Anti-Christ European What is 666 (the mark of the beast?)

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The number 666 does not represent some mysterious numerical code, or secret cipher... The key to which has been lost somewhere in antiquity, or deliberately omitted from the Scripture in order to avoid persecution by the Ancient Romans, (as some have suggested). Once again, this questionable theory is "apologetic" in nature and should be dismissed out of hand as ridiculous speculation and unfounded conjecture. What does the Scripture actually say about the nature of the Mark ???

"Here is WISDOM, Let him who has UNDERSTANDING count the number of the beast; For it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred threescore and six" (Revelation 13:18).

To begin with, the text mentions nothing about codes or ciphers. Ancient people knew about secret codes and used them extensively. Although any ancient code, could be cracked and identified today by computers in a matter of seconds. Seeing how this code has never been associated with any existing ancient code, or cipher that we know of, it's unlikely it ever was either one of these.

Nor does it say anything about anyone needing any special knowledge of cryptology, higher mathematics, or languages to interpret the number of the beast. No one needs a degree in cryptology or mathematics to interpret its' meaning. The Scripture says' all that is necessary is wisdom and understanding. About what ?!.. Not codes and ciphers, but the Bible of course.

In Bible numerology, the number six represents the number of imperfection, or evil. That's common knowledge. But why is the number repeated three times ?! The number three represents the number of completeness, the sum total of a thing, a plan (Jonah 1:17), Jonah was in the belly of a whale three days, (Matt. 4:3-13) Jesus is tempted three times by Satan). The divinity of God, the Holy Trinity, and so forth and so on.

The number three is also sometimes associated with human creation, Adam had three sons, Cain, Able and Seth. Noah had three sons, (Gen. 6:10). Job had three daughters, (Job 1:7). So now we know the number 666 has to do with "imperfection", the "completion of a something", "perhaps a plan", and "human creation". What else does the Bible say ???

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time" (1 John 2:18).

The Bible mentions specifically at the time of the end, there will be many, or numerous antichrists. This message appears again in the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24), where Jesus also speaks of there being numerous antichrist figures during the Tribulation Period.

Given the Scriptural evidence, we must at least consider the possibility, the number 666 doesn't just refer to a single individual, (as in the Abomination of Desolation antichrist dictator, or the False Prophet), but may in fact refer to a number of people, or antichrist figures instead.

Finally.. In order for the number 666 to be understood by everyone, it would necessarily, have to be something communicated in a universal language, or a form everyone on the planet could recognize. History and simple math are two languages understood and recognized by everyone on the planet. No matter what language they speak, historical information and dates are universally recognized by everyone, everywhere. Doesn't matter whether you read it in German, Spanish, French or Chinese.. "America declared it's Independence in 1776.

The number 666 is an abbreviation that conveys, or confirms "historical" information. It represents Satan's fingerprint on history (his plan). Now all we have to do is use a bit of wisdom to figure out where to look, and some simple math to count the number of a man. All this involves is common sense, and the ability to count from one to six. Simple math.

During the history of the Cold War era, (circa, 1947-1991) the Soviet empire (beast system) was composed of a succession of six men. Stalin, Kruschev, Breshnev, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev. The first SIX.

During the same period of history, six people served as the president of the People's Republic of China, the (PRC). Their names are Mao Tze Tung, who was succeeded by Zhu de, Qingling, Ye Jinaying, Li Xianniian, and Yang Shang Kun who served as president of Red China through 1991. That makes two SIXES, doesn't it ?!

Six men served as Pope of the Vatican State. Their names are Pope Pius XI (who signed the Treaty of Lateran and created the Vatican State). He was succeeded by Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope Paul I, and Pope John Paul II. That makes three SIXES, Doesn't it ???

Three godless ideological movements, each one represented by a succession of six people, occurring during the same historic period of time. In other words, 666, the number of the beast. Now isn't that a lot simpler to understand and recognize, than some complex mathematical code or cipher ???

What are the odds of this happening historically by pure coincidence ? Well if you ran it by a Harvard mathematician, he'd probably tell you it's about the same as one person winning the Power Ball Lottery four times in a row. In other words, it isn't even possible mathematically as far as coincidence goes. Something like that would have to be deliberately orchestrated by someone. So there you have the meaning of the number 666. Satan's blueprint for bringing about the extermination of all mankind.
 
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"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in the right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name" (Revelation 13:16-17, KJV).

So how does the Bible say someone gets the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name ???
Well you could have joined the Communist Party and become one of its' followers or leaders, enslaving people and murdering millions. You might have participated in one of Stalin's purges, or marched into Tibet and butchered unarmed Buddhist priests. Maybe you sat on a machine gun at Tiananmen Square in 1989 in China and slaughtered unarmed protestors whose only crime was throwing red paint on a picture of Chairman Mao.

Perhaps you fought in any one of the guerrilla wars, proxy wars, Marxist revolutions, counter revolutions, cultural revolutions, purges, religious sectarian conflicts, or religious backed revolts against communism, conflicts and wars of the Cold War era, in which hundreds of millions of people were slaughtered. That would certainly seem to have gotten you a mark in the right hand, or the forehead, wouldn't it ?!

Maybe all you did was walk into a Walmart store and buy a pair of sun glasses with a tag on it that said, "MADE IN CHINA". Nobody tricked you into buying those sunglasses for $5.99, you could have bought the more expensive ones made in your own country instead. According to law, if it's made in China, it has to be marked "Made in China".

Both Russia and China have been granted MFN (Most Favored Nation) trade status with the United States, as well as many other countries. Russia is a member of the WTO (World Trade Organization). The globalization of the world economy and trade, has given every developed nation on earth ample opportunity to do business with the systems identified by the number of the beast in Revelation 13:18.

Even the poorest countries in the world in Africa receive humanitarian assistance from international organizations like the W.H.O (World Health Organization) that receives funding from countries like Russia and Red China, not to mention the direct foreign aide they receive from those countries, as well as other countries that do business with the Communist world.

Has the prophecy of Revelation 13:16-17 already been fulfilled ??? Yes. Absolutely, it very well could have. There's no need to invent a different system to spread the mark of the beast, one already exists, and it has existed for a very long time.
 
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Forehead? yeah..there is literally no room for a chip there, unless you go under the skull, and that is more invasive than people will accept.

If the goal is to put a chip in you, they have to read it, otherwise you can't buy things, hence the actual need for electrical/internet infrastructure.

Cattle is chipped to show its owner
mankind shall be chipped to show its owner (devil)
So the main purpose is to put the chip into your flesh, buying and selling is another part.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
 
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Once someone receives the Mark of the Beast.. Can it be removed ?! There is nothing indicated in the Scripture that says the Mark of the Beast is permanent, (unless you die with it and you don't take the opportunity to repent while you're still living). The Scripture says the blood of Christ is sufficient to cover ALL sin. In fact, once you've accepted Christ, God will not even remember your sins. The Mark of the Beast, is nothing more than another form of sin. So, yes... According to Christian theology, the Mark of the Beast can be removed.
 
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stephen583 said in post 41:

The Bible mentions specifically at the time of the end, there will be many, or numerous antichrists.

Any person is an antichrist who denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or who denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or who denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist which will animate the future Antichrist has been working since the 1st century AD (1 John 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7a), animating many antichrists since that time (2 John 1:7).

The existence of many antichrists (1 John 2:18) doesn't contradict that there will be an individual man (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,9, Revelation 13:4-18) who is commonly called the Antichrist, just as on the side of good, the existence of many sons of God (John 1:12) doesn't contradict there is an individual man (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) who is the Son of God (John 20:31).

Also, the idea of the individual-man Antichrist doesn't have to be explicitly referred to in scripture as "the Antichrist" in order for it to be true and supported by scripture, just as, for example, the idea of the Trinity doesn't have to be explicitly referred to in scripture as "the Trinity" in order for it to be true and supported by scripture (e.g. Matthew 28:19, John 1:1,14, Acts 5:3-4).

The man commonly called the Antichrist will be the fulfillment of the individual "man of sin" (2 Thessalonians 2:3) who will sit (at least one time) in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He will fulfill the individual "man" aspect of the "beast" who will come (Revelation 13:18) and bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9). He will rule the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:5-10, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7), and will have a miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13), who by amazing, Satanic miracles (2 Thessalonians 2:9b), such as calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13), will deceive the world into worshipping a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15), and receiving a mark of the Antichrist's name or gematrial name-number (666) on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16-18). The Antichrist and his False Prophet will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:20), while at that time Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).

The idea of a future, individual-man Antichrist was correctly recognized in the scriptures by the church from early on. Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) used the term: "speaking of Antichrist, [Paul] says, 'who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped'" (Against Heresies 3:6:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4); "...by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God" (Against Heresies 5:25:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:8); "...when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem" (Against Heresies 5:30:4b; Revelation 13:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7); "...the number of the name of the beast ... the name of Antichrist" (Against Heresies 5:30:1; Revelation 13:17c-18).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters in the Antichrist's personal name will add up to six hundred and sixty-six (Revelation 13:17c-18).

stephen583 said in post 41:

During the history of the Cold War era, (circa, 1947-1991) the Soviet empire (beast system) was composed of a succession of six men. Stalin, Kruschev, Breshnev, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev. The first SIX.

During the same period of history, six people served as the president of the People's Republic of China, the (PRC). Their names are Mao Tze Tung, who was succeeded by Zhu de, Qingling, Ye Jinaying, Li Xianniian, and Yang Shang Kun who served as president of Red China through 1991. That makes two SIXES, doesn't it ?!

Between 1947 and 1991 six men served as Pope of the Vatican State. Their names are Pope Pius XI (who signed the Treaty of Lateran and created the Vatican State). He was succeeded by Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope Paul I, and Pope John Paul II. That makes three SIXES, Doesn't it ???

Three godless ideological movements, each one represented by a succession of six people, occurring during the same historic period of time.

Regarding "Three godless ideological movements", note that unlike Marxism, Catholicism isn't godless.

Also, note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Catholicism in its past and current form, insofar as Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Christ, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 2:22b). And Catholicism affirms that Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Catholicism affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that the only man who is God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, while the Antichrist will say that he (the Antichrist) is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Catholicism in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20), could at first pretend to support Catholicism (as well as Christianity generally, and also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

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The beast which comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11-16 represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a secretly-apostate pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What is more important than this?"

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "a Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, a pope could come to hold high positions of power in 2 religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the 2 horns of the False Prophet lamb (Revelation 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Revelation 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Revelation 19:12). The False Prophet could even say that he is Jesus. (But he won't say that he is Christ, for the False Prophet and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7.)

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

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If a secretly-apostate pope does become the Antichrist's False Prophet (of Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20, and Revelation 16:13), adherents of Catholicism will have to decide what their ultimate source of truth is: Is it the pope and the RCC, or God and the Bible? Many adherents of Catholicism who know God and the Bible well and hold to them as their ultimate source of truth will no doubt be utterly aghast at the false doctrines of a False Prophet pope. Such adherents of Catholicism could demand that he be removed for heresy and apostasy, and that the cardinals elect a new pope. But other adherents of Catholicism, including many cardinals, bishops, and priests, could be deceived (along with most of the rest of the world) into believing the False Prophet pope's false doctrines, because of his ability to perform the most amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20; cf. Matthew 24:24).

And so a great schism could arise within the RCC. Compare the Akita prophecy: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops". Many adherents of Catholicism could follow the False Prophet pope, while other adherents of Catholicism could reject him and eventually even elect their own, new pope (or reinstall a former pope who is still alive), whom they could declare to be the "True pope". But this new (or reinstated), "True pope" could then be murdered, along with many of his followers, by the False Prophet pope's soldiers. Compare the 3rd Secret of Fatima: "he [the pope] was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions". Could the soldiers firing "arrows" be the Vatican's Swiss Guards, whose weapons and colorful uniforms hark back to the Middle Ages?

After this slaughter, the False Prophet pope could manage to retain the papacy and full control of the Vatican, and through his (deceived) cardinals, bishops, and priests, retain full control of all RCC cathedrals, parishes, churches, etc., throughout the world. And when the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") obtains power over all nations, he and the False Prophet will make war against true, Biblical Christians (whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not) throughout the world, and will physically overcome them and kill them (by beheading) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

It is only when the Antichrist has completely broken all the physical power of the true church (which consists of all true believers, whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not: Ephesians 4:4-6) that the future tribulation will end (Daniel 12:7b) and Jesus' 2nd coming will immediately occur, at which time he will physically resurrect and rapture (gather together) the church (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). And at his 2nd coming, Jesus will tread the winepress of God's wrath alone (Isaiah 63:3, Revelation 19:15-21), and so he/God will get all the glory for defeating the power of evil on the earth (Deuteronomy 32:39-43). For he/God won't share this glory with the church (cf. Isaiah 42:8-14, Isaiah 26:18).
 
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Regarding "Three godless ideological movements", note that unlike Marxism, Catholicism isn't godless.

I disagree with you on that point, which IMO is stated in somewhat of an "elusory" manner to begin with. The Vatican State certainly is godless. There is no provision in Christian theology for a theocracy form of government, or a Christian National State. The Vatican State is such a government. According to Wikipedia, It is the smallest sovereign country in the world. When the Vatican State was created, the RCC became godless as well. So I disagree with your statement.

"Love not the world, neither the things in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him" (1 John 2:15, KJV).

By the way, don't bother to claim V.I. Lenin was also one of the leaders of the Soviet Union. Lenin never served as a general secretary of the U.S.S.R. He was the leader of the Bolshevik Revolution, and he was already dead and buried when Stalin wrote the Soviet Constitution.

Everything I posted is historically, biblically and factually correct. Stalinism, Maoism and Nationalism (as practiced by the Vatican State) are by definition, godless ideologies.
 
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On September 24, 2015 Pope Francis arrives in Washington D.C. to meet with U.S. president Obama. The same day, president Obama meets with "Xi Jin Ping" president of China. Four days later, Sept. 28. president Obama meets with Russian president Vladimir Putin. Pope Francis becomes the first Pope in history to address a joint session of the U.S. Congress. Official photo ops, state dinners and parades accompany news headlines about the summit and the Pope's visit.

Vladimir Putin is resurrecting Stalinism in Russia. The Pope and president "Xi Jin Ping" of Red China were also there as representatives and adherents to their ideologies "Maoism and the Vatican State". The headlines for September 2015 should have read;

"666 DESCENDS ON WASHINGTON D.C."
 
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The mark of the beast is a metaphor and has been in play since the writing of Revelation. Us Christians are to watch out and ensure we do not conform to the pattern of this world.

Revelation 13:15-17
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-13
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”

Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The mark of the beast is not presented as allegorical. It is so important not to take the mark of the beast because doing so is apparently unforgivable (therefore it must be considered by God to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).

The mark of the beast is presented as a life or death thing. If you don't take it during enforcement, you'll be killed (physically). If you do take it, you'll be killed (eternally...).
 
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stephen583 said in post 46:

The Vatican State certainly is godless.

Actually, it isn't. For it worships the God of the Bible.

stephen583 said in post 46:

There is no provision in Christian theology for a theocracy form of government, or a Christian National State.

Regarding a Christian theocracy, note that while the Vatican certainly is not it (because of its human, corrupt aspects, which are common to all Christian denominations, not just Catholicism), Acts 4:32 to 5:11 shows that the early church was truly theocratic, even to where God struck people dead for lying to the apostles. And note that this early, theocratic church was communalist (Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32 to 5:11; see also 2 Corinthians 8:14-15).

The Antichrist will be a socialist, a believer in distributing the wealth (Daniel 11:24), but not necessarily to the extent of atheistic communism (in its theory, not in its practice, for example, in the former USSR, or in China, where the country's wealth was/is not evenly distributed among the party leaders and the populace), or to the extent of the Christian communalism which was (truly) practiced by the early church (Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32 to 5:11; see also 2 Corinthians 8:14-15).

stephen583 said in post 46:

There is no provision in Christian theology for a theocracy form of government, or a Christian National State.

Regarding a "Christian National State", what do you think Christ's future millennial kingdom will be, if not a Christian National (nay, even worldwide) State (Kingdom)? For the millennium will begin after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when he will reign physically on the earth with the physically resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2, Psalms 66:3-4). During the millennium, Jesus will place obedient Christians over cities (Luke 19:17-19), and nations (Revelation 2:26-29), and political divisions within nations (Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30), while Jesus will be King of Kings (Revelation 19:16) over the entire earth (Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11), reigning in the earthly Jerusalem (Micah 4:1-8,13, Zechariah 14:8-21).

stephen583 said in post 46:

When the Vatican State was created, the RCC became godless as well.

Note that the RCC isn't godless, because t worships the God of the Bible.
 
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Luke17:37 said in post 48:

Revelation 13:15-17
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Note that this refers to 3 different things: The image of the beast, then the mark of the beast, and then the number of the beast's name, which is six hundred and sixty-six (Revelation 13:18).

Regarding the "image of the beast" (Revelation 13:15), it could be an android image of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) which the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20) could cause to be made after the Antichrist receives a terrible head wound (Revelation 13:3,14b). For this injury could leave the Antichrist's facial and bodily appearance permanently marred, and could render him unable to speak clearly, like someone after a bad stroke, so that the Antichrist won't want to appear or speak in public again.

Did you ever see that movie "Dave"? It had a President who was in a coma, so his handlers found a regular guy who looked exactly like the President, and had him be a public stand-in for the President. He was able to speak just like the President did. It could be like that with the Antichrist's image. It could be the Antichrist's "Dave", his double, which appears and speaks (Revelation 13:15) before the world instead of his wounded self. But instead of letting people think that the Antichrist's android image is the Antichrist himself, the False Prophet could tell people from the beginning that the image isn't the Antichrist himself, but still fully represents him.

In Revelation 13:15, the original Greek word translated as "life" or "breath" (pneuma: G4151) can mean "spirit" in the sense of consciousness (1 Corinthians 2:11a, Luke 1:47), so that the android could appear to have a spirit, to have consciousness. The way that this could be achieved would be through the android having wireless connections to huge banks of supercomputers running advanced artificial intelligence software. The False Prophet could claim that the Antichrist's consciousness dwells within the android by means of neural networks imprinted with the Antichrist's brain patterns. But this could be a lie, in that the android won't actually have the Antichrist's consciousness, or any true consciousness, but will only appear to have consciousness, by its being able to pass even the most stringent Turing Test. This is a test whereby one speaks with a computer and can't tell whether it has consciousness or not, because all of its answers are the same as if it had consciousness.

But the android's "consciousness" could appear far more advanced than any human's, for it could have access to huge databases containing every fact known to man, so that the android will appear to be omniscient. In this way, it could convince the world that it is not just a machine, but a material incarnation, a machine avatar, of the true God, a literal "deus ex machina", a literal "God from a machine". And this machine "God" could boast not only of his mental powers, but also of his physical powers: he could be extremely strong. And he could boast of the "immortality" of his machine body, which could be made of titanium, covered with some practically-everlasting flesh-like silicone. People could just be completely awestruck by his (what they could call) "omniscient wisdom, his strength, his indestructibility". They could consider him more than worthy of worship by (in their words) "mere humanity, which is so mentally and physically limited, made out of mere flesh and blood, which is so weak and so mortal". The world will actually worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), just as it will actually worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

The Antichrist's image could be placed standing in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, so that the image will become the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31). And in order to make it easy for everyone in the world to be able to see the image and worship it (Revelation 13:15), it could appear on every smartphone, television, computer, GPS navigation system, and electronic billboard at set times each day. And to make it possible for everyone to interact with it personally, it could appear as a computer-generated image on each individual's smartphone, speaking in and understanding each individual's language, conversing with each individual with personalized messages and responses devised by supercomputers running artificial intelligence and language software.

And it could discuss with them even the most intimate details of their lives, for it could have access to huge databases compiled by the Antichrist's worldwide intelligence, law enforcement, economic, and health agencies, databases containing all the facts about everyone: who their family and friends are, where they live and work, who their neighbors and coworkers are, how much they make, what cars and properties they own and use, where they go, where they shop, what they buy, where they eat out, what shows and videos they watch, what they read, what they say, what they post on the internet, what their health problems are, etc., so that the Antichrist's image could seem to know everything about everyone.

And the worship of the image could be connected with a daily surveillance and subjugation of everyone. For the image's supercomputers could make his image automatically appear on everyone's smartphone at set times each day to be worshipped. And smartphones contain GPS chips which can be secretly pinged in order to determine the exact location of the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could ping the GPS chip of everyone's smartphone and know exactly where everyone is.

Also, smartphones contain cameras and microphones, which can be remotely opened secretly in order to see and hear what is going on around the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could open the cameras and microphones of everyone's smartphone to determine what everyone is doing and saying, and the image could then demand that the individuals worship him as God, saying some set prayer of praise and adoration. And if any individual refuses, the image's supercomputers could detect his noncompliance, and notify the nearest police officers of his exact location, and order the officers to arrest him for blasphemy and treason. He could then be given a chance to be "reformed" (i.e. in a brainwashing camp, or through physical torture, if necessary), but if he proves recalcitrant, he will be executed (Revelation 13:15) by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

The beheading process itself could be made into a televised and webcasted spectacle, to serve not only as a dire warning to anyone thinking of refusing to worship the image, but also to serve as an amazingly-horrific entertainment for the masses, like how the ancient Romans made it an entertainment for the masses to gather them into the Colosseum in Rome and let them watch Christians being thrown to lions and devoured alive.

Huge beheading structures could be built, by which 20 "traitors" could be beheaded at one time by one fall of one blade. The "traitors" could be bound in a row along an upright "U"-shaped device with a track for a large guillotine blade, which could start out in a resting position at the top of one side. The blade could be so massive and so sharp that when it is released it will easily slice down through 10 necks on one side of the "U" and continue on by its own momentum up the other side of the "U", shearing off another 10 heads. This all could happen so quickly that it will appear as if all 20 heads are struck off almost in unison, followed immediately by 20 geysers of blood rushing out in unison for all the Antichrist's "faithful" to gawk at and cheer over in the comfort of their own homes before their televisions and computers.

Also, immediately after the show, at the site where it took place, teams of surgeons could rush in to "harvest" all the fresh organs and other body parts from the beheaded bodies to be used for transplants (beheading being the best way for a body to die if you want to harvest its parts). What is left of the bodies could then be stuffed into shipping containers, which, once full, could be painted black and stacked like stones into a gigantic, Black Pyramid of Death, which could eventually reach some 30 stories high and contain tens of millions of bodies. A huge plaque could be erected in front of the Pyramid which will read: "This is a monument to the shame of YHWH, who created everything to die". (Of course, the truth is that he didn't, for he created Adam and Eve immortal; it wasn't until they sinned that they became mortal: Genesis 2:17. And YHWH will restore immortality to saved humans through Jesus Christ: Romans 6:23. Also, any such plaque would be hypocritical, for it will be the Antichrist who will have murdered the people entombed in the Pyramid, not YHWH. And so it will actually be a monument to how those who hate YHWH and his wisdom, love death: Proverbs 8:36b.)

Regarding the worship of the Antichrist's image, to help foster a group dynamic, every neighborhood and village in the world could be helped to create a group worship center in which everyone in that neighborhood or village will have to gather together at a set time each evening to bow down and prostrate himself or herself before a life-size, lifelike image of the Antichrist, which could be a computer-generated, animated, holographic or widescreen 3D HDTV image of him clothed in beautiful golden robes and standing majestically before them (or sitting on a magnificent golden throne), and speaking computer-generated customized messages to them as a group.

This worship could be accompanied by the most beautiful symphonic music (cf. Daniel 3:5), or whatever is the most beautiful music to the local people, to help them (in the words of the Antichrist's propaganda machine) "Be uplifted into the true spirit of praise and worship of our Great Lord and Master. Praised be His Majestic Name forever and ever!", etc. And what with the wonderful music, and all their fellow worshippers around them, and customized messages of encouragement spoken in a deep, soothing voice by a life-size, holographic or 3D HDTV image of the Antichrist to certain members of each "worship group", it could be that some people in each group will start to really get into the evening worship sessions, and even begin to (in their words) "Truly feel the Living Presence of our loving God among us, loving us so tenderly, so personally! Oh, how I love Him! He is So Great!"

For example, as a worshipper named Mary, a housewife with 2 little children, is bowing down before the image of the Antichrist, he could speak forth to her "Mary! Mary! My beloved handmaid! You are so precious to me, my love. You so faithfully take care of dear little Johnnie and Michelle, whom I have entrusted to you, that you might raise them up to become My servants and faithful worshippers, just as you are. How I love thee, my Mary. How I cherish thee, my precious dove!". And poor Mary could begin to cry with happiness over her dear Lord's kind words to her, not realizing that they are merely the concoction of some artificial-intelligence program running in some supercomputer down in the basement of some government building.

Also, the world's worship of the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), no matter how blissful it may become for some people, and the world's worship of the Antichrist and Lucifer (Satan) the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), will last for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:5, Daniel 12:11-12) before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and completely defeats the Antichrist and Lucifer, and the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3), and Jesus then sets up his own, 1,000-year physical kingdom on the earth with the physically resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
 
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The mark of the beast is not presented as allegorical. It is so important not to take the mark of the beast because doing so is apparently unforgivable (therefore it must be considered by God to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).

The mark of the beast is presented as a life or death thing. If you don't take it during enforcement, you'll be killed (physically). If you do take it, you'll be killed (eternally...).


Nowhere in the Revelation prophecy does it say the Mark of the Beast can not be removed once it is taken. I read where people will be destroyed if they keep it, that's all.. Are you suggesting, even if people repent, God is going to destroy them anyway ??? I thought "God and all the angels in heaven rejoice when the wicked repent", (Luke 15:10, Ezek. 33:11) ?! Does your Bible read differently than mine ???

The Apostle Paul refers to those in Scripture, who are "Blessed and remain alive until the coming of the Lord", (1 Thessalonians 4:15). The Revelation itself speaks of the 144 thousand Jews who will be sealed during the Tribulation Period, (Revelation 7:4).

How do any of these Christians or Jews survive until the coming of the Lord, if our only choice is, take the mark, or die ??? Seems to me these verses contradict what you suppose to be an inescapable choice. Take the Mark, or Die.

Obviously, there's a problem with some of the assumptions you are making about the nature of the Mark of the Beast and what it's supposed to represent.
 
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Regarding a "Christian National State", what do you think Christ's future millennial kingdom will be, if not a Christian National (nay, even worldwide) State (Kingdom)?

The Millennial Kingdom you refer to will be established by God, not man. The RCC has no right to establish a Millennial Kingdom in the absence of Christ. That proposition is complete and utter nonsense. No church has the right to declare itself a country (kingdom) according to Christian theology. Christianity was never intended to become a theocratic form of world government, at least not before the Millennial Reign occurs.

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews, but now is my kingdom not from hence"
(John 18:36).

So Yes. My position stands. The Vatican State is most certainly an illegal and godless form of government.
 
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During the history of the Cold War era, (circa, 1947-1991) the Soviet empire (beast system) was composed of a succession of six men. Stalin, Kruschev, Breshnev, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev. The first SIX.

During the same period of history, six people served as the president of the People's Republic of China, the (PRC). Their names are Mao Tze Tung, who was succeeded by Zhu de, Qingling, Ye Jinaying, Li Xianniian, and Yang Shang Kun who served as president of Red China through 1991. That makes two SIXES, doesn't it ?!

Between 1947 and 1991 six men served as Pope of the Vatican State. Their names are Pope Pius XI (who signed the Treaty of Lateran and created the Vatican State). He was succeeded by Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope Paul I, and Pope John Paul II. That makes three SIXES, Doesn't it ???
Stephen, if I gave you $6. Then I gave you another $6. Then I gave you another $6. You would have six hundred and sixty six dollars, right?
 
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stephen583 said in post 51:

Nowhere in the Revelation prophecy does it say the Mark of the Beast can not be removed once it is taken.

Our salvation will be taken away if we worship the Antichrist and his image, and by our own volition receive his mark on our right hand or forehead (Revelation 14:9-12). In the original Greek, "receive" in Revelation 14:9 is in the active voice, not the passive voice. If the mark is forced on us against our will, such as through scarification while we are under restraints, or while we are passed out on forcibly-administered drugs or after a beating or torture session, then after we are released or regain our consciousness, as soon as it is possible for us to do so, we should formally renounce and reject the mark verbally to God, and also completely deface the mark physically, such as with further scarification (by our own hand) in the sign of the Cross of Jesus Christ, placed over the mark of the Antichrist. And we could also write "YHWH" over the mark with a permanent marker, to make our true loyalty clear to all.

stephen583 said in post 51:

The Revelation itself speaks of the 144 thousand Jews who will be sealed during the Tribulation Period, (Revelation 7:4).

Note that the 144,000 will all be Christians (Revelation 14:1,4), and so they will all be part of the church (cf. Ephesians 4:4-6). They will be the firstfruits of the church (Revelation 14:4), in the sense of its best part (cf. Numbers 18:12). They will be male virgins (Revelation 14:4), who could all have been born in the 20th or 21st century, and who could all already be part of the church. For they will all be alive on the earth, and will all already be God's servants (Revelation 7:3; cf. Romans 6:22, Philippians 1:1), by the time of Revelation 7:3-8, during the 1st stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. They will have entered the tribulation along with the rest of the church alive at that time, for there will be no pre-tribulation rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Also, the 144,000, who are of the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 7:4-8), can include both Jews and Gentiles in the church. For all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), which is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list of the 144,000's twelve tribes (Revelation 7:4-8; there, "Joseph" stands for Ephraim: Numbers 1:32, Psalms 78:67, Ezekiel 37:16b,19) because the Israel that they are from isn't genetic Israel with its 12 genetic tribes which include Dan (Genesis 49:28,17), but rather spiritual Israel (Romans 9:6-8), which consists of all the elect (Romans 9:11-13), both elect Jews and elect Gentiles (Romans 9:24).

stephen583 said in post 51:

How do any of these Christians or Jews survive until the coming of the Lord, if our only choice is, take the mark, or die ???

There is also a 3rd option. For in Revelation 13:16, the original Greek word (pas: G3956) translated as "all" doesn't have to mean (as is sometimes claimed) absolutely all, but can mean "all manner of" (Acts 10:12). Revelation 13:16 means that all manner of people, "both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond", will receive the mark. Revelation 13:16 doesn't mean that absolutely all people will receive the mark. For there will be Biblical Christians who won't receive it, but will either be martyred (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Matthew 24:9-13) or (the 3rd option) will flee into God-protected wilderness places (Revelation 12:6,14-16) and will still be "alive and remain" on the earth at Jesus' 2nd coming to be raptured (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), immediately after the tribulation (Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). Also, there will be some unsaved elect Jews who will refuse to receive the mark and yet they will survive (either in hiding, or under the protection of the 2 witnesses: Revelation 11:3,5), and so they will be able to be saved by Jesus when they see him in person at his 2nd coming (Romans 11:25-29, Zechariah 12:10-14). Anyone who receives the mark willingly can never be saved (Revelation 14:9-11).

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stephen583 said in post 52:

The Millennial Kingdom you refer to will be established by God, not man.

That's right.

For John 18:36 means that Jesus' future, physical reign on the earth with the physically resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29) won't be of this world in the sense that it won't come by worldly means, such as by the church fighting physically to establish it (2 Corinthians 10:3-4, Matthew 26:52, Matthew 5:39). Instead, it will come only by Jesus returning physically from heaven to establish it (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21). Also, after the millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), a new earth will be created and God's kingdom will continue forever on the new earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5).

Presently, the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). But in the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will also be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21), and then on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-8).

Jesus' kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). And at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7), and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the still-living, unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living, unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, for now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which time the Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the physically resurrected church will reign on the earth with Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).

stephen583 said in post 52:

The Millennial Kingdom you refer to will be established by God, not man.

Amen.

For Daniel 12:7b shows that at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will come to a church which has been completely defeated physically by the Antichrist. For during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign, he will be allowed to make war against the church and to overcome it physically in every nation (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). It is only when the Antichrist has completely broken all the physical power of the church that the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 will end (Daniel 12:7b), and Jesus' 2nd coming will immediately occur, at which time he will physically resurrect and rapture (gather together) the church (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). And at his 2nd coming, Jesus will tread the winepress of God's wrath alone (Isaiah 63:3, Revelation 19:15-21), and so he/God will get all the glory for defeating the power of evil on the earth (Deuteronomy 32:39-43). For he/God won't share this glory with the church (cf. Isaiah 42:8-14, Isaiah 26:18).
 
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I explained in post #41 why the number six hundred sixty six, (666) represents the number of the beast. You'll read in the post all about Bible numerology, the meaning of the number six, why there are three sixes and how the number of the beast relates to a Satanic "plan".

Many of those who study eschatology, misunderstand Satan's plan and state it as some grand manipulation in which Satan brings about a "one world" government, with the intention of ruling over the entire Earth and all of mankind. Satan already rules all the kingdoms of the world. He wasn't just blow'in smoke when he tempted Christ and offered him all the kingdoms of the world. Satan made that offer, because he could deliver on it, right then and there. He doesn't need some Machiavellian scheme to bring the entire world under his dominion, (Luke 4:5-7).

Satan no more desires to rule over a world full of humans, any more than you want to rule over a house plagued with a cockroach infestation. The plan is not to rule, but to bring about the extermination every living, breathing human being on the face of the entire planet. That's why the Scripture says, "except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved", (Matthew 24:22). So we're not talking about dominion over anything, we're talking about extermination instead.

I can think of a lot of things I would make jokes about Douggg, but a plan that aims to bring about the extermination of my species, isn't one of them. Grow up and Wake Up.
 
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I explained in post #41 why the number six hundred sixty six, (666) represents the number of the beast. You'll read in the post all about Bible numerology, the meaning of the number six, why there are three sixes and how the number of the beast relates to a Satanic "plan".

Many of those who study eschatology, misunderstand Satan's plan and state it as some grand manipulation in which Satan brings about a "one world" government, with the intention of ruling over the entire Earth and all of mankind. Satan already rules all the kingdoms of the world. He wasn't just blow'in smoke when he tempted Christ and offered him all the kingdoms of the world. Satan made that offer, because he could deliver on it, right then and there. He doesn't need some Machiavellian scheme to bring the entire world under his dominion, (Luke 4:5-7).

Satan no more desires to rule over a world full of humans, any more than you want to rule over a house plagued with a cockroach infestation. The plan is not to rule, but to bring about the extermination every living, breathing human being on the face of the entire planet. That's why the Scripture says, "except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved", (Matthew 24:22). So we're not talking about dominion over anything, we're talking about extermination instead.

I can think of a lot of things I would make jokes about Douggg, but a plan that aims to bring about the extermination of my species, isn't one of them. Grow up and Wake Up.
Stephen, the point is in the text of the KJV and Greek, the six hundred threescore and six is written out in "words" , not numbers. It is not three 6's, side beside, as 666.

So when you make an analysis or maybe speculate using the number of three 6's next to each other - 666 - you are not working from what the text actually says.

If a person were going to break it down according to the words, which I don't think is right to do either, but...... it would be 600, then 60, then 6.
 
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During the history of the Cold War era, (circa, 1947-1991) the Soviet empire (beast system) was composed of a succession of six men. Stalin, Kruschev, Breshnev, Chernenko, Andropov and Gorbachev. The first SIX.

From 1947 to 1991, there were SEVEN Russian presidents.

1) Joseph Stalin Jan 21, 1924 to Mar 5, 1953
2) Georgy Malenkov March 5, 1953 to Feb 8, 1955
3) Nikita Khrushchev Feb 8, 1955 to Oct 14, 1964
4) Leonid Brezhnev Oct 14, 1964 to Nov 10, 1982
5) Yuri Andropov Nov 12, 1982 to Feb 9, 1984
6) Konstantin Chernenko Feb 13, 1984 to Mar 10, 1985
7) Mikhail Gorbachev Mar 11, 1985 to Dec 25, 1991

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leaders_of_the_Soviet_Union

During the same period of history, six people served as the president of the People's Republic of China, the (PRC). Their names are Mao Tze Tung, who was succeeded by Zhu de, Qingling, Ye Jinaying, Li Xianniian, and Yang Shang Kun who served as president of Red China through 1991. That makes two SIXES, doesn't it ?!

From 1947 to 1991, there were EIGHT Chinese Chairmen.

1) Mao Zedong Sept 27, 1954 to April 27, 1959
2) Liu Shaoqi April 27, 1959 to Jan 3, 1965
3) Dong Biwu Feb 24, 1972 to Jan 17, 1975
4) Zhu De Jan 17, 1975 to July 6, 1976
5) Soong Ching-ling July 6, 1976 to March 5, 1978
6) Ye Jianying March 5, 1978 to June 18, 1983
7) Li Xiannian June 18, 1983 to April 8, 1988
8) Yang Shangkun April 8, 1988 to March 27, 1993

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

Between 1947 and 1991 six men served as Pope of the Vatican State. Their names are Pope Pius XI (who signed the Treaty of Lateran and created the Vatican State). He was succeeded by Pope Pius XII, Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope Paul I, and Pope John Paul II. That makes three SIXES, Doesn't it ???

From 1947 to 1991, there were FIVE popes.

1) Pope Pius XXII 1939-1958
2) Pope John XXIII 1958-1963
3) Pope Paul VI 1963-1978
4) Pope John Paul I 1978
5) Pope John Paul II 1978-2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Popes_(graphical)

Under scrutiny, your theory to the Mark of the Beast adds up to 785, not 666.





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Stephen, the point is in the text of the KJV and Greek, the six hundred threescore and six is written out in "words" , not numbers. It is not three 6's, side beside, as 666.


Douggg. Everyone knows six hundred, three score and six is the number 666 (Revelation 13:18). Everybody also knows it doesn't mean six hundred and sixty-six. It means six-six-six, 6-6-6, Three sixes. If you don't trust Bible Commentary on the subject, just ask any Satanist. In Satanic symbolism, the numbers aren't even arranged horizontally.. like a number six hundred and sixty six. They appear in a circular formation, with the base of the sixes at the center and the top of the six splayed outwards. Anyone who has seen satanic graffiti on a wall, is familiar with the symbol.

I've warned you what this number represents (extermination). So continue to prevaricate all you want, stick your head in the sand and ignore it if you want. I guarantee, that's exactly what Satan is banking on. He wants you to believe it's a secret code or cipher, although if it was, it would have been deciphered a long time ago. Supercomputers are used to break codes nowadays. The only way to make any sense out of it, is to interpret it biblically and break it down intro three sixes.

I revealed in post #41 exactly what these three sixes represent historically. Where and when they appear. I gave you names and dates, and I even counted them for you, exactly as the Scripture indicates they should have been counted. If that isn't good enough for you, well then, let it be so.
 
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From 1947 to 1991, there were EIGHT Chinese Chairmen.

Chairman and President are two different positions in the Chinese Communist Party. I suggest if you aren't able to google that information, you order the booklet "China Politics" from the Chinese Consulate in Houston, Texas. That's where I got my copy and the list of names of Chinese Presidents, as well as the dates they served. Although I have seen the same information posted on the internet as well.
 
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