What really happens to our souls when we die?

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 21, 2016

chandraclaws said:
I thought soul meant soul.

Genesis 2:7 tells us the formula for what a soul is...
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Dust + oxygen = soul(life)
Soul - oxygen = dust(death)

Consider these references to understand the meaning of the word...

Proverbs 25:25
As cold water to a weary soul, So is good news from a far country.
Does a spirit get weary and desire cold water?

Genesis 27:19
Jacob said to his father, “I am Esau your firstborn; I have done just as you told me; please arise, sit and eat of my game, that your soul may bless me.”
All blessings come from the Father through the Sprit, not through the supposed spirit of a person.

2 Kings 2:2
Then Elijah said to Elisha, “Stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to Bethel.” But Elisha said, “As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you!” So they went down to Bethel.

This term, 'as your soul lives' is repeated throughout chapter 2... this would imply that our soul can die... where does that concept fit in with the modern day understanding of soul. I mean even the souls of the wicked never die according to most doctrines, so why is Elisha making a false statement and Elijah not correcting him?
It makes perfect sense with the right understanding that soul=living being.

Job 6:6-7
Can flavorless food be eaten without salt?
Or is there any taste in the white of an egg?
My soul refuses to touch them;
They are as loathsome food to me.

Is our soul what touches things? That is physical yet the soul is supposed to be spirit...

Psalm 56:13
For You have delivered my soul from death. Have You not kept my feet from falling, That I may walk before God In the light of the living?
Here we see again the idea that the soul can die...

Romans 13:1
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Soul = person

Goatee · Mar 21, 2016

EastCoastRemnant said:
Genesis 2:7 tells us the formula for what a soul is...
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Dust + oxygen = soul(life)
Soul - oxygen = dust(death)

Never ever heard that before but then again i have not studied SDA beliefs!

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
What do you think of this verse?

Ezekiel 31:16
"I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall,...down to hell with them that
descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden...in the nether parts of the earth."

context!
back up to verse 14!

Ezekiel 31:14(NKJV)
14‘So that no trees by the waters may ever again exalt themselves for their height, nor set their tops among the thick boughs, that no tree which drinks water may ever be high enough to reach up to them. ‘For they have all been delivered to death, To the depths of the earth, Among the children of men who go down to the Pit.’

in death we are delivered to the depths of the earth, buried in a grave!

the bible often refers to the grave as the "pit" or "sheol" which all means the grave - see verse 15!

nothing in these verses suggests that there's a place that burns forever!

vinsight4u · Mar 23, 2016

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JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Ezekiel 32:21
"The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them
that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword."

again context! :oldthumbsup:

this is a prophecy of egypt's fall!

it's likened to a nation that dies and goes to the grave.

one can simply look at verse 22 for context:

Ezekiel 32:22(NKJV)
22 “Assyria is there, and all her company, With their graves all around her, All of them slain, fallen by the sword.

see?

"assyria" is there!

so we can conclude that verse 21 is metaphorical and in no way endorses that people are still alive in "hell"!

vinsight4u · Mar 23, 2016

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Jonah 2:2
"...out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice."

context, context, context!

verse 1 one of jonah chapter 1 clearly states that jonah is in the belly of the great fish!

jonah is referring to the belly of the fish as his "grave"!

so this also in no way endorses that one is alive in "hell"!

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Psalms 55:15
"Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell..."

simply means we die and go to the grave!

1 Kings 2:6
"Do therefore according to they wisdom, and let not his hoar head go down
to the grave in peace."

again no way endorses burning forever or being alive in hell!

Psalms 139:8
"If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there, if I make my bed in hell, behold,
thou art there."

the author uses the conditional tense to make a point!

there's nothing in this verse to suggest that one dies and goes to hell to burn forever or is even alive in hell.

the point of the verse is to show that God is omnipresent!

1 Samuel 2:6

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"The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and
bringeth up."
Rev. 1 shows Jesus Christ has the keys of death and hell. He can open and shut
them.

exactly!

unless one is raised from the dead by a resurrection one would remain dead forever - nonexistent, (see also rom 4:17!)!

remember, Jesus said "I am the resurrection and the life" - jn 11:25!

vinsight4u · Mar 23, 2016

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Sheol, nor Hades mean buried in a grave.

here a dictionary can help you out!

that way you won't have to make up stuff! :oldthumbsup:

from strong's:

H7585

שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל

sheʼôl sheʼôl

sheh-ole',sheh-ole'

From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates:—grave, hell, pit.

G86

ᾅδης

hadēs

hah'-dace

From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls:—grave, hell.

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Genesis 25:8
"Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age...
and was gathered to his people."

Genesis 25:17
"And these [are] the years of the life of Ishmael,...and he
gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his
people."

Genesis 35:29
"And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered
unto his people,...and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him."

Genesis 49:33
"And when Jacob made an end of commanding his sons, he
gahtered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the
ghost, and was gathered unto his people."

Numbers 20:24
"Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not
enter into the land..."

Numbers 27:13
"And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered
unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered."

Genesis 37:35
"And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him: but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into
the grave unto my son mourning..."
grave is Sheol for this verse

you can't force the bible to mean what you want!

the last verse you cited tells where they went - to the grave! :oldthumbsup:

maybe Jesus can help you here:

John 5:28(NKJV)
28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice

who are the "all" that Jesus is speaking of here!

vinsight4u · Mar 23, 2016

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JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Jesus Christ will bring the sleeping saints with Him at the last
trump.

Genesis 15:15
"And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace, thou shalt be
buried in a good old age."

Judges 2:10
"And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there
arose another generation after them..."

again, who are the "all" Jesus was speaking of in john 5:28?

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Genesis 35:18
"And it came to pass as her soul was in departing, (for she
died)..."

you see that? "for she died"!

her spirit was departing! they simply translated as soul!

remember the soul can die, or IOWs, you can die! - see ezek 18:4!

Paul spoke as to it was better to depart and be with the Lord.
See Philippians 1:23

yes he did! for he knew that when he would be raised he would be with Christ - see jn 5:28 and all of 1cor 15!

1 Kings 17:22
"And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the
child came into him again, and he revived."

same as with rachel! it is speaking of the spirit that is within man - see job 32:8 and 1cor 2:11!

Psalms 16:10
"For Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt Thou
suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption."
hell/Sheol

speaking of Jesus, the prophecy here simply means that Jesus' body would not see decay!

Psalms 49:15
"But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave:
for He shall receive me. Selah"
grave - Sheol

this verse simply points to the power of the resurrection - again see rom 4:17!

there is nothing in man that can live of itself!

don't believe the lie that satan told in the garden of eden! (genesis 3:4!)

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
Jesus Christ will bring the sleeping saints with Him at the last
trump.

yes, meaning they are dead until the resurrection! (see jn 5:28, jn 11:12-14!)

Genesis 15:15
"And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace, thou shalt be
buried in a good old age."

Judges 2:10
"And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there
arose another generation after them..."

again jn 5:28 has the answer here, and put that together with 1thess 4:16, rom 4:17, and rev 20:4-6! :oldthumbsup:

again, quit trying so hard to believe satan! :oldthumbsup:

JohnRabbit · Mar 23, 2016

vinsight4u said:
As to evil people - their worm dieth not.

correct!

when one dies, maggots or worms eat the body!

and even after one is burned up "their worm" continues to live as it will turn over the dirt it is in!

remember, for dust you are (not an immortal soul), and to dust you shall return! (see also genesis 18:27!)

you will die, but that worm that is gnawing on you won't! :oldthumbsup:

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