Open Challenge - Explain why Israel is important from the NT

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The regathering spoken of in the prophecies will be after Messiah has come, and Ezekiel 20:33-38 explicitly says that as they return the rebels among them will be purged out, so, even though these rebels will be brought out of the country where they dwell, they shall not enter the land of Israel. To even try to pretend that this has ever happened is nothing short of nonsense.
The fulfilment of Ezekiel 20:33-38 will happen soon after the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. His Day of outpoured wrath, that will kill His enemies and test every persons worth. 1 Corinthians 3:11-13
The Lord will be revealed to His people, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, He will pass them under the rod of judgement, then allow them to enter and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 60:1-5, Isaiah 49:8, Ezekiel 34:27-31

It isn't until at least 7 + years later, that Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.
 
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The fulfilment of Ezekiel 20:33-38 will happen soon after the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. His Day of outpoured wrath, that will kill His enemies and test every persons worth. 1 Corinthians 3:11-13
The Lord will be revealed to His people, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, He will pass them under the rod of judgement, then allow them to enter and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 60:1-5, Isaiah 49:8, Ezekiel 34:27-31

It isn't until at least 7 + years later, that Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.

Your concept of Tribulation is a long time. My theory is that the sixth seal will take place in the sixth year of a seven year Tribulation (consisting of all seven seals, trumpets and bowls).

I don't understand why you write authoritatively about your theories. It would be better if you said, "My theory is..." rather than, "[Such and such which isn't clearly spoken in the Bible] will happen..."
 
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This assertion simply denies the facts on the ground.
A part of the Israelites, the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, has gone back to a part of the holy Land. They are in serious rebellion to God and denial of Jesus. Their return fulfills the prophecy of Jesus, of the budding of the fig tree. Matthew 24:32

and what of the budding of all of the trees luke 21:29?

were all the nations founded in 1948? of course not!

quite ripping matthew 24:3 out of its context.
 
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I believe the current state of Israel is on the brink of a catastrophic war of annihilation. In fact, the entire Middle East has become a powder keg ready to explode. Much of this danger is attributed to Iran (Persia's) ascension as a regional power, (dubbed the Persian Spring by Middle East political experts). Hundreds of billions of dollars in European investment is pouring into Iran (along with Russia and China). Billions of dollars in oil revenue has been released to the Iranians with no requirement they show compliance with the Nuclear Deal reached in 2015.

As a consequence of the weak Iran Nuclear Deal, Arab countries like Saudi Arabia are rushing to aquire nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems (mostly from North Korea, China and Pakistan). Five Arab countries (including Saudi Arabia) have contracted for nuclear reactor deals with Russia since 2015. A full scale Nuclear Arms Race has begun in the Middle East.

Iranian military influence has spread to Iraq and Syria. Iranian Republican Guard and Hezbollah are fighting alongside Russian ground forces in Syria. Under the protection of Russian airpower and electronic counter measures (ECM) NATO, Israeli and U.S. satellite and drone surveillance are unable to track IRAN's preparations for war in Syria.

The kind of missiles IRAN and Hezbollah have recently positioned in Syria are not the old style inaccurate "katusha" rockets with a limited 15 mile range everyone is familiar with from the last Lebanon War a decade ago. The newer Russian missiles are sophisticated over the horizon, GPS guided, supersonic missiles (some with a 2,000 lb. payload, capable of delivering HE and chemical weapons) and able to target five major Israeli cities, as well as individual ships in the Israeli port city of Haifa forty miles inside of Israel. Estimates are Hezbollah could already have as many as 100,000 thousand of these missiles in place in Lebanon and Syria.

What will Israel do when Iran and Hezbollah starts raining thousands of these deadly missiles down on Israel ?! Go head to head with the Russian air force and their 400-S anti-aircraft missile systems in Syria ?! Invade Syria and go up against the thousands of Russian special forces dug in there ?! Nuke Damascus ?!

What will Vladimir Putin do with the Russian Typhoon nuclear submarine and the guided missile cruiser Moskava he has stationed off the coast of Syria if Israel does nuke Damascus ?! Nothing ???

Does anybody seriously believe Vladimir Putin is going to allow Israel and the West to build a Natural Gas Pipeline across the Mediterranean Sea to Turkey connecting Europe to Israel's Leviathan Gas Fields, thus breaking Russia's stranglehold of natural gas on Western Europe ?! The renowned political analysts Marvin Kalb doesn't seem to think so.

I think we are on the brink of a Third World War, that's going to begin in the Middle East and quickly spread to Europe and beyond. Looks to me like we're about three moves away from checkmate and a Nuclear Armageddon. I believe all the End Time prophecies of the Bible are about to be fulfilled. It is going to happen with such speed and ferocity students of eschatology are going to be in absolute shock.
 
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Actually, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. So in this case, you are entirely correct. There is indeed "not a single verse or passage in the bible that supports the idea that Israel will be regathered in a state of rebellion or disbelief."

The regathering spoken of in the prophecies will be after Messiah has come, and Ezekiel 20:33-38 explicitly says that as they return the rebels among them will be purged out, so, even though these rebels will be brought out of the country where they dwell, they shall not enter the land of Israel. To even try to pretend that this has ever happened is nothing short of nonsense.

Since the Jews had been expelled from the land for over one and a half thousand years, students of Bible prophecy have long been well aware that they would return. (The earliest explicit discussion of this return that I personally know about was published by William Lowth, who was born in 1661.) But the present return "in a state of both rebellion and disbelief" was indeed never prophesied, as such.

Although not even one prophecy speaks of their being "regathered in a state of rebellion or disbelief," a large number of passages clearly show them in the land "in a state of rebellion and disbelief" during the seventieth week.

But this discussion hes veered off course. The subject is supposed to be New Testament comments about a future program for Israel. And I noticed that, although I posted (in this thread) a number of New Testament passages about this, no one seems to have even noticed them.

there is a huge difference between israel's apostacy and israel being regathered whilst in apostacy.

ezekiel 20:37-38 is in perfect harmony with deut. 28-30 and lev. 26. find just 1 prophetic passage that conflicts with deut. 28-30 and lev. 26. just one, bw?

you and i both know physical circumcision was fulfilled and removed in christ, right?

but i dont think you dispensationalists realize that physical circumcision was the title deed of the land promise. see genesis 17:14 & joshua 5.

no circumcision, NO LAND!

what does colossians 3:11 & romans 2:28-29 & galatians 5:1-5 say about physical circumcision which is title deed itself of the land promise?

was the promise of the seed and its blessing given before circumcision or after circumcision?

children after the flesh which is physical circumcision arent the children of god but the children of the promise which are the children of god and abraham's true offspring whom are circumcized of the heart not after the flesh and seek a heavenly city who's builder and maker is god and a heavenly country --- galatians 4:25-26; hebrews 11:10,16; & 12:22

you dispensationalists have been hoodwinked and bamboozled by darby and scofield.

the title deed of the land i.e. circumcision has been permanently removed in christ. >>>>> GENESIS 17:14 & JOSHUA 5!
 
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My challenge to you is this: what evidence can you provide from the NT stating that the physical land of Israel, the temple, and the "Jewish race" is important today, and since the Resurrection?
Study the Epistle to the Romans chapters 9-11. That's my challenge to you. And keep in mind that the restored kingdom of Israel must be restored to the land of Israel, as stated in the Abrahamic Covenant.

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them,It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Acts 1:6,7).
 
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Job 8,

Thanks for the recommendation to study Romans 9 - 11. I have done so and believe (like the vast majority of Christians around the world) that it is not saying what you think it saying. Romans 9 - 11 is stating that God is sovereign and that his plan is, and always has been, to gather all nations together for himself and his Glory.
 
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another thing Job 8. What are you saying that Acts 1:6-7 is saying? That Jesus will restore the kingdom to a physical Israel? Obviously that is not the case. All this passage is saying is the following:
1. The disciples asked Jesus if he would kick the Romans out
2. Jesus didn't answer that question, except to say that the Lord has a plan (which may or may not include a physical Israel) and it is not for us to know the plan.
 
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As everyone should know Israel and Palestine have suffered a water crisis.

Israel has aquifers in Israel, Jordan river basin, and desalination plants. However, Israel takes over 80% of the water from the West Bank mountain aquifer each year.

Ramallah has an annual rainfall of 619mm by comparision London as an annual rainfall of 596mm. The WHO insist the recommended 100 liters of water per a day per person is absolutely vital.

Average Israeli uses 300 liters of water per person daily (200 liters above the recommended)
Average Londoner uses 150 liters of water per person daily (50 liters above the recommended)
Average Palestinian receives 70 liters of water per person (30 liters below the recommended)
But upwards of 200,000 Palestinians receive only 20 liters of water daily

Why?

1. Appropriation of water sources - Israeli authorities control all major water sources in the West Bank and determines how much water Palestinians can use.

2. Control of supply - Israeli authorities enforce annual quotas on the amount of water available to Palestinians.

3. Obstruction of development - No new Palestinian wells approved by Israeli authorities in the most productive Western aquifer since 1967.

4. Destruction of infrastructure - In 2011, Israeli military demolished 89 Palestinian water-related structures, including 21 wells and 34 rainwater cisterns essential for agriculture and herding.
 
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Your concept of Tribulation is a long time. My theory is that the sixth seal will take place in the sixth year of a seven year Tribulation (consisting of all seven seals, trumpets and bowls).
The Great Tribulation only lasts for 1260 days and Jesus Returns on the 1261st day.
Moving the Sixth Seal out of it's given sequence, is an error. Proved by how seals on a scroll must be removed before the scroll can be unrolled and read.
I don't understand why you write authoritatively about your theories. It would be better if you said, "My theory is..." rather than, "[Such and such which isn't clearly spoken in the Bible] will happen..."
I write with authority because what I post is not my theories, ideas, or fanciful notions, but the Prophetic Word. I back up what the Bible tells us with scriptures from every book of the Bible and as I have written over 500 articles, mostly on the prophesies, I know it very well. My task is to be a messenger, what my name means.
Psalms 119:17-18
 
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The fulfilment of Ezekiel 20:33-38 will happen soon after the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. His Day of outpoured wrath, that will kill His enemies and test every persons worth. 1 Corinthians 3:11-13
The Lord will be revealed to His people, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, He will pass them under the rod of judgement, then allow them to enter and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 60:1-5, Isaiah 49:8, Ezekiel 34:27-31

It isn't until at least 7 + years later, that Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.
That already happened Keras...ever read Ezra or Nehemiah?

Also interesting is verse 36 of Ezekiel 20...did you miss that?:
36 As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will enter into judgment with you,” declares the Lord God.

After Israel was regathered...when did God enter into judgment with them?
 
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did any of you know Israel is a world leader in white slavery / sex trafficking?

this criminal industry run by the jewish mafia earns an estimated 1 billion dollars annually.

eastern european / russian women and girls make-up 90% of the sex trafficking victims in israel.

however prostitution has been legal in israel since its founding in 1948 and male prostitution was legalized in israel in 1954.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Israel

but organized prostitution is illegal in israel.

however israeli authorities have an increasingly difficult time identifying victims of the sex trade.
 
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did any of you know Israel is a world leader in white slavery / sex trafficking?

this criminal industry run by the jewish mafia earns an estimated 1 billion dollars annually.

eastern european / russian women and girls make-up 90% of the sex trafficking victims in israel.

however prostitution has been legal in israel since its founding in 1948 and male prostitution was legalized in israel in 1954.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Israel

but organized prostitution is illegal in israel.

however israeli authorities have an increasingly difficult time identifying victims of the sex trade.

That is hardly an example which condemn any one nation, because they all have organized crime. The truth is that the land mentioned in scripture, seen in the new covenant, is the spiritual kingdom of Christ. Its not actual land. When Christ said that whoever hears and obeys his words will be like a wise man who build his house on a rock...He was not referring to building a real building. When Paul said we are Gods field, he was not referring to an actual field either. Many of the OT prophecies are about this spiritual kingdom as well, and must be seen spiritually, and not with carnal eyes. The pharisees were looking with carnal eyes instead of spiritual ones, and that's why they didn't recognize Christ when he came. In my opinion.
 
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That is hardly an example which condemn any one nation, because they all have organized crime. The truth is that the land mentioned in scripture, seen in the new covenant, is the spiritual kingdom of Christ. Its not actual land. When Christ said that whoever hears and obeys his words will be like a wise man who build his house on a rock...He was not referring to building a real building. When Paul said we are Gods field, he was not referring to an actual field either. Many of the OT prophecies are about this spiritual kingdom as well, and must be seen spiritually, and not with carnal eyes. The pharisees were looking with carnal eyes instead of spiritual ones, and that's why they didn't recognize Christ when he came. In my opinion.

unless one proposes the state of israel is fulfilling covenantal prophecy then it becomes downright absurd, lurid, and obscene according to the law of return in deuteronomy 28-30, leviticus 26, and ezekiel 20:37-38.

why was israel scattered amongst the nations thrice before, again?????
 
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unless one proposes the state of israel is fulfilling covenantal prophecy then it becomes downright absurd, lurid, and obscene according to the law of return in deuteronomy 28-30, leviticus 26, and ezekiel 20:37-38.

why was israel scattered amongst the nations thrice before, again?????


Israel is the Church, not a denomination either, but all those who God has justified by faith in Christ. THe land is not a nation, its the spiritual kingdom. The promise of Abraham is fulfilled through Christ. Christ said His kingdom is not of this world. THe New Jerusalem is in Heaven. And WE are the Temple of God. Try looking at things that way, and you may be surprised by what you see in scripture.

Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise
 
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Israel is the Church, not a denomination either, but all those who God has justified by faith in Christ. THe land is not a nation, its the spiritual kingdom. The promise of Abraham is fulfilled through Christ. Christ said His kingdom is not of this world. THe New Jerusalem is in Heaven. And WE are the Temple of God. Try looking at things that way, and you may be surprised by what you see in scripture.
I look at prophecy literally, because that is the way it is written and to spiritualize what we are plainly told will happen, is an error.
Zechariah 9:14-17 The Lord will appear over them. His arrow will flash like lightning. The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the south. He will protect the sons of Zion, they will prevail [over their enemies] and exult as if drunk with wine.
On that Day, the Lord will save his own people, like a flock, for they are precious to Him and they will adorn His Land. They will live in plenty and prosperity.

Zechariah 10:1-3 Ask the Lord for rain, He who makes the storm clouds, and He will give it at the right time. Do not rely on divination. Your leaders do not give good counsel or guide the people properly. They will be punished.
Zechariah 10:4-7 The Lord will care for His flock. From Judah will come strong leaders, they will prevail, because the Lord is with them. I shall give triumph to the House of Judah and victory to the House of Joseph [Ephraim and Manasseh] I shall restore them, in My compassion, it will be as though I never cast them off. So, the Ephraimites will be like warriors, they will rejoice in the Lord.

Zechariah 10:8-10 I shall whistle to call them in, for I have delivered them and they will be as many as they used to be. I dispersed them among the nations, but yet, in far off lands, they will remember their God and will return. I will bring them home and lead them into [New] Israel until the Land is full.

Zechariah 10:11-12 My people will pass through Egypt – the Nile will dry up. Assyria will be brought low. But the strength of the Israelites is in the Lord, they will march proudly in His Name. This is the Word of the Lord. Ref: REB, NIV.

This passage of Scripture from the prophet Zechariah, is another example of how God exacts punishment on His enemies, lightning and storms, some of the effects of a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:25-28 “On that Day, God will save His own people”. They must rely and trust in the Lord for their redemption and sustenance. Isaiah 30:15
Wait for the whistle! Though scattered in far off lands, righteous Israel, now every true Christian person, Galatians 3:26-29, will acknowledge their God and will move into the holy Land, their inheritance – marching proudly in the Name of the Lord. Isaiah 35:1-10

This gathering cannot be the same event as when the Lord Jesus, sends out His angels to gather His chosen ones at the Return. Matthew 24:31. Therefore, it happens before then, soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as we see in Revelation 7:9. This is in order for the Lord’s people, living in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, to be a “light to the nations” and to prepare for the Return of Jesus.
That already happened Keras...ever read Ezra or Nehemiah?
I am quite familiar with how just Judah came back to the Land after the Babylonian conquest. What happened then, in no way matches what is yet to happen, when all the Israelites, now every true Christian as you point out in Galatians 3:26-28, will go to live in all of the holy Land.
 
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why was israel scattered amongst the nations thrice before, again?????

The sign of Jonah

What you said above got me thinking. Remember what Christ said to the pharisees? He said an evil generation looks for a sign, but the only one that will be given to it is the sign of Jonah. This was seen in Christs laying in the tomb and then being resurrected i suppose, but perhaps its also seen in how Israel was conquered that many times, and the kingdom promise was finally realized in Christ, after he rose from the dead and went to heaven. Its there that the kingdom is seen, not on earth. Just as the flesh profits nothing, and it was crucified, so earthly nations also profit nothing and are crucified. The righteousness that is by the law, which Paul speaks of in Philippians, this, in my opinion, refers also to the carnal law of "earthly" Israel. That's why Paul said he counts all things as a loss, even his earthly citizenship. His wish is to be resurrected with Christ in His Heavenly kingdom, not an earthly one. THe flesh profits nothing, just as Christ has said.. All things are spiritual now. All things are New.


Colossians 3 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your[a] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

Phillipians 3:7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in[a] Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Following Paul’s Example
15 All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do. 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
 
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I look at prophecy literally, because that is the way it is written and to spiritualize what we are plainly told will happen, is an error.
Zechariah 9:14-17 The Lord will appear over them. His arrow will flash like lightning. The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the south. He will protect the sons of Zion, they will prevail [over their enemies] and exult as if drunk with wine.
On that Day, the Lord will save his own people, like a flock, for they are precious to Him and they will adorn His Land. They will live in plenty and prosperity.


Zechariah 10:1-3 Ask the Lord for rain, He who makes the storm clouds, and He will give it at the right time. Do not rely on divination. Your leaders do not give good counsel or guide the people properly. They will be punished.
Zechariah 10:4-7 The Lord will care for His flock. From Judah will come strong leaders, they will prevail, because the Lord is with them. I shall give triumph to the House of Judah and victory to the House of Joseph [Ephraim and Manasseh] I shall restore them, in My compassion, it will be as though I never cast them off. So, the Ephraimites will be like warriors, they will rejoice in the Lord.

Zechariah 10:8-10 I shall whistle to call them in, for I have delivered them and they will be as many as they used to be. I dispersed them among the nations, but yet, in far off lands, they will remember their God and will return. I will bring them home and lead them into [New] Israel until the Land is full.

Zechariah 10:11-12 My people will pass through Egypt – the Nile will dry up. Assyria will be brought low. But the strength of the Israelites is in the Lord, they will march proudly in His Name. This is the Word of the Lord. Ref: REB, NIV.

This passage of Scripture from the prophet Zechariah, is another example of how God exacts punishment on His enemies, lightning and storms, some of the effects of a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:25-28 “On that Day, God will save His own people”. They must rely and trust in the Lord for their redemption and sustenance. Isaiah 30:15
Wait for the whistle! Though scattered in far off lands, righteous Israel, now every true Christian person, Galatians 3:26-29, will acknowledge their God and will move into the holy Land, their inheritance – marching proudly in the Name of the Lord. Isaiah 35:1-10

This gathering cannot be the same event as when the Lord Jesus, sends out His angels to gather His chosen ones at the Return. Matthew 24:31. Therefore, it happens before then, soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as we see in Revelation 7:9. This is in order for the Lord’s people, living in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, to be a “light to the nations” and to prepare for the Return of Jesus.

I am quite familiar with how just Judah came back to the Land after the Babylonian conquest. What happened then, in no way matches what is yet to happen, when all the Israelites, now every true Christian as you point out in Galatians 3:26-28, will go to live in all of the holy Land.

I take prophecy literally as well. I just see it with spiritual eyes rather than our carnal ones. I see it in my heart and in scripture as i read.
 
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there is a huge difference between israel's apostacy and israel being regathered whilst in apostacy.

ezekiel 20:37-38 is in perfect harmony with deut. 28-30 and lev. 26. find just 1 prophetic passage that conflicts with deut. 28-30 and lev. 26. just one, bw?

you and i both know physical circumcision was fulfilled and removed in christ, right?

but i dont think you dispensationalists realize that physical circumcision was the title deed of the land promise. see genesis 17:14 & joshua 5.

no circumcision, NO LAND!

what does colossians 3:11 & romans 2:28-29 & galatians 5:1-5 say about physical circumcision which is title deed itself of the land promise?

was the promise of the seed and its blessing given before circumcision or after circumcision?

children after the flesh which is physical circumcision arent the children of god but the children of the promise which are the children of god and abraham's true offspring whom are circumcized of the heart not after the flesh and seek a heavenly city who's builder and maker is god and a heavenly country --- galatians 4:25-26; hebrews 11:10,16; & 12:22

you dispensationalists have been hoodwinked and bamboozled by darby and scofield.

the title deed of the land i.e. circumcision has been permanently removed in christ. >>>>> GENESIS 17:14 & JOSHUA 5!

In your constant attack, you not only display almost total ignorance of what Dispensationalists actually teach. You also display the fact that you do not even bother to carefully read the posts you are trying to answer.

For I completely agreed with you, that there is not even one prophecy anywhere about a return of Israel in unbelief. You keep trying to correct me, and to teach me that they will not return in unbelief, when I said exactly the same thing as you said.

You also try to answer me by posting many details about how evil the present Jewish state is, but that also is exactly what I said. The prophecies in the Bible are very explicit abut how evil this nation will be when the end times begin.

So please, read people's posts instead of simply reacting to them emotionally. You are only making yourself look foolish.
 
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