Syrian Christian leader tells West: 'Stop arming terror groups who are massacring our people'

Simply put, if you remove Assad before you exterminate isis, you will have isis in Damascus, and then it will be nearly impossible to destroy them.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

At this point, I don't see how you can credibly claim not to be a supporter of ISIS.

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Whilst I'm pleased to see ISIS losing ground, the strengthening of Assad's position is not conducive to long term peace in the region. The Gulf states will continue to fund resistance against him, as long as he controls part of Syria. There can be no long term peace while he holds onto his position.

Remember that Assad is a murderous butcher who does not deserve your support.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

At this point, I don't see how you can credibly claim not to be a supporter of ISIS.

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Nah, only one of us supports people who perform actions like Assad/allies except on a smaller scale. And it's not me.

I am not the one with the following logic
ISIS commits atrocities: bad. destroy them!
Assad commits a greater amount of similar atrocities: oh well. Support him because <3

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They're both evil. Assad is an even greater evil than ISIS, with him and his allies killing ~95% of the documented civilians killed so far in Syria.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

Nah, only one of us supports people who perform actions like Assad/allies except on a smaller scale. And it's not me.

I am not the one with the following logic
ISIS commits atrocities: bad. destroy them!
Assad commits a greater amount of similar atrocities: oh well. Support him because <3

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/713994709203611648

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They're both evil. Assad is an even greater evil than ISIS, with him and his allies killing ~95% of the documented civilians killed so far in Syria.

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LoveBeingAMuslimMan the only people being killed by the Syrian government forces are islamists.

wn123455 said:

LoveBeingAMuslimMan the only people being killed by the Syrian government forces are islamists.

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What's your point here?

crjmurray said:

What's your point here?

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Most of the Syrian rebels are Islamists.

wn123455 said:

Most of the Syrian rebels are Islamists.

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I guess I've missed something, I don't pretend to be informed here. Can you explain what you mean and what point you are making?

I was talking with a bunch of refugees from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria last night. The biggest thing they all shared was a deep fear and shared experience of pain and loss. The yearning in these people for peace and for freedom was clear. The fear was of that violent minority who hold the others ransom to brutal regimes or false Islamist ideologies. The one good thing this conflict has allowed is that a million or so people have begun their escape from the prison that is Muslim culture and have the possibility of a new life.

That said the only way to restore peace in Iraq and Syria is to ensure the victory of the established authorities. Millions of Islamists and their families may die in that settlement because the culture over there only allows brute force to prevail but in the end these are the only people able to give a semblance of protection to Christians and other minorities and to mediate the age old hatreds between Sunni and Shia.

Oafman said:

Whilst I'm pleased to see ISIS losing ground, the strengthening of Assad's position is not conducive to long term peace in the region. The Gulf states will continue to fund resistance against him, as long as he controls part of Syria. There can be no long term peace while he holds onto his position.

Remember that Assad is a murderous butcher who does not deserve your support.

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Or we reconsider our relationship with the Gulf States who are sponsoring this civil war and with our 2 faced Turkish ally who is more interested in murdering Kurds than peace!

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

Q: Has the regime emphasized Christians’ minority status since before the revolution, or have Christians started feeling this way after the revolution?

A: The relationship between Christians and the regime has been constant. It is a trade that has been planted in the hearts of priests, who trade all their political and economic rights for religious rights and freedom to practice their religion.

They go to churches and celebrate their ceremonies but they can’t ask for anything political or economical. The regime chooses some figures to put in positions of power, like ministers or ambassadors, so that they explain that Christians are integrated and benefit from the regime, but the truth is different.

Q: For priests, we heard that people are receiving messages from priests to stay with the regime?

A: We have a problem, I recognize, that a number of priests are connected and have interests with the regime. We are asking the Christian community still in Syria to withstand this, to preserve their numbers because a group can’t have political weight in an emergency if it has left what it considers a hotel, not a nation to be defended.

'Christians are active participants in the Syrian revolution' - Ayman Abdulnour
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Once again, twisting the desperate Christian minority to paint them as cut-throats, self-servicing, active participants in the "persecution" of muslims, this is unbelievably low, trying to demonise minority groups.

You come on a Christian forum, demonising Christians and you may as well just say "Christians deserve what they get", because its obvious its what you think, your posts are all basically propaganda for Islamist thugs!

SoldierOfTheKing said:

At this point, I don't see how you can credibly claim not to be a supporter of ISIS.

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Its a de-facto and de-jure thing. Officially claiming they don't support ISIS in a bid to "save face"

De-Jure = claims does not support ISIS.

De-facto = Judging from posts they're fully in support of ISIS.

The_Laconic_Dead said:

Simply put, if you remove Assad before you exterminate isis, you will have isis in Damascus, and then it will be nearly impossible to destroy them.

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No. If Assad was removed when the chemical weapons report first arose, ISIS wouldn't be the problem it is today. The rebels are fighting on multiple fronts, including against ISIS. They were able to force ISIS out of territory the rebels liberated from them and kept them out (without US help) even though the YPG/affiliates weren't able to do the same thing in Kobani despite all of the weapons and support they were getting from the US and coalition. If the rebels can do that even though their main focus has been fighting Assad, then they can, God-willing, definitely defeat ISIS once Assad is defeated since all of their attention can then be directed against ISIS.

All Englands Skies said:

Once again, twisting the desperate Christian minority to paint them as cut-throats, self-servicing, active participants in the "persecution" of muslims, this is unbelievably low, trying to demonise minority groups.

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Hold your horses and reread my post and the article thoroughly. And then maybe don't try to analyze me since you've been wildly off target every time you have thus far like you did directly after you posted the above quoted post:

All Englands Skies said:

Its a de-facto and de-jure thing. Officially claiming they don't support ISIS in a bid to "save face"

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I despise ISIS probably more than you or others here. Just because I can (through plain facts) recognize that Assad's regime is the worse party between the two does not mean I support the other party.

So again, I'd suggest you stop trying to analyze me since you haven't done so well.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

Hold your horses and reread my post and the article thoroughly. And then maybe don't try to analyze me since you've been wildly off target every time you have thus far like you did directly after you posted the above quoted post:



I despise ISIS probably more than you or others here. Just because I can (through plain facts) recognize that Assad's regime is the worse party between the two does not mean I support the other party.

So again, I'd suggest you stop trying to analyze me since you haven't done so well.

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Sorry but I read plenty of your stuff and I stand by what I think.

"Wildly off target", don't make me laugh, your consistant, the fact you claim this, means nothing, your posts expose you.

One example is how you're all for every separatist movement, where its a group of Muslim trying to free themselves from non-Muslim rule like Chechnya, but then when its non-Muslims trying to free themselves, like Christian-Majority Islands that are part of Indonesia with their own separatist movements, then you think those areas "belong to Indonesia".

that is just one quick example.

You're an Islamist who is bias to Islam at the expense of others and think its moral for Muslims to control the lives of non-Muslims, at least have the strength to admit it rather than trying to side-step the obvious.

Okay, don't admit to being wrong about the article or your incorrect analysis of me. Keep following me around the forum (like you have been for the past 2-3 years) and make false accusations and interpretations. It just serves to amuse me as does the disparity between your tagline and your behavior.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

The West doesn't care. The only friend that Syrian Christians have is Russia. May God grant Vladimir Putin the strength, the courage and the wisdom to bring peace to this troubled area.

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You know we've screwed up when this is the feeling about the issue.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

Okay, don't admit to being wrong about the article or your incorrect analysis of me. Keep following me around the forum (like you have been for the past 2-3 years) and make false accusations and interpretations. It just serves to amuse me as does the disparity between your tagline and your behavior.

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Following you?

No I see your posts and I accuse you of stuff, which is well-founded, by the evidence in your own posts, you say the stuff and then I highlight what you're doing.

You don't like it and are now playing the card that I am "berating" and hassling you, to me this is the "victim mentality" I often highlight.

You say some vile things pertaining to Christians, you're often only a step-away from blaming Christian victims of oppression for their own oppression, I've seen you when you get short and annoyed and in your posts you'll blurt out what you really think, like you think Christians "Have it coming" and we "deserve what we get". because we try to defend ourselves or side with those who defend our interests more. what are we supposed to do? be like ducks in a shooting gallery and allow Islamists to roll over us and force us to live under the sharia? we're not Muslims, we don't want your rules.

In my Country, its not a problem, but I consider all Christians as "one", so an attack in the Middle east, Africa or South Asia is an attack on us all.

You totally dismissed the example I used, because it has you bang to rights, a clear cut case of the worst kind of hypocrisy.

The fact you say this stuff and take the stands you do, but then don't think its right to be challenged on it, is laughable.

Its the typical mindset I find common in many Muslims I talk to, the one of "its okay if we do stuff to you and judge you, but not okay if your do stuff to us and judge us"

The fact is, your so blinded that you're right, you really cannot see the way you really are, you actually believe you reasonable.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

I despise ISIS probably more than you or others here.

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You're supporting ISIS while everyone else is opposing them. That's all there is to it.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

Just because I can (through plain facts) recognize that Assad's regime is the worse party between the two does not mean I support the other party.

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That's exactly what it means.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

That's exactly what it means.

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I don't pretend to know LBAMs motivations but this statement is hilariously wrong.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

You're supporting ISIS while everyone else is opposing them. That's all there is to it.

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You're supporting Assad and his allies even though they are worse than ISIS can dream of being. Assad/allies commit genocide and you support them. That's all there is to it.

That's exactly what it means.

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No. It actually doesn't. I don't even know what to say to you if you cannot see that you can objectively observe (and demonstrate with facts) which party is worse and hate both.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

You're supporting ISIS while everyone else is opposing them. That's all there is to it.



That's exactly what it means.

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For the billionth or so time, can people please get over the "good guy vs. bad guy" Hollywood paradigm? The real world is far more complex, especially in the Middle East, where there are NO unambiguous "Good Guys", the best you can do is pick the least bad guy, and even if you do, there's no guarantee that he'll still be the least bad guy next week.