What are your views on someone who desecrates a national flag?

Armoured · Mar 25, 2016

pat34lee said:
For those who have no problem with flag burning, book burning,
or burning bras or whatever:

Do you hold anything sacred? Something worth dying to protect
or preserve as it is.

I can't think of any physical object worth dying to protect, purely because of it's symbolic value. Certain military scenarios occur where dying for an object could be worthwhile, but only when those objects have an extrinsic value.

Look at this another way, is there any object you would race into a burning house to save, purely because of what it symbolises?

timewerx · Mar 25, 2016

Lik3 said:
I posted earlier about a young lady who stepped on the US Flag and while I personally think it is disrespectful, I believe that this could also be an issue of free speech. Anyways, my question is what are your beliefs when it comes to "disrespecting" a flag? I am writing this because there is a picture that I found on Facebook, though on this site, I cannot show it. The picture is of a naked little boy doing something to the Israeli flag which would be considered so disrespectful to so many. I realize that there are a lot of people who don't like the nation of Israel or even the US, but do you belief that burning or even dragging a flag disrespectful? Whenever you observe someone burning or even dragging a flag, would it bother you? I know of people who get arrested for this sort of thing in other countries. There are also videos and pics of people from other countries who burn the US and Israeli flags to get their messages across. Are there other ways for a nation to get their points across without burning a flag as a means of protest? Just saying. Despite my own views, do you see burning or using bodily fluids (like the naked little boy I mentioned) as disrespectful or not? Also, would it be wrong for an adult to post a child burning or stepping on a flag? Would you think that some people put too much emphasis on any national flag, whether it is from the US, Israel, Mexico, or Brazil? This would be an example of what happens in other countries as well as the US:
Canadian pro-wrestler apologizes after stomping on Brazilian flag
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/wwe-apologizes-to-brazil-over-canadian-s-flag-stomp-1.1134575

American Singer Miley cyrus twerks on Mexican Flag and may face punishment
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...s-fire-twerking-mexico-flag-article-1.1944389

Cambridge police looking for people who burned US flag in video
http://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...-for-people-who-burned-american-flag-in-video

Why it is legal to burn the American flag
http://time.com/3907444/flag-supreme-court-history/

Flag burning overview
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/flag-burning-overview

In short, would any of you find desecrating a flag disrespectful, an issue of free speech, or have other views like you may not care or something like that:?

"Unfortunately", no Christian can be a respecter or worshiper of anything that represents the sovereignty of a nation, nor even a tribal or ethnic, or cultural group. Such act maybe considered idolatry.

A most misinterpreted word in Christianity is "Gentile". Gentile actually doesn't mean a non-Jew. A Gentile if taken in the Greek context simply meant any body of people living together - ie, nation, tribal, ethnic/race, cultural groups. It could also mean pagans/heathens.

When Jesus told His disciples "do not go into the way of the Gentiles" He is NOT telling them not to preach to the Gentiles, He is telling them, NOT to embrace or adopt the ways of the Gentiles - it means, do not embrace nationalism, nor culturalism/multiculturalism, identifying with ethnicity, race, nor even a sports team. Seriously..

In fact, when the Jews established the State of Israel, they became Gentiles themselves. A Gentile is a way of life, it does not mean a non-Jew. A Jew who blindly pledges citizenship to any nation, thus became a Gentile too.

This principle is consistent with what God did in the Tower of Babel incident in which He commanded everyone to spread all over the Earth and NOT to congregate in cities and not to establish nations.

Armoured · Mar 25, 2016

timewerx said:
"Unfortunately", no Christian can be a respecter or worshiper of anything that represents the sovereignty of a nation, nor even a tribal or ethnic, or cultural group. Such act maybe considered idolatry.

There's the word that the whole creepy American Pledge of Allegiance thing screams at me, but watch the Usual Suspects descend on the thread to defend the practice.

KitKatMatt · Mar 25, 2016

Armoured said:
Look at this another way, is there any object you would race into a burning house to save, purely because of what it symbolises?

I was going to reply with what I had run back inside my house to save as it was burning, but it turns out that none of the things I saved were purely symbolic. They were important in other ways, such as my diplomas/transcripts and my laptop.

Now that I think of it, things that had important symbolism that didn't have other purposes were totally pushed out of my thoughts. I only took things that had an important function.

That's an important question to think about.

Belk · Mar 25, 2016

pat34lee said:
For those who have no problem with flag burning, book burning,
or burning bras or whatever:

Do you hold anything sacred? Something worth dying to protect
or preserve as it is.

Yes. The freedoms that the flag symbolize. One of which is the right to burn the flag. I just do not confuse the symbol for the thing it is symbolic of.

Belk · Mar 25, 2016

Armoured said:
There's the word that the whole creepy American Pledge of Allegiance thing screams at me, but watch the Usual Suspects descend on the thread to defend the practice.

I just find it humorous that those who demonize socialism are those who vehemently defend the pledge of fealty to the state implemented by a socialist. Because Tradition!

David Brider · Mar 25, 2016

pat34lee said:
For those who have no problem with flag burning, book burning,
or burning bras or whatever:

Do you hold anything sacred?

Yes. But not physical objects.

Something worth dying to protect or preserve as it is.

Human life, the human spirit, basic decency, equality...

football5680 · Mar 25, 2016

If somebody from another country does it then their intent was to be disrespectful and they would want people to be outraged so I would just silently think they were morons but I wouldn't give them any reaction.

I think it would be distasteful and counterproductive for a US citizen to do this to the US flag in protest. If they are mad at the government then they should do something that is aimed directly at the individuals in power. The US flag represents the entire nation and all the people in it. They would be creating more opposition to whatever they were protesting because many people will oppose them on this basis alone.

Regardless of this, I think the most important thing we can take away from this is that the US should definitely have a monopoly on the production of US flags so we can make some money off of this and when the flags are burned, it would simply create more demand. We could make some serious cash selling flags to countries like Iran.

quatona · Mar 25, 2016

pat34lee said:
For those who have no problem with flag burning, book burning,
or burning bras or whatever:

Do you hold anything sacred? Something worth dying to protect
or preserve as it is.

Are you asking because in this case you would consider it sacred, as well - no matter what it is?

Armoured · Mar 25, 2016

football5680 said:
the US should definitely have a monopoly on the production of US flags

Well that made me smile.

GracetotheHumble · Mar 25, 2016

Lik3 said:
What are your views on someone who desecrates a national flag?

I spit on the American flag. Abortion and same sex marriage.....this country is disgusting.

Resha Caner · Mar 25, 2016

quatona said:
Sure. Pretty much everything is a symbol to me - in that it has meaning to me beyond its material appearance. Actually, this symbolic meaning is the only thing of interest to me.

So, would you take steps to prevent people from defacing the symbols that are important to you?

pat34lee · Mar 25, 2016

David Brider said:
Yes. But not physical objects.

Human life, the human spirit, basic decency, equality...

Nice, but how would you kill or die concerning those?
War only? Basic decency is disappearing now, along with
equality. We have been killing our children for decades
through abortion.

quatona · Mar 25, 2016

Resha Caner said:
So, would you take steps to prevent people from defacing the symbols that are important to you?

No. I´m not the arbiter of symbolism, am I?

Resha Caner · Mar 25, 2016

quatona said:
No. I´m not the arbiter of symbolism, am I?

I don't understand what your answer is meant to convey. Are you saying you're powerless against those who would deface what is important to you?

revanneosl · Mar 26, 2016

quatona said:
No. I´m not the arbiter of symbolism, am I?

I totally want to be declared America's Official Arbiter Of Symbolism. Either that or I want to start a band called "The Arbiters Of Symbolism"

quatona · Mar 26, 2016

Resha Caner said:
I don't understand what your answer is meant to convey. Are you saying you're powerless against those who would deface what is important to you?

No. I am saying that I see no reason to even expect anyone else to act upon my emotional symbolisms.

Armoured · Mar 26, 2016

GracetotheHumble said:
I spit on the American flag. Abortion and same sex marriage.....this country is disgusting.

Don't hold back, tell us what you really think!

quatona · Mar 26, 2016

revanneosl said:
I totally want to be declared America's Official Arbiter Of Symbolism. Either that or I want to start a band called "The Arbiters Of Symbolism"

...but you don´t always get what you want...

Armoured · Mar 26, 2016

pat34lee said:
Nice, but how would you kill or die concerning those?
War only? Basic decency is disappearing now, along with
equality. We have been killing our children for decades
through abortion.

not that that has anything to do with flag burning, but I.'ve learned here there's no discussion that can't be improved with a good abortion derail.

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