Is Jesus God himself or the son of God?

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Just to clarify, Orthodox theology believes the Son is begotten, not made; that is to say, begotten of the Father before all worlds, but uncreated. The Father alone is both uncreated and unoriginate; the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him, and the Son is Begotten of Him.

See: the Nicene Creed, Orthodox Dogmatic Theology by Protopresbyter Michael Pmozansky, De Incarnatione by St. Athanasius the Great, the Orthodox Way by ++Kallistos of Diokleia.

Thank you. I was quite careless. It's even in the Nicene Creed: "Begotten, not made"
 
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I've been saved for 14 years but I somewhat still feel like a new Christian as I am 28 but I've wondered this also and I believe that Jesus is God in human form and his son? Is that right. And is the Holy Spirit like Spirit of God?
The truth of God revealed in Three Persons is wonderful and Biblical. The end of Matthew 28, John's Gospel, especially chapters 13 thru 17 and John's First Epistle all contain helpful verses about Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 
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I have now started on the book of Revelations and not understanding this, if God was Jesus himself then why is Jesus referred to as the "son of God"?

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten
of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

This gives no doubt that it was Jesus
who made everything including the earth, heavens, sun, moon, oceans and He
created man as seen in the first 3 scriptures of the Gospel of John. But verse
14 tells us that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us as the true Son of
God.

The four gospels show Jesus as a Lion,
Calf, Man, and Eagle. The Eagle is symbolic of God. This is the message that
John brought in his gospel, that Jesus was in fact God who took on the form of
flesh and dwelt among us. less

Hi mike,

I go with Son of God. That's what God called him.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi mike,

I go with Son of God. That's what God called him.

"God" also called Jesus "God".

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

And in the first chp of john it says Jesus was God and was with God.

The main confusion is not recognizing when the full title needs to be used, "God the Father".

"And in the first chp of john it says Jesus was God (God the Son) and was with God (the Father)."

So Jesus is God, and is son of God (the Father).

No contradiction.
 
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"God" also called Jesus "God".

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

And in the first chp of john it says Jesus was God and was with God.

The main confusion is not recognizing when the full title needs to be used, "God the Father".

"And in the first chp of john it says Jesus was God (God the Son) and was with God (the Father)."

So Jesus is God, and is son of God (the Father).

No contradiction.

He ewq,

That's fine. I don't have any problem with that understanding either. Notice though, that even in saying that God called him God, the writer says that he said that unto the Son. I'm sticking with Son. For he has been manifest unto us with great signs and wonders to be the Son of God.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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He ewq,

That's fine. I don't have any problem with that understanding either. Notice though, that even in saying that God called him God, the writer says that he said that unto the Son. I'm sticking with Son. For he has been manifest unto us with great signs and wonders to be the Son of God.

But why deny him other titles? He is God. His Father said it, Thomas said it, Jesus said it himself. He isn't only the Son of God the Father but is also God. He is simply not God the Father because of Sonship but that doesn't change his own personal uncreated, immortal, eternal Godhood.
 
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I have now started on the book of Revelations and not understanding this, if God was Jesus himself then why is Jesus referred to as the "son of God"?
The term/title son of God doesn't really mean "offspring" as in our current terminology. During the time of the Gospels, the term "son of" was used as a way to describe a natural/physical manifestation. For example, the title the bible gave to Judas.. "judas son of Perdition". Perdition was not a physical-tangible thing, so how can Judas be an offspring? It just meant metaphorically natural form of it. Hence, with Jesus.. son of God renders as Physical Manifestation of God.
 
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The term/title son of God doesn't really mean "offspring" as in our current terminology.

Actually it does. It can have a literal or symbolic meaning. Jesus is the only begotten son of God which is a literal offspring.


During the time of the Gospels, the term "son of" was used as a way to describe a natural/physical manifestation.

Otherwords, a son.

For example, the title the bible gave to Judas.. "judas son of Perdition". Perdition was not a physical-tangible thing, so how can Judas be an offspring?

Symbolically. He was a son of Satan. Remember the serpent was to have his seed according to Genesis.


Hence, with Jesus.. son of God renders as Physical Manifestation of God.

Jesus was more than that because he was the only begotten son of God the Father.

Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
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I have now started on the book of Revelations and not understanding this, if God was Jesus himself then why is Jesus referred to as the "son of God"?
Because within the triune Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God, yet three distinct Divine Persons. The Father addresses the Son as God.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God [Theos], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God [Theos], even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Hebrews 1:8,9).
 
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Admin Hat...

Theology is a Christian Only area; as such, posts against or denying the Trinity as well as the dual nature of Christ; human and Divine at the same time are against the rules here. Therefore, the thread is being cleaned up a bit also.

Mark
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Jesus Is God In The Jehovah Witness Kingdom Interlinear Greek Scriptures
 
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The term/title son of God doesn't really mean "offspring" as in our current terminology. During the time of the Gospels, the term "son of" was used as a way to describe a natural/physical manifestation. For example, the title the bible gave to Judas.. "judas son of Perdition". Perdition was not a physical-tangible thing, so how can Judas be an offspring? It just meant metaphorically natural form of it. Hence, with Jesus.. son of God renders as Physical Manifestation of God.
You are imposing meanings via Trinitarian presuppositions.
 
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Thank you. I was quite careless. It's even in the Nicene Creed: "Begotten, not made"
In the OT Bible uses begat to refer to offspring engendered by the male via conception.


verb (used with object), begot or (Archaic) begat; begotten or begot; begetting.
1.
(especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2.
to cause; produce as an effect:
a belief that power begets power
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/begat


In short, it means to bring into existence what had been previously non-existent.
 
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No, this is heterodox; from Scripture, as explained in the three Ecumenical Creeds (the second of which is the statement of faith for CF, this is the only only orthodox view (what you are describing is not trinitarian, but dualistic):
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In English:
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While entertaining this is also full of truth:

 
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