for certain. And yet, the truth of the matter is, no Christian worships idols, commits adultery, steals, bears false witness, puts any other god before the one true God, murders people, disrespects their parent(s), ignores the sabbath be it on a Sunday that they rest or worship, or a Saturday.

In the end we will find ourselves before one throne or the other. Because unlike anonymity on the Internet and forums that invite the worst sort to pretend just to upset people, when we pass over we shall not fool God. We will find ourselves standing before the Bema seat or the white throne of judgment. If we're able to know the difference in that moment, we'll know what all our life's pursuits, even if we posted in forums like this, garnered us.

And then it shall be either a glorious blessing, or too late to change a thing.

disciple1 · May 3, 2016

PsychoeDial said:
Heck of a great post there. I just picked a verse to post this reply first: Matthew 19:17-18
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

I think it becomes apparent why , and I think it is found also in a conversation posted elsewhere in the forums here, as to how there is a schism in the body of Christ, the church, which of course are the faithful, when it comes to Paul and his teachings that often flow in conflict with what Jesus said and taught while here. And we know of course that Paul claimed he was being instructed by Christ post-ascension to speak as he did to the churches.

In particular the issue of conflict surrounds the ten commandments. And yet, look at that post you shared and read what is in Romans 13:9. When Paul reiterated what Jesus taught about the ten commandments, Paul would not be able to actually say the ten commandments no longer matter later on.

This argument has existed longer than any of us have been alive. It will survive us for certain. And yet, the truth of the matter is, no Christian worships idols, commits adultery, steals, bears false witness, puts any other god before the one true God, murders people, disrespects their parent(s), ignores the sabbath be it on a Sunday that they rest or worship, or a Saturday.

In the end we will find ourselves before one throne or the other. Because unlike anonymity on the Internet and forums that invite the worst sort to pretend just to upset people, when we pass over we shall not fool God. We will find ourselves standing before the Bema seat or the white throne of judgment. If we're able to know the difference in that moment, we'll know what all our life's pursuits, even if we posted in forums like this, garnered us.

And then it shall be either a glorious blessing, or too late to change a thing.

PsychoeDial said:
Romans 13:9.

You left out the best part of 13
Romans chapter 13
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

BABerean2 · May 3, 2016

Berean777 said:
A born again believer in Christ is the walking and breathing law, where God has purposely written his laws in their heart and so our performance is judged by the things of the heart, notwithstanding fleshly ritualistic performances.

Every day is the Sabbath once a person is indwelled with the Holy Spirit from God, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

In Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage and tells us to cast out the Sinai covenant.

We are not lawless. We are under a higher law with the most excellent mediator of a better covenant.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
(The Sinai law)

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (The Law of Christ)

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

disciple1 · May 3, 2016

BABerean2 said:
Every day is the Sabbath once a person is indwelled with the Holy Spirit from God, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

In Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage and tells us to cast out the Sinai covenant.

We are not lawless. We are under a higher law with the most excellent mediator of a better covenant.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
(The Sinai law)

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (The Law of Christ)

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

I agree with half of what your saying, but I think this includes all law both new and old testament.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Berean777 · May 3, 2016

BABerean2 said:
Every day is the Sabbath once a person is indwelled with the Holy Spirit from God, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

In Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage and tells us to cast out the Sinai covenant.

We are not lawless. We are under a higher law with the most excellent mediator of a better covenant.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
(The Sinai law)

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (The Law of Christ)

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

I could not have put it any better way, thank you kindly for that, excellent Post.

The Lord of the Sabbath lives in you and me, may we rest in him forever!

Hank77 · May 3, 2016

Fourth Commandment : Hebrews 4:4-9

If one stops at verse 9, they will not understand......
Heb 4:10 for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own.

Heb 4:11 May we be diligent, then, to enter into that rest, that no one in the same example of the unbelief may fall,

The covenant of grace gives us rest from our labors, we enter into the finished work of Christ and rest in Him and Him only.

1Co 6:11 And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.

BABerean2 · May 3, 2016

disciple1 said:
I agree with half of what your saying, but I think this includes all law both new and old testament.

Acts 20:7

(ESV) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

(Geneva) And the first day of the weeke, the disciples being come together to breake bread, Paul preached vnto them, ready to depart on the morrow, and continued the preaching vnto midnight.

(GW) On Sunday we met to break bread. Paul was discussing Scripture with the people. Since he intended to leave the next day, he kept talking until midnight.

(LITV-TSP) And on the first of the week, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.

(KJV) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

bugkiller · May 3, 2016

Tiny Bible said:
Do you ever wonder why any Christian would ever argue that the moral compass set by God no longer applies?
Especially the argument that says, which is indeed in scripture, God wrote his laws on our heart. And yet preceding that proclamation those faithful argue that the first 10 laws no longer apply!

I don't think reason is part of the argument in that case.

Jesus taught and his Disciples believed the Decalogue was necessary for Christian's righteousness in life.
• First Commandment : Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:37-38.

• Second Commandment : 1 John 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:7-14; Ephesians 5:5.

• Third Commandment : Matthew 5:33-34; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 11:2; 1 Timothy 6:1.

• Fourth Commandment : Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-9.

• Fifth Commandment : Matthew 15:3-6; Matthew 19:17-19;Ephesians 6:2-3.

• Sixth Commandment : Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Seventh Commandment : Matthew 5:27-28; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:8; Ephesians 5:5;Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Eighth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 4:28.

• Ninth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:25.

• Tenth Commandment : Luke 12:15; Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 5:3-5.

This is a linked source since personal arguments and knowledge of the scriptures by members meets so much resistance by non-believers.

No this isn't true. Jesus didn't teach righteousness by keeping the law.

bugkiller

bugkiller · May 3, 2016

PsychoeDial said:
Heck of a great post there. I just picked a verse to post this reply first: Matthew 19:17-18
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

I think it becomes apparent why , and I think it is found also in a conversation posted elsewhere in the forums here, as to how there is a schism in the body of Christ, the church, which of course are the faithful, when it comes to Paul and his teachings that often flow in conflict with what Jesus said and taught while here. And we know of course that Paul claimed he was being instructed by Christ post-ascension to speak as he did to the churches.

In particular the issue of conflict surrounds the ten commandments. And yet, look at that post you shared and read what is in Romans 13:9. When Paul reiterated what Jesus taught about the ten commandments, Paul would not be able to actually say the ten commandments no longer matter later on.

This argument has existed longer than any of us have been alive. It will survive us for certain. And yet, the truth of the matter is, no Christian worships idols, commits adultery, steals, bears false witness, puts any other god before the one true God, murders people, disrespects their parent(s), ignores the sabbath be it on a Sunday that they rest or worship, or a Saturday.

In the end we will find ourselves before one throne or the other. Because unlike anonymity on the Internet and forums that invite the worst sort to pretend just to upset people, when we pass over we shall not fool God. We will find ourselves standing before the Bema seat or the white throne of judgment. If we're able to know the difference in that moment, we'll know what all our life's pursuits, even if we posted in forums like this, garnered us.

And then it shall be either a glorious blessing, or too late to change a thing.

Your last 2 paragraphs are right on the money.

bugkiller

bugkiller · May 3, 2016

BobRyan said:
BobRyan said: ↑
Christ was "hard to debate with as we see in Matt 22 - is that making him "JW" or Mormon?

Paul was "hard to debate with" as we see in Acts 13, in Acts 17:1-5 and in Acts 18:1-6 -- does this make him "JW" or "Mormon"???

Paul does not quote entire chapters of the OT when making his case -- neither does Christ.

But in today's marketplace - any-ol-excuse will do - in many cases to serve as "complaint" and "justification" to attack anyone who dares to freely affirm some part of the bible that others would wish to ignore or delete or downsize.

Funny how things never change.

So then - many many texts on page 1 of this thread - will go "ignored" all the while short little snippet "reference no text - quote no text" posts pile up at the end of the thread.

As we can all read - in that post sequence you offer "nothing" but snips and snipes.. No texts at all.

what??

Because the "no texts" responses to my OP as seen in that post sequence above are so "substantive"??

Because the many-many texts given here by me in the irrefutable posts on page 1 are simply "more Bible texts to be dismissed as fluff'? (If one is rejecting that part of the Bible.)

As anyone here knows Scripture is meaningless to you unless its your selective partial quotes. So why bother?

bugkiller

Sophrosyne · May 3, 2016

bugkiller said:
As anyone here knows Scripture is meaningless to you unless its your selective partial quotes. So why bother?

bugkiller

I agree.... his Bible was printed at a dairy farm in Switzerland

BobRyan · May 4, 2016

BABerean2 said:
Acts 20:7

(ESV) On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

(Geneva) And the first day of the weeke, the disciples being come together to breake bread, Paul preached vnto them, ready to depart on the morrow, and continued the preaching vnto midnight.

(GW) On Sunday we met to break bread. Paul was discussing Scripture with the people. Since he intended to leave the next day, he kept talking until midnight.

(LITV-TSP) And on the first of the week, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.

(KJV) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

A great example of 1 text - quoted -- yet not a single version says that they meet every week on week-day-1 or says "on the first day of the week - the Lord's Day" - or gives any reason at all for breaking bread and meeting on week-day-1 other than Paul leaving the next day.

Colossians 2 is about false teachers "making stuff up" vs the real - pure doctrine of the Gospel.

Mark 2:23-28 - making stuff up about 7th day Sabbath keeping
Mark 7:6-13 - making stuff up that contradicts the Commandments of God.

Col 2
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross

1 john 2:2 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Nailing our debt of sin - the cross - having become the substitutionary atoning sacrifice -- paying our debt.

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of Sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.(NASB)

This is not a condemnation of eating, or of drinking or of the annual feast day Sabbath shadows of the cross or any part of God's Word.

Col 2 is about condemning the commandments "of men" - not commandments of God.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
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18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

instead of Paul condemning what Christ calls "the Word of God" in Col 2 -- Paul condemns the traditions of MAN.

Here is how Paul contrasts keeping the moral law of God that defines what sin is (including the TEN Commandments) vs the ceremonial law such as circumcision.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

BobRyan · May 4, 2016

Christ said

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

BobRyan · May 4, 2016

Tiny Bible said:
Do you ever wonder why any Christian would ever argue that the moral compass set by God no longer applies?
Especially the argument that says, which is indeed in scripture, God wrote his laws on our heart. And yet preceding that proclamation those faithful argue that the first 10 laws no longer apply!

I don't think reason is part of the argument in that case.

Jesus taught and his Disciples believed the Decalogue was necessary for Christian's righteousness in life.
• First Commandment : Matthew 4:10; Matthew 22:37-38.

• Second Commandment : 1 John 5:21; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:7-14; Ephesians 5:5.

• Third Commandment : Matthew 5:33-34; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 11:2; 1 Timothy 6:1.

• Fourth Commandment : Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-9.

• Fifth Commandment : Matthew 15:3-6; Matthew 19:17-19;Ephesians 6:2-3.

• Sixth Commandment : Matthew 5:21-22; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Seventh Commandment : Matthew 5:27-28; Matthew 19:17-18;Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Corinthians 10:8; Ephesians 5:5;Galatians 5:19-21; James 2:10-12.

• Eighth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 4:28.

• Ninth Commandment : Matthew 19:17-18; Romans 13:9; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:25.

• Tenth Commandment : Luke 12:15; Romans 7:7; Romans 13:9;Ephesians 5:3-5.

This is a linked source since personal arguments and knowledge of the scriptures by members meets so much resistance by non-believers.

Amen! Nice post.

I love it when posts are Bible based and not restricted to a tiny snippet "snipe". Thanks for that great post!

BobRyan · May 4, 2016

Hank77 said:
Fourth Commandment : Hebrews 4:4-9

If one stops at verse 9, they will not understand......
Heb 4:10 for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own.

Heb 4:11 May we be diligent, then, to enter into that rest, that no one in the same example of the unbelief may fall,

The covenant of grace gives us rest from our labors, we enter into the finished work of Christ and rest in Him and Him only.

1Co 6:11 And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.

Heb 4 "There REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- "remains from when" ?

Answer -- from the Psalms - from the time of David - JUST as they were keeping the Sabbath - it REMAINS for us - to this very day.

hence in Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

BobRyan · May 4, 2016

BABerean2 said:
Every day is the Sabbath.

Instructive that you find not one text in your own post that says that - so you quote "you".

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

BobRyan · May 4, 2016

Good news here is that one cannot simple attack D.L. Moody for being SDA (as they might do to an SDA) as if that would wipe out every Bible detail in his statement.

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D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment

Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

Here is why the saints cannot ignore the Commandments of God - not even the TEN

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