What exists inside a black hole?

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My own opinion: The inside of a black hole is the universe turned inside out and reversed in time.

Like "time" and, "anti-time", matter or antimatter, matter and energy?

What is matter here is a field of energy there and vice versa. Thus, what we see as quantumly entangled particles are really just a manifestation of a single phenomenon. I am still working on the math. :wink:

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I thought it could be caught and observed on camera the "single phenomenon" that one single thing is in two places, at once, in two worlds and can be proven through the use of a super-collider and a fast action camera/microscope...?
 
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Probably ninjas. Missing socks from the dryer. Backs from earrings you lose. $0.38 in loose change. Dust-bunnies. More ninjas.
 
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I think this video may help.


......And then there's this one if you want to end up with more questions than answers.
 
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Nothing comes out from the other side of the event horizon. What can happen is that the black hole will pull in material around it. As the material nears the event horizon it speeds up. Faster speeds result in friction, friction into heat, heat into velocity, and finally enough velocity that the material can escape its orbit from around the black hole. Imagine 10 cars driving 100 mph, all hitting the same telephone pole at the same time. Most of the debris would be wrapped around the telephone pole, but some of the debris would have enough energy to be flung away from the crash site.
You paint the pretties pictures with your words.
 
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My own opinion: The inside of a black hole is the universe turned inside out and reversed in time.
Inside a black hole time becomes a spatial direction - the future is the 'singularity', whatever that is.
What is matter here is a field of energy there and vice versa.
Er, matter is a field of energy here and vice versa; no 'there' required.
 
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Inside a black hole time becomes a spatial direction - the future is the 'singularity', whatever that is.
Er, matter is a field of energy here and vice versa; no 'there' required.
of course here and there are problematic, as are then and now, here and then, there and now, there and then and here and now. Which is which depends on the observers state of relative motion.
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Think of it like this: The universe is like a golf ball. The dimples are gravity wells and the radius is time. When the dimples become deep enough they reach the event horizon of the singularity. All the black holes are bounded at the same singularity. That is the boundary of the universe.
We look out in all directions at the big bang, we look outward into the past at a smaller universe. It emanates from the big bang and falls into the black hole. In between it is stretched, producing the red shift. The Big Bang seems instantaneous from far away but up close it is the slow evaporation as described by Hawking. As something falls into the hole it accelerates toward light speed, becoming wave-like and at the singularity it becomes the mass that is the black hole when the wave collapses. We know from the math that an anti-particle traveling traveling forward in time is indistinguishable from a particle moving backward in time, and at the boundary the particle might be ejected while the anti-particle is pulled in. We do not see the reflection because of the time dilation effect of the immense gravity.
It obviously involves nonlinear partial differentials, that cannot be solved. It is impossible to really put it into words. Even the math involves infinite series of complex probabilities, matrices transforming quaternions or even octonions.
Or think of the quantum foam neutrinos and anti-neutrinos popping into existence and almost immediately annihilating each other because the particle and the anti-particle are in fact just one thing. That is the universe. It is just a matter of scale.
Still working on the math, but I am not a fanatic about it. I think that if I take all the equations, which all contain Pi because they are periodic and isolate Pi, then equating all the other terms, someone might be able to relate through Pi, quantum mechanics and general relativity.
Of course you could dismiss me as just a crackpot, but showing me wrong would take, I think a very smart person, and might prove very productive.

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I have been researching near death experience accounts since 1990.They have dramatically changed the way that I view the Jewish and Christian scriptures.I like the way that one near death experiencer reported that technologically advanced alien species played a role in some miraculous events recorded in scripture.... so yes........ black holes could certainly have some connection with the Extraterrestrial species that also fell.......
"What about beings from other planets, do you think they visit here?Yes I do. And I think those who have been permitted to cross over into our world have been doing so for a very long time now (for a very important purpose) as Divinely arranged by Heaven. Since my NDE, because of a few things I was shown, it is now my deep belief that some of the more phenomenal events depicted in the Old Testament (such as the Great flood of Noah, the parting of the Red Sea for Moses, the mass explosion of Sodom and Gomorrah, etc) are not only very true, but were moments in time which were orchestrated and performed by beings of a much higher order and intelligence than our ownwho may have volunteered their technology and understandings or even sent to help guide and shape a culture within humanity during a pressing time within its development and evolution." (ChristianAndreason, chapter 2 of online book)

Black holes are pretty destructive in that they rip everything in two.
Worm holes are likely not pretty and neat enough for matter to
pass through intact.

So, without a faster-than-light method of transport, humans would not likely have
the time needed to find life then return before humanity turned into dust.
 
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Well from my research I believe in the fallen angels and nephilim and that they are basically what we'd consider aliens and that they exist out there still whether it be on the earth, in the skies, on other planets etc.Have you ever read the book of Enoch? Please consider it, I think it will help you, it has opened my eyes.

If they are not here, then they are aliens. Granted.
 
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Simple question, what exists inside black holes?
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Science says none of our rules of reality apply inside.
Likely, its all packed very tight so there'd be nothing
much to see anyway.

Being black on this side, the view from the other side
would be much brighter than any sun we can look at.
A seemingly infinite amount of energy pouring out.
 
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... The Big Bang seems instantaneous from far away but up close it is the slow evaporation as described by Hawking.
I don't understand what you mean by this - can you explain?
... think of the quantum foam neutrinos and anti-neutrinos popping into existence and almost immediately annihilating each other because the particle and the anti-particle are in fact just one thing.
Are you suggesting that the 'virtual particles' of the vacuum are neutrinos and anti-neutrinos? If so, please provide a reference or link. As I understand it, the interaction cross-section for neutrino/anti-neutrino annihilation is so small as to be negligible and would require high energy neutrinos.
 
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I don't understand what you mean by this - can you explain?
A particle falls into a black hole. The further in it falls the more it accelerates until it becomes wave-like as shown by Shroedinger. Space shrinks and time dilates. (or, if you prefer the other way around. It makes no difference. One or the other approaches certainty of one while the other approaches the certainty of zero, and which is which is a matter of observational bias.) Or another way to think of it, the probability of position approaches zero (space) and the probability of momentum (gravity and time) approaches one. Or vice versa! Think sine, cosine and the Euler Equation. When, at the boundary, the wave form collapses, the position probability approaches one, because space is very, very small, and there is no other place for it to be, and time is so dilated it could be any when and probably is every when. It is immediately reflected, but because of time dilation what we see from the outside is the slow evaporation of the singularity. Closer in, it is a big bang. Or think thus: As it falls in space contracts and as it leaves space expands. (e^(ix) = cos(x) + i sin (x) <=> cos ([Pi/2] - x) +/- i sin ([Pi/2] -x such that x is a quaternion or a four vector with one lateral (imaginary) component. Note that +/- because the particle is also the anti-particle. There is space but no time between the particle and the antiparticle which produces the entanglement, that weird "action at a distance" that so confuses the common sense.
Are you suggesting that the 'virtual particles' of the vacuum are neutrinos and anti-neutrinos?
Well some of them are, certainly. A neutrino presents a cross section of minimum dimension. It is, as I understand (?) just spin, without mass or charge, an oscillation in one dimensions. Charge requires two dimensions, the direction of the electric field and the direction of the magnetic field while gravity requires three spatial and one time dimension. Think Minkowski or quaternions. The Clifford algebras differ only in whether i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = 1 or -1.
If so, please provide a reference or link.
It is not a single link, more like, a quantumly entangled everything. It is Clifford algebras, Taylor series, tensors of order "n", quaternions, octonions, general relativity and quantum mechanics.
As I understand it,...
"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you obviously don't understand quantum mechanics."
... the interaction cross-section for neutrino/anti-neutrino annihilation is so small as to be negligible and would require high energy neutrinos.
Maybe so many high energy neutrinos in the foam that we perceive "dark energy" and "dark matter"? The space-time cross-section is to small to detect any individual event, and we can detect nothing but know that it must be there. Each event presents the minimum space-time cross section, with the neutrinos being at the required maximum energy. The neutrino is the minimum cross-section of the entire universe, which at the boundary of the singularity is indeterminate in space and time. The neutrino is the universe falling in and the anti-neutrino being ejected, or vice versa. The math would seem to work either way. (But as I said, I am still working on it , and I am no Einstein. And I do a lot more thinking than scribbling.)
If you want to scribble I would be happy to look at the results, but please remember that "real" numbers may just be a dot product, the result of multiplying a complex number with its conjugate, the magnitude of a quaternion, or the determinant of a matrix. I get very confused because the trail leads off in all directions at once. Of course in the end, no matter which path one takes you end up approaching your starting point from a different direction.
(Dirac-shun? :sorry: )

:scratch:, :doh:, :sigh:, ,:sleep:, :oldthumbsup:, :scratch:, :doh:, ...

Links? Citations?
Maybe I am thinking thoughts no one ever thought before! :clap:

Or maybe not. :help:

:wave:
 
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Simple question, what exists inside black holes?

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A black hole is a potential well. At the bottom of the potential well is usually a neutron star - a stellar structure that has had all of its elements collapse into the core where nuclear protons and electrons combine and make neutrons. Since the neutron is the heaviest fundamental particle, it produces a potential well.

But, despite scientific status quo, it isn't gravity that causes light to collapse into a black hole, it is electromagnetism. Stellar structures that are about to turn into a black hole have immense magnetism. It is this electromagnetism that interacts with the photon, attracting light into the hole.
 
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Nothing, since they are figments of the imagination. Missing pieces in a theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

"Many theories in physics have mathematical singularities of one kind or another. Equations for these physical theories predict that the ball of mass of some quantity becomes infinite or increases without limit. This is generally a sign for a missing piece in the theory, as in the ultraviolet catastrophe, renormalization, and instability of a hydrogen atom predicted by the Larmor formula."

But then nothing else can be expected from those who do not understand plasma physics in a universe 99% plasma.


So until they start studying plasma physics and using it as the dominating force - we will forever require those 96% ad-hoc theories. Just watch the ad-hoc comments from those that can't believe it either and still refuse to accept it...
 
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Nothing, since they are figments of the imagination. Missing pieces in a theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

"Many theories in physics have mathematical singularities of one kind or another. Equations for these physical theories predict that the ball of mass of some quantity becomes infinite or increases without limit. This is generally a sign for a missing piece in the theory, as in the ultraviolet catastrophe, renormalization, and instability of a hydrogen atom predicted by the Larmor formula."

But then nothing else can be expected from those who do not understand plasma physics in a universe 99% plasma.


So until they start studying plasma physics and using it as the dominating force - we will forever require those 96% ad-hoc theories. Just watch the ad-hoc comments from those that can't believe it either and still refuse to accept it...


I wonder what ionised hydrogen has got to do with gravity or General Relativity? Still, never mind.
 
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... I am no Einstein.
I get very confused ...
OK; never mind
In New Theories of Everything: The Quest for Ultimate Explanation (John D Barrow, 2007, 2nd Ed. Oxfgord University Press), right under the title of the first chapter, Ultimate Explanation, is the following quotation: "I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still more complicated." --- Poul Andersen
The more one learns the more one is exposed to one's own ignorance.
One of my points was, in case you missed it that "spin" is oscillation in one dimension, electromagnetism is oscillation in two dimensions, and gravity in three, although the "time" is, in each case, the square root of the cross product of a differential, and always lateral ("imaginary", i^2 = -1) to the space under consideration, whether one, two, or three dimensions.

:wave:
 
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I wonder what ionised hydrogen has got to do with gravity or General Relativity? Still, never mind.

Good question - since almost the entire universe is composed of ionized hydrogen, what do you think it would have to do with GR? But then since GR has nothing to do with plasma physics, you might wonder why they keep trying to apply it and it keeps failing by 96%. Some day they will learn GR only applies to non-ionized solids, liquids and gasses - planetary systems.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/milkyway/ism.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_II_region
 
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Good question - since almost the entire universe is composed of ionized hydrogen, what do you think it would have to do with GR? But then since GR has nothing to do with plasma physics, you might wonder why they keep trying to apply it and it keeps failing by 96%. Some day they will learn GR only applies to non-ionized solids, liquids and gasses - planetary systems.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/milkyway/ism.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_II_region

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. None whatsoever.
 
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In New Theories of Everything: The Quest for Ultimate Explanation (John D Barrow, 2007, 2nd Ed. Oxfgord University Press), right under the title of the first chapter, Ultimate Explanation, is the following quotation: "I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still more complicated." --- Poul Andersen
The more one learns the more one is exposed to one's own ignorance.
One of my points was, in case you missed it that "spin" is oscillation in one dimension, electromagnetism is oscillation in two dimensions, and gravity in three, although the "time" is, in each case, the square root of the cross product of a differential, and always lateral ("imaginary", i^2 = -1) to the space under consideration, whether one, two, or three dimensions.

:wave:

Electromagnetic waves oscillate in two directions as they travel. They are given off by the movement of charged particles. Since spin is movement...... You can understand why all atomic structures emit electromagnetic radiation. They need not spin in two directions - they simply need to spin.
 
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