Why did Jesus have to die?

GoldenKingGaze

Prevent Slavery, support the persecuted.
Mar 12, 2007
4,200
518
Visit site
✟249,401.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
AU-Labor
Eventually people won't die anymore, but first Jesus must return, and living to 400 is mentioned in the OT. Jesus can instill a great power in the elect as in Revelation it is written, blessed are they that take part in the first resurrection, death shall have no power over them.
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
These bodies die, but that is not the end of us, is it?


No, so when scripture says the wages of sin are death, it's not talking about the death of our mortal bodies is it?
 
Upvote 0

Steeno7

Not I...but Christ
Jan 22, 2014
4,446
561
ONUG
✟22,549.00
Faith
Christian
No, so when scripture says the wages of sin are death, it's not talking about the death of our mortal bodies is it?

It's talking about all of the death consequences of sin, both physical and spiritual death.

Christians actually believe we will live forever. Man's problem is that he is spiritually dead and needs life, and the only One who has the life we need is Christ Jesus. Christians are those who have already been made alive together with Christ, and the life we have in Christ is eternal. For Christians the physical death of the body is just a transition to a new context of life....a "graduation to glory."
 
Upvote 0

GoldenKingGaze

Prevent Slavery, support the persecuted.
Mar 12, 2007
4,200
518
Visit site
✟249,401.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Single
Politics
AU-Labor
The power of death that applies to our bodies, through sin, heart and soul then body, death's power had to be broken. Death had it's greatest interest in Jesus because they wanted His inheritance. Death was devised to take over the Godhead.

Jesus raised Lazarus, are you asking why Jesus and the whole Trinity doesn't simply raise the dead like that instead?
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
It's talking about all of the death consequences of sin, both physical and spiritual death.

Sin isn't the cause of physical death. Sin causes the spiritual death. Being mortal causes the physical death.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

ScottA

Author: Walking Like Einstein
Supporter
Feb 24, 2011
4,305
657
✟33,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Why did Jesus have to die? This is the question posed. Most of us will come back with a programmed response, but who among us have deeply studied this question? I think this question deserves a measured and studied response. If your response is "to save us", please feel free to elaborate specifically what His death is saving us from and how it accomplished that purpose.
The wages of sin...is death.
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Sure it is. Read the Genesis account. Sin caused spiritual death, and spiritual death made necessary physical death. (Gen. 3:22-24, 6:3)

Nothing in the Genesis account shows physical death was a result of his sin in fact since he died the day he sinned we know physical death was not the death promised to him to happen that same day. There was no "you will die that day, then you will die hundreds of years later also" as part of his punishment.

Physical death is purely a result of being created mortal. Any human will die whether they are sinless or they have sinned or sinned and were forgiven.
 
Upvote 0

Thursday

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2016
6,034
1,562
59
Texas
✟49,429.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Why did Jesus have to die? This is the question posed. Most of us will come back with a programmed response, but who among us have deeply studied this question? I think this question deserves a measured and studied response. If your response is "to save us", please feel free to elaborate specifically what His death is saving us from and how it accomplished that purpose.


I believe God wanted to understand the entire human condition.

Without becoming one of us he could not feel what we feel.
 
  • Like
Reactions: com7fy8
Upvote 0

Steeno7

Not I...but Christ
Jan 22, 2014
4,446
561
ONUG
✟22,549.00
Faith
Christian
Nothing in the Genesis account shows physical death was a result of his sin in fact since he died the day he sinned we know physical death was not the death promised to him to happen that same day. There was no "you will die that day, then you will die hundreds of years later also" as part of his punishment.

Physical death is purely a result of being created mortal. Any human will die whether they are sinless or they have sinned or sinned and were forgiven.

They died spiritually in the day that they ate, and physically many years later. The loss of spiritual life and the need to be prevented from living physically forever, all stems from their sin. Or do you think God was wrong when He declared that if not barred from the tree of life man would live forever??
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
They died spiritually in the day that they ate, and physically many years later.

Yes but they only died physically because they were mortal.

Or do you think God was wrong when He declared that if not barred from the tree of life man would live forever??

That proves that Adam was never immortal. He had a chance to become immortal but God blocked that from happening. This whole idea that Adam was immortal and then lost immortality is not in the bible. It's all based on the misunderstanding that his sin caused him to become mortal then eventually die when in fact he was mortal from the very beginning and could only become mortal if he ate from the tree of life but he choose the other tree.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Steeno7

Not I...but Christ
Jan 22, 2014
4,446
561
ONUG
✟22,549.00
Faith
Christian
Yes but they only died physically because they were mortal.



That proves that Adam was never immortal. He had a chance to become immortal but God blocked that from happening. This whole idea that Adam was immortal and then lost immortality is not in the bible. It's all based on the misunderstanding that his sin caused him to become mortal then eventually die when in fact he was mortal from the very beginning and could only become mortal if he ate from the tree of life but he choose the other tree.

I supplied you with the scriptural support for my undersranding. But you are of course welcome to your own opinion.
 
Upvote 0

com7fy8

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2013
13,648
6,107
Massachusetts
✟583,317.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Why did Jesus have to die?
We could not die right for our own sins. But Jesus did our dying humbly and obediently and "as a sweet-smelling aroma." (in Ephesians 5:2) So, Jesus was sweet about it, pleasing our Father to forgive us and reconcile with us.

But, also, this is our example, now, of all that is required of us >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, and offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

Now that Jesus has so suffered and died sweetly for us, we are required to be sweetly and kindly patient and forgiving.

So, yes Jesus on the cross was there in order for us to be forgiven and reconciled, but also as God's prototype of how He desires for all of us to become (Romans 8:29) and live in love (1 John 4:17), and how to make only sacrifices which are in obedience to our Father and done sweetly (Matthew 11:28-30).

I believe God wanted to understand the entire human condition.

Without becoming one of us he could not feel what we feel.
I think you could be right >

"For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

And, again, this is our example, of how we all are called to use our troubles to help us feel for others and understand what they are going through, then help them with the grace which makes us able to handle problems creatively with God in His love. So, Jesus on the cross was starting this priesthood of all of us who use our problems to understand and help others > see also 2 Corinthians 1:3-4.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Thursday
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
A God with limitations is not God.


Unless God decided to have limitations because he is God and can do anything. God is a Trinity and one of that Trinity did come and be lower than the angels and be born a human being. Any limitations were self imposed although I don't see experiencing human life as a Godly limitation per se'. Christ could have done anything had he wanted but he choose not to do certain things because it was not part of the overall plan.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

JackRT

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Oct 17, 2015
15,722
16,445
80
small town Ontario, Canada
✟767,295.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Unorthodox
Marital Status
Married
Unless God decided to have limitations because he is God and can do anything. God is a Trinity and one of that Trinity did come and be lower than the angels and be born a human being. Any limitations were self imposed although I don't see experiencing human life as a Godly limitation per se'. Christ could have done anything had he wanted but he choose not to do certain things because it was not part of the overall plan.

I am well aware that "Trinity" is one of a number of possible Christian theological interpretations.
 
Upvote 0