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I am not talking about you at all. I am saying that the God of the Bible is very predictable. We have a covenant relationship with God. IF we do our part then we can be sure that God will do His part. So if you want to bet on God then you are pretty much betting on a sure thing. Because He tells us ahead of time exactly what He is going to do.
Actually, YHWH is extremely inconsistent. For example, while Abraham sacrificing Isaac was halted, a similar situation later in the bible in which YHWH tells a man to sacrifice his child doesn't have that child saved. They get stabbed and die. More than half of the people YHWH "gives favor to" have previously broken commandments or go on to break them. Also, I wonder how many Christians get a heads up that they are going to die in a car crash, or get cancer, or lose their jobs.
 
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Right.

That's why we're supposed to be marching off on a crusade across a flat earth, burning witches and stoning Sabbath workers picking up sticks on the way, humming tunes of genocide?
That kinda is what ended up happening in Africa thanks to evangelical influence.
 
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If you know the Bible better than I do, wouldn't that be kinda hard for me to show you to be in error?

And since you're such an expert, maybe you can help some of your cohorts with their problems with the Bible containing contradictions, eh?
I did not say that I know it better, I understand it better. You may have huge swaths memorized, I would not know for sure. That does not mean that you understand it better.

And what did you want to learn about the hundreds of contradictions in the Bible? Some are blatantly obvious. I would link a handy video on them but some of the moderators think that it is "blasphemous" just because it makes ignoring the contradictions look foolish.
 
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Actually, YHWH is extremely inconsistent. For example, while Abraham sacrificing Isaac was halted, a similar situation later in the bible in which YHWH tells a man to sacrifice his child doesn't have that child saved. They get stabbed and die. More than half of the people YHWH "gives favor to" have previously broken commandments or go on to break them. Also, I wonder how many Christians get a heads up that they are going to die in a car crash, or get cancer, or lose their jobs.
People do not always understand the warning. I had a dream recently that I should have put more effort into understanding because if I had I could have saved myself around $2,000. Just who was it that got stabbed and died?
 
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Yes I think Man created many gods. What does the presidential election have to do with this topic?
So does that make man smarter then the gods that he creates? Your statement was: "God is also a possibility, though i wouldnt put my money". So my response to that is what would you put your money on?
 
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If someone denies the hundreds of self contradictions in the Bible it says much more about that person than just a general ignorance of the Bible itself.
So let's see what 518 + 531 equal.

Correct my math here.

Since you said this:
In my opinion atheists have a better understanding of the Bible than most Christians since they do not have to explain why the obviously wrong parts of the Bible are true.
... you're saying that all an atheist has to do to have a better understanding of the Bible is agree that It has "hundreds of self contradictions"?

They don't need to know what they are, or the context, or anything else ... all they have to do is agree that It contradicts Itself?
 
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So let's see what 518 + 531 equal.

Correct my math here.

Since you said this:

... you're saying that all an atheist has to do to have a better understanding of the Bible is agree that It has "hundreds of self contradictions"?

They don't need to know what they are, or the context, or anything else ... all they have to do is agree that It contradicts Itself?

FWIW, I agree that many of the contradictions that atheists claim are rather easily explained in context. I hate those lists of "400 biblical contradictions," which contain stupid wording semantics, while disregarding the context. However, there are a significant amount of contradictions in which could not be satisfied, imo, even when I desperately wanted them to be. Many of them having to do with the crucifixion/resurrection stories.
 
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FWIW, I agree that many of the contradictions that atheists claim are rather easily explained in context. I hate those lists of "400 biblical contradictions," which contain stupid wording semantics, while disregarding the context. However, there are a significant amount of contradictions in which could not be satisfied, imo, even when I desperately wanted them to be. Many of them having to do with the crucifixion/resurrection stories.
I went ahead and "liked" your post, because I believe you're being sincere.

As far as the resurrection story goes, the Scofield Reference Bible does an excellent job in putting the Resurrection events in chronological order.
 
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So does that make man smarter then the gods that he creates? Your statement was: "God is also a possibility, though i wouldnt put my money". So my response to that is what would you put your money on?

I put my money, on what the verifiable evidence shows.
 
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I put my money, on what the verifiable evidence shows.
Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
 
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Thanks for the tip.
Your money is worthless in the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

It's different though on the kingdom of earth.

What's a brand new AV2016 King James McGraw-Hill science book cost in the university book store?

$275.00?
 
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Your money is worthless in the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

It's different though on the kingdom of earth.

What's a brand new AV2016 King James McGraw-Hill science book cost in the university book store?

$275.00?

Thanks for the info.
 
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I put my money, on what the verifiable evidence shows.
Then you would be save to put your money on the Bible because NOTHING has more verifiable evidence then the Bible. I suppose I am going to have to add when properly understood. Because the skeptic / scoffer dot com web sites love to confuse people and deceive them into misunderstanding the clear message God has for us in the Bible. Even God allows them to be given over to "the stubbornness of their heart". It would appear that people need to overcome this stubbornness to have a true, clear, concise understanding of the good news and the message that God has for us today in our generation.

11 But My people did not listen to My voice, And Israel did not obey Me.
12 So I gave them over to the stubbornness of their heart, To walk in their own devices.
(Psalm 81)
 
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Then you would be save to put your money on the Bible because NOTHING has more verifiable evidence then the Bible. I suppose I am going to have to add when properly understood. Because the skeptic / scoffer dot com web sites love to confuse people and deceive them into misunderstanding the clear message God has for us in the Bible. Even God allows them to be given over to "the stubbornness of their heart". It would appear that people need to overcome this stubbornness to have a true, clear, concise understanding of the good news and the message that God has for us today in our generation.

11 But My people did not listen to My voice, And Israel did not obey Me.
12 So I gave them over to the stubbornness of their heart, To walk in their own devices.
(Psalm 81)

Yea, you keep making the same claim and have yet to support it.

Tell you what, you put your money where you deem is best and I will do the same.
 
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