Why did Jesus have to die?

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Why did Jesus have to die? This is the question posed. Most of us will come back with a programmed response, but who among us have deeply studied this question? I think this question deserves a measured and studied response. If your response is "to save us", please feel free to elaborate specifically what His death is saving us from and how it accomplished that purpose.

there are a lot of reasons for Jesus' death, for example He had to fulfill the prophecy about the antichrist, presented mainly in the book of Daniel, so that He might prevent quite the more dangerous manifestation of satan from coming into the world, so the Holy fulfillment of that prophecy superseded its old(imperfect), and much more dangerous, fulfillment which could be fulfilled otherwise

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No, he died because God in His mercy prevented him from eating from the tree of life, otherwise he would have lived physically forever. Just as scripture clearly tells us.

Which also proves he was not immortal so he died because he was mortal as I have been saying. Old age killed Adam and that was not caused by sin.
 
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Why did Jesus have to die? This is the question posed. Most of us will come back with a programmed response, but who among us have deeply studied this question? I think this question deserves a measured and studied response. If your response is "to save us", please feel free to elaborate specifically what His death is saving us from and how it accomplished that purpose.
OK, so I might be repeating what others have said, and my knowledge of Judaism might be rusty, but here goes...

Once a year, on the Day of Atonement, the High Priest would go into the Holy of Holies in the Temple and atone for the sins of God's people, Israel. The High Priest in effect would take all the sins of the people upon himself and present himself to God and ask for his forgiveness. But the Angel of Death had to pass over the houses of the people who were protected by God's grace - a lamb had to be sacrificed to God as well. Every year. Israel's relationship with God was conducted solely through the High Priest - he was the only one allowed to go into the holiest part of the Temple, behind the curtain, where there was the Ark of the Covenant. So, individuals could not go directly to God, they had to go through the priest.

So... in relation to Jesus. He was the Passover Lamb. There had to be a sacrifice to God in order that Israel would be spared. Jesus had to die. There is a better explanation than this, but in a nutshell.
 
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Spiritual death comes through sin, and before Jesus died, he said "It is finished" in regards to the power of sin, being overcome, finished with. Then Jesus died to engage the power of death, to overcome death, mens' and womens' greatest enemy, a curse that came through Adam and Eve sinning, and Jesus proved victorious in the resurrection. Physical death is defeated! Paul then asks "death, where is your sting?" Revelations says that those who take part in the first resurrection will have power over death...
 
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Spiritual death comes through sin, and before Jesus died, he said "It is finished" in regards to the power of sin, being overcome, finished with.

No. His Earthly mission was finished.


Then Jesus died to engage the power of death, to overcome death, mens' and womens' greatest enemy, a curse that came through Adam and Eve sinning, and Jesus proved victorious in the resurrection. Physical death is defeated!

No again. Physical death continued and still continues today. Jesus did not come to end physical death. God cares about stopping the second death not the first death.


Paul then asks "death, where is your sting?" Revelations says that those who take part in the first resurrection will have power over death...

The second death.
 
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No. His Earthly mission was finished.




No again. Physical death continued and still continues today. Jesus did not come to end physical death. God cares about stopping the second death not the first death.




The second death.
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Romans 6:9 KJV
Not because He ate from the fruit of the tree of life. Jesus is God and God cannot die. There was no second death in Jesus.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4 KJV
This order mentioned we now live in because Adam sinned and Satan cursed the world. Because of the resurrection physical death will pass away.

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 25:8 KJV
Jesus resurrection is the victory, not just the tree of life. Done in love, wiping away tears, their bodies never die or grow old or get ill.

There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. Isaiah 65:20 KJV
The blessing comes incrementally, Paul can ask "death where is your sting", later Jesus returns, and people live long, not 400 but to 100 at least. In the end, there is no more death for the just. In the new Jerusalem.
 
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Nothing in the Genesis account shows physical death was a result of his sin in fact since he died the day he sinned we know physical death was not the death promised to him to happen that same day. There was no "you will die that day, then you will die hundreds of years later also" as part of his punishment.

Physical death is purely a result of being created mortal. Any human will die whether they are sinless or they have sinned or sinned and were forgiven.

God killed the first animals (the first blood sacrifice) to make them clothes to cover the shame of their nakedness.

Genesis 3:21
21 Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.

God requires a blood sacrifice to cover sin because the life of a creature is in the blood. (And death has always been the penalty of sin - Genesis 2:17, Romans 6:23.)

Leviticus 17:11
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’

Hebrews 9:22
22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

This is why Jesus' blood had to be shed, because we needed a perfect sacrifice - a sinless man. The only hope we had of forgiveness was God becoming man and offering His own blood as a sacrifice.

Isaiah 59:15b-16
Then the Lord saw it, and it displeased Him
That there was no justice.
16 He saw that there was no man,
And wondered that there was no intercessor;
Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him;
And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.
 
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Why did Jesus have to die? This is the question posed. Most of us will come back with a programmed response, but who among us have deeply studied this question? I think this question deserves a measured and studied response. If your response is "to save us", please feel free to elaborate specifically what His death is saving us from and how it accomplished that purpose.

If you are still reading these....

We needed a perfect blood sacrifice to cover our sins.

I recommend listening to and/or reading the sermon notes for The Necessity of Changing Races:

https://www.mcleanbible.org/sermons/necessity-changing-races-0

Here are a few others:

https://www.mcleanbible.org/sermons/unless-you-eat-my-flesh-and-drink-my-blood

https://www.mcleanbible.org/sermons/work-christ

https://www.mcleanbible.org/sermons/my-blood-remission-sin

https://www.mcleanbible.org/sermons/what-jesus-did

https://www.mcleanbible.org/sermons/hebrews-superior-blood-christ-0
 
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Adam was direct of God, if he remained in grace and never sinned, how long do you think he would have lived?

Death came through sin, remember the words of the apostle Paul. Through one man death reigned. Jesus is the second Adam, who gives life.

Death is a spirit, not merely entropy.

This makes us go back to how to interpret Genesis. Bearing in mind fossils... There is theistic evolution, but then there is also a passage in which God breathes life into Adam personally, and later creates from him a female. To this comes the problem that, chimps and orangutans share 95% or more DNA in common with us.

Yes, death came through sin, not through evolution as God's underpowered means of creating. Theistic evolution is a lie which confuses the foundation of the gospel. It is because death came from sin that Jesus had to die in order to redeem us. God made a perfect world with fully functioning humans and animals. There was no death until Adam sinned, even of animals. The fossil record shows animals eating other animals, disease, thorns... Definitely a post-curse world. Most of the fossils probably formed in the worldwide flood of Noah's day. After Adam and Eve sinned, God slew an animal (or animals) to make clothes clothes of skins to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness/shame (Genesis 3:21). It seems this was the first death and the first blood sacrifice. In the future, when Jesus reigns on the earth, the animals will be vegetarian again and they'll go back to their Edenic disposition (see Isaiah 11 and 65). Death--even animal death--is a reflection of sin's affect on our world.
 
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I don't really understand this either, tbh, bc God could have forgiven debts without the sacrifice of Jesus' life.

He can't just forgive because He is just and holy. Sin must be punished appropriately and that's by a suitable blood sacrifice (lest a person pay for their sins eternally and be cut off from God forever). I recommend you listen to one or more of the sermons I posted in #73.
 
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He can't just forgive because He is just and holy. Sin must be punished appropriately and that's by a suitable blood sacrifice (lest a person pay for their sins eternally and be cut off from God forever). I recommend you listen to one or more of the sermons I posted in #73.

k, I'll look back at your post. That still doesn't make sense to me. God is God. He can forgive as he chooses.
 
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k, I'll look back at your post. That still doesn't make sense to me. God is God. He can forgive as he chooses.

He is a holy God and cannot abide with sin. He is also just. If He "just forgave" He would not be just. There's a price to be paid for sin. The first sermon I posted is probably my favorite (I can remember the title and main Scriptures five years later) but all of them are excellent and he explains it well. This is really foundational to the gospel. Jesus wouldn't have died if He didn't have to do it in order to redeem us.
 
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He is a holy God and cannot abide with sin. He is also just. If He "just forgave" He would not be just. There's a price to be paid for sin. The first sermon I posted is probably my favorite (I can remember the title and main Scriptures five years later) but all of them are excellent and he explains it well. This is really foundational to the gospel. Jesus wouldn't have died if He didn't have to do it in order to redeem us.

I think God can do anything. I think forgiving would be showing grace. Having grace isn't abiding w sin.

This is another q. Why did Jesus ask why he was being forsaken by God?
 
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I think God can do anything. I think forgiving would be showing grace. Having grace isn't abiding w sin.

This is another q. Why did Jesus ask why he was being forsaken by God?

Grace isn't possible without justice. Because Jesus died for our sins, God is able to extend grace to us. The penalty of our sins was paid in full. So God is still holy and God is still just, and we can approach Him without condemnation.

"Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" translated, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" is a quote from Psalms 22:1. We don't know for sure, but many have surmised that while Jesus bore the sins of many on the cross that the Father perhaps turned His face away because He couldn't look on the sin.
 
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