My Geocentrism Challenge

AV1611VET said:

That's fine; but not here, eh?

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Sure - didn't realise you wanted to keep to one verse only, so I'll leave it be for now.

AV1611VET said:

That's fine; but not here, eh?

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Oh so you and Greggles can carry on about how "nobody can answer"?

I thought you said to use the bible in the OP and not just the verse you posted.

Um. Who's playing games again?

Stop trolling.

Delphiki said:

Oh so you and Greggles can carry on about how "nobody can answer"?

I thought you said to use the bible in the OP and not just the verse you posted.

Um. Who's playing games again?

Stop trolling.

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AV1611VET said:

For those of you who believe the Bible teaches geocentrism in Psalm 19, I challenge you to explain this:

Matthew 20:17 ¶ And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Matthew 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

Did Jerusalem hover over the earth or something?

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^

(That said, if this thread ever gets QV'd as us not being able to show that "the Bible teaches geocentrism" without the Psalm 19 qualifier, it's going to get pwned so fast it'll make people's heads spin.)

Delphiki said:

Oh so you and Greggles can carry on about how "nobody can answer"?

I thought you said to use the bible in the OP and not just the verse you posted.

Um. Who's playing games again?

Stop trolling.

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Lately every time I try to respond to one of AVET's posts seriously, he has accussed me of "playing games." He should be the last person here to accuse anyone else of "playing games."

It's alive!!! it's alive!!!

Oh my! But after 5 and a half years dead, is it showing any signs of intelligence?

AV1611VET said:

For those of you who believe the Bible teaches geocentrism in Psalm 19, I challenge you to explain this:

Matthew 20:17 ¶ And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Matthew 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

Did Jerusalem hover over the earth or something?

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"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"

Did Jesus and the devil see all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain?

HitchSlap said:

"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"

Did Jesus and the devil see all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain?

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Could be something like a dream or vision, and the height of the mountain was more symbolic than a vantage point.

AV1611VET said:

That's different.

Satan may have shown Jesus a slide show.

(And I'm being serious.)

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And so it goes.

AV1611VET said:

Yes, he can.

A literal interpretation does not mean you can't allow for figures of speech.

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But it would necessarily mean that we'd need you to tell us what's literal and what's a figure of speech... and why should we need you for anything?

AV1611VET said:

For those of you who believe the Bible teaches geocentrism in Psalm 19, I challenge you to explain this:

Matthew 20:17 ¶ And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Matthew 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

Did Jerusalem hover over the earth or something?

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(I'm not a geocentrist in the sense required.)
The Bible also has
Luke 10:30: In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho"
And I've heard that used in sermons to represent not a physical descent but a moral decline.
(I don't think that's good exegesis, but there it is.)

Up and Down need not be literal usages at all
British railways designated Up lines as those heading to the larger or more important destination, and Down lines as those leading away from it, but the idea in English predates the railways even if they popularised it.

For an anomaly, students had traditionally "gone up" to Oxford or Cambridge universities,
so students from London would go up on a down train.

I suspect the "up" to the "major centre" is an idea present in other languages without any forcing.
(and without any necessary spiritual meaning to it either.)

Chris

AV1611VET said:

And I won't play the give-a-man-a-fish game.

You know the Boolean standards.

Use them.

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Reality trumps your made up "standards."

AV1611VET said:

And I won't play the give-a-man-a-fish game.

You know the Boolean standards.

Use them.

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But they're your boolean standards.... which makes them even more worthless.