Kent Hovind Arrested

Subduction Zone said:

I am only trying to help Joshua. Snide remarks such as yours are technically a no-no here.

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The man is in a quandary, he wants to keep believing but everything he wants to believe is constantly being shown to be untrue, wouldn't you feel a little snide if it was happening to you especially if you had put your heart, soul and trust into it being true? I think I would feel devastated, foolish and cheated if it happened to me.

Moreso said:

The man is in a quandary, he wants to keep believing but everything he wants to believe is constantly being shown to be untrue, wouldn't you feel a little snide if it was happening to you especially if you had put your heart, soul and trust into it being true? I think I would feel devastated, foolish and cheated if it happened to me.

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If he was in better touch with reality, it wouldnt be a problem.

Subduction Zone said:

I am only trying to help Joshua. Snide remarks such as yours are technically a no-no here.

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Your remark was the snide remark. Really I am not kidding you keep accusing others of the exact thing you are guilty of. You really need to examine yourself and clean up your own back yard and quit trying to project your issues out on others. If your going to keep doing this I am going to keep calling you on it. It sure looks to me like you are chasing your own shaddow.

To the pure all things are pure and they do not go around accusing others like that.

"To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure.
In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted." titus 1:15

joshua 1 9 said:

Your remark was the snide remark. Really I am not kidding you keep accusing others of the exact thing you are guilty of. You really need to examine yourself and clean up your own back yard and quit trying to project your issues out on others. If your going to keep doing this I am going to keep calling you on it. It sure looks to me like you are chasing your own shaddow.

To the pure all things are pure and they do not go around accusing others like that.

"To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure.
In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted." titus 1:15

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How was my remark snide in any way at all? There is no projecting going on from me. If you think that I was being snide please tell me. And please, try to keep the biblical nonsense to a minimum. It does not help you when you try to make a point.

Loudmouth said:

How were the charges "trumped up"? He was a tax fraud, and there is zero doubt about it. When you make a whole bunch of deposits just below $10k, you can't pretend that you didn't know what you were doing.

If he had plead guilty right away, he probably would have served a much shorter sentence.

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He would have gotten a lesser sentence had he not been a conservation/Creationist in the socialist USA. What planet does "tax evasion" get more time then a rapist??? Tax evasion isn't even constitutional. Can't wait for Ted Cruz to put an end to the IRS.

PsychoSarah said:

Actually, YHWH is extremely inconsistent. For example, while Abraham sacrificing Isaac was halted, a similar situation later in the bible in which YHWH tells a man to sacrifice his child doesn't have that child saved. They get stabbed and die. More than half of the people YHWH "gives favor to" have previously broken commandments or go on to break them. Also, I wonder how many Christians get a heads up that they are going to die in a car crash, or get cancer, or lose their jobs.

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Isaac was a picture of what God the Father had to do to God the Son except His Son did die. It was a test of Abraham's obedience. Abraham believed God's promises "even to the point of Isaac being raised from the dead".

Why would/should they get a heads up about a future happening?

Jay Follett said:

We can only guess from your comments that he or someone in his organisation has suckered you into giving him money.
Everything about the man is a con, even his bogus degree was store bought, he's a book and video seller who tells lies to people who he knows will never check to see if he's telling lies, he runs a money making racket that's all he does.

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Nope. and nope.

Subduction Zone said:

How was my remark snide in any way at all?

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You said that: "you seemed to think that 99% of the scientists in the world were in a conspiracy. " That is a personal attack on me. As my high school son says: people make personal attacks when they can not defend their argument.

mickiio said:

He would have gotten a lesser sentence had he not been a conservation/Creationist in the socialist USA. What planet does "tax evasion" get more time then a rapist??? Tax evasion isn't even constitutional. Can't wait for Ted Cruz to put an end to the IRS.

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Not constitutional?

Gee, I guess Kenny didn't have a very good lawyer then.

joshua 1 9 said:

You said that: "you seemed to think that 99% of the scientists in the world were in a conspiracy. " That is a personal attack on me. As my high school son says: people make personal attacks when they can not defend their argument.

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Has your son ever read your posts?

joshua 1 9 said:

You said that: "you seemed to think that 99% of the scientists in the world were in a conspiracy. " That is a personal attack on me. As my high school son says: people make personal attacks when they can not defend their argument.

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No, that was an observation. That was not a personal attack. You do realize that practically all scientists accept the theory of evolution, don't you? The number that don't is extremely small. How would you explain that fact? And my comment included a qualifier. That means that is what your posts come across to me as saying If you meant something else then please correct me. I am always open to being corrected.

And this is not a personal attack, but a suggestion. If a person cannot support their claims then they need to develop a bit of a tougher shell when their claims are shown to be false. I have seen many people request support for your claims and you are rather slow in supporting them. Regardless of which side one is on in a debate when one makes a claim the burden of proof is always upon the person that made that claim. You may rightfully demand evidence that supports my claim on how well accepted the theory of evolution is and I would be more than happy to supply it.

mickiio said:

He would have gotten a lesser sentence had he not been a conservation/Creationist in the socialist USA. What planet does "tax evasion" get more time then a rapist??? Tax evasion isn't even constitutional. Can't wait for Ted Cruz to put an end to the IRS.

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-_- no, his sentence was pretty standard for his crime. Also, I did a little research for the common penalties for first offenses in both rape and tax evasion.

Rape: 8-9 years in prison

Tax evasion: large fine and/or no longer than 5 year prison sentence.

If this was Hovind's first instance of tax evasion, and that was the only crime he was convicted of, a jail sentence of longer than 5 years would most certainly be odd.

Also, no country can exist without taxes.

mickiio said:

He would have gotten a lesser sentence had he not been a conservation/Creationist in the socialist USA.

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Evidence?

What planet does "tax evasion" get more time then a rapist???

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The one where the defendant is unrepentant and unwilling to admit any wrongdoing.

Tax evasion isn't even constitutional. Can't wait for Ted Cruz to put an end to the IRS.

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"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"--US Constitution, Article I, Section 8

Where conservatives come up with the bovine excrement that Congress can't impose tax law is beyond me.

Loudmouth said:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"--US Constitution, Article I, Section 8
Where conservatives come up with the bovine excrement that Congress can't impose tax law is beyond me.

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Most Republicans believe what they are told to believe, they do not check to see if what they are told is true they just believe it, if it sounds good they are more than prepared to believe it even if it's a lie, they believe Hovind even though he's a convicted felon because they want to believe Hovind, true has nothing to do with it.

Moreso said:

Most Republicans believe what they are told to believe, they do not check to see if what they are told is true they just believe it, if it sounds good they are more than prepared to believe it even if it's a lie, they believe Hovind even though he's a convicted felon because they want to believe Hovind, true has nothing to do with it.

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That claim applies to just about all of the party faithful, whether Democrat, Republican, or even some fringe party. Sadly the Republicans have been aiming at the deniers of science later lately. Both parties have a valid role to fill. Both innovators and those with a practical mind set and an eye on the budget are needed. Sadly we have a strange mixture of special interests and fear right now. Bernie Sanders may be impractical on many of his claims, but he does seem to have a valid point when he can show that the government spending alone on health care per capita is higher than most European countries that have government health care. In other words we are already essentially paying for health care through taxes so why don't we get it that way? I think that a huge part of that comes from the fact that most of the profits for big pharm seem to come from the U.S.. No other country pays anywhere near what we pay for drugs.

But back to Hovind, yes, he obviously broke the law and since he does not seem to have learned he may do so again.

Subduction Zone said:

But back to Hovind, yes, he obviously broke the law and since he does not seem to have learned he may do so again.

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What do unbelievers care?

They hired someone to break the law in 1925, so they could challenge creationism.

joshua 1 9 said:

I have no problem with the Good Arch Bishop Ushers book.

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Archbishop Ussher (1580-1656) spelled his name with a double 's'. Usher was the man whose house fell down, presumably because it had been built on sand.

AV1611VET said:

What do unbelievers care?

They hired someone to break the law in 1925, so they could challenge creationism.

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Wrong on more than one level. They did not hire someone so that they could challenge creationism. Creationism had already lost at that point in time. They hired someone to break an illegal law that harmed people. That law was an illegal law, meaning that it was not really a law. It was an example of injustice. I thought that Christians did not like injustice.

Astrophile said:

Archbishop Ussher (1580-1656) spelled his name with a double 's'. Usher was the man whose house fell down, presumably because it had been built on sand.

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Yeah, right! Archbishop Ussher since his ideas were "built on sand"

Astrophile said:

Archbishop Ussher (1580-1656) spelled his name with a double 's'. Usher was the man whose house fell down, presumably because it had been built on sand.

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Wrong, swing and a miss, nice try though.