God's 7000 year Plan

keras · Apr 20, 2016

7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10
Our year 2314.5 BCE

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis
17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE. [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year 586 BCE.
Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism.Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years.

Jan. 2016 CE - 29.5 CE = 1986.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.
1986.5 + 4000 =5986.5 years, is where we are now. 5986.5 + 13.5 = 6000 years.
2016 CE + 13.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age. 4000 since Abraham and 6000 since Adam.

It isn't my intention to promote dates for any future happening, just to present the time periods as given in our Bibles, coupled with known historical dates.

dfw69 · Apr 21, 2016

keras said:
7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10
Our year 2314.5 BCE

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1070.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis
17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE. [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year 586 BCE.
Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism.Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years.

Jan. 2016 CE - 29.5 CE = 1986.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.
1986.5 + 4000 =5986.5 years, is where we are now. 5986.5 + 13.5 = 6000 years.
2016 CE + 13.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age. 4000 since Abraham and 6000 since Adam.
It isn't my intention to promote dates for any future happening, just to present the time periods as given in our Bibles, coupled with known historical dates.

Is this your work ? Did you go through all the scriptures to come up with this Keras ? If so .. That's impressive

keras · Apr 21, 2016

dfw69 said:
Is this your work ? Did you go through all the scriptures to come up with this Keras ? If so .. That's impressive

I did have some help to list all the scriptures, but I spent quite a bit of time carefully adding and making sure all was correct. The trickiest part was the BCE/CE changover, just realize that the years are counted at their start, BCE 1, then CE 1 and so on, both ways.
All quite amazing and is proof of the 7000 year Plan of God.
But the event that we are told will 'come as a thief', unexpectedly and without warning, is the Lord's Day of wrath, His Day of judgement/punishment of the nations, several years before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. Habakkuk 3:12, Psalms 2:1-12
This is the event I am trying to get people to know about and prepare for, spiritually and physically.

Hazrus · Apr 21, 2016

How do you know when Adam was created?

keras · Apr 22, 2016

Hazrus said:
How do you know when Adam was created?

In order to match God's timeline to our calendar, we have to use the known date of a Biblical event. The sure date of 586 BCE for the conquest of Judah is the tie. Adam was 3386.5 years before that, therefore 3386.5 + 586 - 2 = 3970.5 BCE Minus 2 to bring that date into line with our calendar system.
The date of Jesus' Baptism is not certain, but if we say it was the Crucifixion or better still the acclaimation of Him as King, John 12:12-16, happened in 29.5 CE, then this timeline still works, He will Return as King after 2000 years. However I believe His Baptism is correct, as He said He would work for 2 'days', 2000 years, which he had commenced and then get His reward. Luke 13:32

I have two questions for you: Can you fault this timeline?
Now that you know this age is nearly over, what should you do about it?

dfw69 · Apr 22, 2016

keras said:
I did have some help to list all the scriptures, but I spent quite a bit of time carefully adding and making sure all was correct. The trickiest part was the BCE/CE changover, just realize that the years are counted at their start, BCE 1, then CE 1 and so on, both ways.
All quite amazing and is proof of the 7000 year Plan of God.
But the event that we are told will 'come as a thief', unexpectedly and without warning, is the Lord's Day of wrath, His Day of judgement/punishment of the nations, Habakkuk 3:12, Psalms 2:1-12
This is the event I am trying to get people to know about and prepare for, spiritually and physically.

So if Jesus does not return to establish his kingdom on earth around the 7th millennium what would that say ?

What if rabbinic Judaism produces a messiah first would that testify that Jesus was a false prophet and rabbinic Judaism was correct all along?

And would people fall away from the faith if that happens?

I think so ... Jesus said he will not return until Israel crys out to him for salvation ... So it's possible that Jesus will not return to earth until Israel repents regardless of the time table of the 7 year plan ... The millennium will be put on hold until Israel repents from falling away

dfw69 · Apr 22, 2016

keras said:
In order to match God's timeline to our calendar, we have to use the known date of a Biblical event. The sure date of 586 BCE for the conquest of Judah is the tie. Adam was 3386.5 years before that, therefore 3386.5 + 586 - 2 = 3970.5 BCE Minus 2 to bring that date into line with our calendar system.
The date of Jesus' Baptism is not certain, but if we say it was the Crucifixion or better still the acclaimation of Him as King, John 12:12-16, happened in 29.5 CE, then this timeline still works, He will Return as King after 2000 years. However I believe His Baptism is correct, as He said He would work for 2 'days', 2000 years, which he had commenced and then get His reward Luke 13:32

I have two questions for you: Can you fault this timeline?
Now that you know this age is nearly over, what should you do about it?

What should we do about it Keras ?.... It's in gods control..keep the faith ..trust in Jesus

If Jesus wants his people to move to Beulah and establish Ezekiel temple he will allow it ... If not, he will have no part in it now....but one day he will come down and fulfill messianic prophecies when Israel cries out for him in repentance...

I think a false Jesus will come first to lead astray and then rabbinic Judaism will take over if you want my honest opinion ... Christianity will be made out to look like the bad guy ...

Hazrus · Apr 22, 2016

Keras, that is amazing detective work. I'm impressed. I can certainly see a pattern.

Now... what if one is not a 6 day or young earth creationist?

dfw69 · Apr 22, 2016

If new heaven and new earth is suppose to be paradise for the entire world ... Why move every soul to Beulah?... Kinda crowded imo

keras · Apr 22, 2016

dfw69 said:
So if Jesus does not return to establish his kingdom on earth around the 7th millennium what would that say ?

God will keep to His Plan, He doesn't change, His Appointed Days and times will come to pass. Habakkuk 2:3

dfw69 said:
What if rabbinic Judaism produces a messiah first would that testify that Jesus was a false prophet and rabbinic Judaism was correct all along?

As I have posted elsewhere, the forthcoming disaster by fire to the world, will particularly affect the Middle East. Amos 1:1-15 says what will happen to Syria, the Palestinians, Lebanon, Arabia, and Jordan. Amos 2:1-5 says about Israel.
Only a remnant of Messianic Jews will be saved. Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:7-9 and Isaiah 29:1-8 repeats it.

dfw69 said:
And would people fall away from the faith if that happens?

Christians who have gripped onto false teachings, such as a rapture to heaven, are the most likely to lose their faith. We are told to stand firm. Luke 21:18, 1 Peter 4:17-18

dfw69 said:
I think so ... Jesus said he will not return until Israel crys out to him for salvation ... So it's possible that Jesus will not return to earth until Israel repents regardless of the time table of the 7 year plan ... The millennium will be put on hold until Israel repents from falling away

You need to realize who is true Israel. The Jews are just a part of Israel.

dfw69 said:
I think a false Jesus will come first to lead astray and then rabbinic Judaism will take over if you want my honest opinion ... Christianity will be made out to look like the bad guy ...

I do not see that anywhere in Bible prophecy.

dfw69 said:
If new heaven and new earth is suppose to be paradise for the entire world ... Why move every soul to Beulah?... Kinda crowded imo

Time for you to really study what the Prophetic Word actually says, then you wouldn't make such uneducated comments. The NHNE doesn't come until after the Millennium. Beulah will be the only nation that won't join the One World Govt after the Lord's Day of wrath. That is why the leader of the OWG makes a 7 year treaty with them.
There is still enough time for all what is prophesied to happen before the Return, to take place.
Kinda crowded? No: Isaiah 49:14-23, Micah 7:7-13, Ezekiel 28:24-26

keras · Apr 22, 2016

Hazrus said:
Now... what if one is not a 6 day or young earth creationist?

Then one would be wrong.
I see the 6 'days' of Creation as 'days' in God's eyes. They are, therefore, 1000 year periods. "Young Earth" belief is better than the wild estimates of some scientists!
That's all academic anyway and has no bearing on what will soon hit the world, dramatically changing everything.

dfw69 · Apr 22, 2016

keras said:
God will keep to His Plan, He doesn't change, His Appointed Days and times will come to pass. Habakkuk 2:3

As I have posted elsewhere, the forthcoming disaster by fire to the world, will particularly affect the Middle East. Amos 1:1-15 says what will happen to Syria, the Palestinians, Lebanon, Arabia, and Jordan. Amos 2:1-5 says about Israel.
Only a remnant of Messianic Jews will be saved. Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:7-9 and Isaiah 29:1-8 repeats it.

Christians who have gripped onto false teachings, such as a rapture to heaven, are the most likely to lose their faith. We are told to stand firm. Luke 21:18, 1 Peter 4:17-18

You need to realize who is true Israel. The Jews are just a part of Israel.

I do not see that anywhere in Bible prophecy.

Time for you to really study what the Prophetic Word actually says, then you wouldn't make such uneducated comments. The NHNE doesn't come until after the Millennium. Beulah will be the only nation that won't join the One World Govt after the Lord's Day of wrath. That is why the leader of the OWG makes a 7 year treaty with them.
There is still enough time for all what is prophesied to happen before the Return, to take place.
Kinda crowded? No: Isaiah 49:14-23, Micah 7:7-13, Ezekiel 28:24-26

I choose to put my trust in Jesus Keras and believe in him for his promises ...I will not loose my faith if what you believe happens first ..

keras · Apr 22, 2016

dfw69 said:
I choose to put my trust in Jesus Keras and believe in him for his promises

Very good, Jesus is our hope and strength.

dfw69 said:
.I will not loose my faith if what you believe happens first ..

What I believe is what the Prophets told us will happen. Including Jesus in His Revelation to us. Nowhere in there or elsewhere does the Bible say the Lord's people will be removed from the earth. So if a rapture is your belief, as it is for millions of deceived Christians, or any other scenario like the preterist thinking of it all being past history, or simply allegorical, then when the Lord does take action against His enemies, Isaiah 28:21, and there are terrible signs in the sky, the earth shaking, etc, Luke 21:25-26, that will be our test, 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Stand firm in your faith and be ready to move, for our redemption and restoration will be near! Ezekiel 34:11-16, Jeremiah 33:1-16 Note verse 15 says there will be a righteous leader in the Land....who will keep the Law and maintain justice. This refutes your theory of a false Messiah.

dfw69 · Apr 22, 2016

keras said:
Very good, Jesus is our hope and strength.

What I believe is what the Prophets told us will happen. Including Jesus in His Revelation to us. Nowhere in there or elsewhere does the Bible say the Lord's people will be removed from the earth. So if a rapture is your belief, as it is for millions of deceived Christians, or any other scenario like the preterist thinking of it all being past history, or simply allegorical, then when the Lord does take action against His enemies, Isaiah 28:21, and there are terrible signs in the sky, the earth shaking, etc, Luke 21:25-26, that will be our test, 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Stand firm in your faith and be ready to move, for our redemption and restoration will be near! Ezekiel 34:11-16, Jeremiah 33:1-16 Note verse 15 says there will be a righteous leader in the Land....who will keep the Law and maintain justice. This refutes your theory of a false Messiah.

I'm not moving to Beulah Keras ... Jesus said do not go after them who say here is messiah....I'll continue to wait on the lord and keep the faith that he fulfilled my righteousness.. I will not be returning to the law to save myself ... Jesus fulfilled the law for me ...he who seeks to save himself shall lose his life ... He that loses his life for Jesus sake shall save it

The false messiah will use the law to deny Christ Jesus ...many already do so now ...

Many follow after their own righteousness ..many keep the law ..many will end up denying Jesus is lord and will end up accepting what Judaism offers instead ...

They will count the new covenant as unholy....and hold to the law as a greater and better covenant...Hebrews 10:29

I've heard some say that God will not accept a human sacrifice as if it's a sin to believe and count it unholy ....Yet we know God sent his son and God offered his only begotten son to be our sacrifice.... And testified that he would do so when he sent Abraham to sacrifice his son issac ... This typified our precious offering given us by our father

Jesus is a lot more than just our hope and strength....Jesus is everything to the believers who love him

keras · Apr 23, 2016

dfw69 said:
I'm not moving to Beulah Keras

Why do you post on an eschatological forum, if you don't believe or take note of what the Prophets wrote? Isaiah 62:1-5
I have already pointed out the prophesies saying how the Jews will be judged and they will have very little to say in the new nation of Beulah. Ezekiel 16:63
When the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath happens, on a Day when you least expect it, only then will you and all who have confused ideas of God's Plan, finally come to an understanding. Isaiah 29:24

How would you like to spend the next 13 or so years? As a marked member of a One World Govt, or in the holy Land? You will have a choice!

ScottA · Apr 23, 2016

keras said:
7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10
Our year 2314.5 BCE

Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1070.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years so far = 2000

Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis
17:1-8
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE. [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]
1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year 586 BCE.
Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism.Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years.

Jan. 2016 CE - 29.5 CE = 1986.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.
1986.5 + 4000 =5986.5 years, is where we are now. 5986.5 + 13.5 = 6000 years.
2016 CE + 13.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age. 4000 since Abraham and 6000 since Adam.
It isn't my intention to promote dates for any future happening, just to present the time periods as given in our Bibles, coupled with known historical dates.

I marvel at this sort of thing, the research, etc....just amazing!

dfw69 · Apr 23, 2016

keras said:
Why do you post on an eschatological forum, if you don't believe or take note of what the Prophets wrote? Isaiah 62:1-5

Keras ..I do believe this scripture will be fulfilled one day ... Just not when you expect it to take place .. It will happen after the false messianic age takes place ... I don't understand why you cannot grasp that concept ... I try to make it as plain as possible ...

I have already pointed out the prophesies saying how the Jews will be judged and they will have very little to say in the new nation of Beulah. Ezekiel 16:63

The Jews will not accept you if you are are true believer of Jesus ... If you move to Beulah in the near future you will be persecuted there for your belief in Jesus .. Many saints will die during the false messianic age

When the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath happens, on a Day when you least expect it, only then will you and all who have confused ideas of God's Plan, finally come to an understanding. Isaiah 29:24

I am not confused of gods plan Keras those in the law will be confounded because of falling away from the faith

How would you like to spend the next 13 or so years? As a marked member of a One World Govt, or in the holy Land? You will have a choice!

I choose to die for my faith for new Jerusalem above and the promises of Jesus .. Jesus knows my heart Keras .. If man judges me by the law I will put my trust that God will avenge those that rise up against us to judge and condemn us

ScottA · Apr 23, 2016

keras said:
But the event that we are told will 'come as a thief', unexpectedly and without warning, is the Lord's Day of wrath, His Day of judgement/punishment of the nations, Habakkuk 3:12, Psalms 2:1-12
This is the event I am trying to get people to know about and prepare for, spiritually and physically.

The mystery of that day, is that if it were at the end...it would not be night, but morning. So, then...the thief coming in the night...is indeed not expected. When then, shall we say the Lord comes?

keras · Apr 23, 2016

ScottA said:
I marvel at this sort of thing, the research, etc....just amazing!

What I find truly amazing, is all this has been in our Bibles for 100's of years and thousands of Bible scholars have pored over it all, yet haven't [that I know of] been able to get these facts straight.
This is truly a fulfilment of Matthew 11:25, because I am a dropout from high school and have never been brainwashed at a Bible college of Seminary.
I thank and praise God for His use of me to present His truths, now it is up to those who read them to take note of His Plans and be ready for what must happen in our days.
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keras · Apr 23, 2016

dfw69 said:
Keras ..I do believe this scripture will be fulfilled one day ... Just not when you expect it to take place .. It will happen after the false messianic age takes place ... I don't understand why you cannot grasp that concept ... I try to make it as plain as possible ...

Your theory is quite plain, just not Biblical. The nearest to a 'false Messianic age' is now, as we have many false teachers and you seem to be trying to emulate them yourself.

dfw69 said:
The Jews will not accept you if you are are true believer of Jesus ... If you move to Beulah in the near future you will be persecuted there for your belief in Jesus .. Many saints will die during the false messianic age

I am not talking about the current State of Israel, the Jewish nation. The entire Middle East region will be virtually depopulated in the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Many prophesies prove that. Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive underground. Isaiah 29:4 The 'saints' are killed from Stephen until Jesus Returns. The girl who refused to renounce Jesus at the Columbine massacre was one.

dfw69 said:
I am not confused of gods plan Keras those in the law will be confounded because of falling away from the faith

Who is 'in the Law", exactly? Answer: the Jews and those deluded people who embrace Judasim.
Who will 'fall away from the faith'? All who have their beliefs shattered on the Day of the Lord's wrath. Good for you if you have to die for your faith, that would be to your honor. But God does promise protection for those who call out to His Name on that Day and He plans to bless His people as they live in peace and prosperity in the holy Land.

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