Papacy the Anti-Christ

Is the Papacy the Anti-Christ?

  • Yes, the Papacy is the Anti-Christ

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  • No, the Papacy is not the Anti-Christ

    Votes: 3 50.0%

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GracetotheHumble

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Hi, I had a discussion about this topic in another forum with an LCMS user. He insisted that the Papacy was not the Anti-Christ and that this doctrine was not taught in the LCMS Church. I wanted to poll the LCMS users to see where you stand on this issue. So what say you? Please only vote if you are a member of the LCMS congregation. Here is the official doctrine of our church:

http://www.lcms.org/doctrine/doctrinalposition#antichrist
 

GracetotheHumble

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Words from the first President of our denomination:

C.F.W. Walther (1811 - 1887)

"True, quite a number, in fact, the majority, of those who claim to be Lutherans refuse to believe that the Pope is the Antichrist and the Papacy the antichristian power. With the entire Church of the Reformation and in accord with the confessions of this Church the orthodox American Lutheran Church of our time still in full earnest maintains the position that the Pope is the Antichrist." (C.F.W. Walther, The Proper Distinction Between Law And Gospel, Ninth Evening Lecture)
 
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GracetotheHumble

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Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)
"nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny."(Martin Luther, First Principles, pp. 196-197)
 
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I did not say that it wasn't taught in the LCMS nor that it was not part of our Statement of Faith. I specifically said that a great many do not accept that this is true anymore, but that, *at one time*, the Seat of the Papacy fulfilled the role of the Anti-Christ. Do not misquote me.
 
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Sword of the Lord

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According to C.F.W. Walther a "great many" didn't accept it in his day either.....but they were incorrect.
That's great. Please edit your false OP to continue discussion more honestly.
 
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That's great. Please edit your false OP to continue discussion more honestly.

The OP is honest. You did insist that this doctrine was no longer taught. You further insisted that your LCMS Pastor did not even believe in this doctrine.

You are the one being dishonest here.
 
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The OP is honest. You did insist that this doctrine was no longer taught. You further insisted that your LCMS Pastor did not even believe in this doctrine.

You are the one being dishonest here.
I did not. I specifically said that I know that it is part of our doctrine, but that, instead of believing it to still be true, many times we believe it to have been true at the time but that it isn't now. My (old) pastor does not believe it is true anymore. You can keep your false claims. I'll point people who want honesty to the original thread to judge for themselves.
 
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I did not. I specifically said that I know that it is part of our doctrine, but that, instead of believing it to still be true, many times we believe it to have been true at the time but that it isn't now. My (old) pastor does not believe it is true anymore. You can keep your false claims. I'll point people who want honesty to the original thread to judge for themselves.

I think the original thread had many posts deleted by the mods but if you can link it go ahead and do so.
 
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I think this would make a great ecumenical dialog. I am opening up the dialog I had on the Papacy to another since my partner no longer wishes to dialog on this. If you wish to dialog on this then let me know and we can have a prayeful one on one dialog on this issue.

In my view If I was Lutheran I would tend to see the Papacy as the anti-Christ. It seemed Dr. Luther did. However since I am Catholic I view the office as that of the vicar of Christ which is quite a different thing. Let me know if you would like to dialog.

Here is the thread we can continue in a one on one:
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/catholic-orthodox-dialogue-the-office-of-the-papacy.7920900/

It can easily become Catholic/non Catholic dialog on the office of Papacy.

Have a blessed Easter season!

In Jesus through Mary,

Athanasais
 
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