SXSW Apologizes for Asking U.S. Olympian Ibtihaj Muhammad to Remove Hijab

"SummerMadness, post: 69374652, member: 142216"]By law, they are not required to. This is settled case law, you are allowed to wear religious head coverings as long as they do not obscure facial identification, your hair is not your face. That's why you don't need a new ID if you grow, cut or dye your hair.

Her rights were violated. The law already states that she is not required to remove her head covering, this is settled case law. "Religion of violence"? I'll ignore such bigoted garbage, it's a vain attempt to derail this thread.)

Which case law is this? And hair is an identifying marker. Color and length. It's on your drivers licence. They have to be able to see the hair to determine color.

And as an American, she should know better. This country does not operate like the more intellectually retarded ones where we consider head hair as taboo as pubic hair.

(Remember, they're only Christian until we want to say they're something else. In addition, it does not only apply to African countries. It's funny that conservative Christians will celebrate freedom of sexual orientation, when it wasn't until the 21st century that the Supreme Court had to step into strike down sodomy laws (oh, but those other countries with laws against homosexuality are so barbaric)./OTE]

That's because those laws were so rarely enforced most people didn't even know about them.

Still you deny the horrors of having to live under Sharia while pointing to the injustices of some dusty sodomy law that was hardly enforced.

How did your sense of morality become so distorted?

"Muhammad’s frustration at the SXSW event occurs against the background of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, which has been characterized by overtly xenophobic and racist rhetoric. The Republican front-runner has called for barring Muslims from entering the U.S. and creating a national registry of all Muslims. Violence and discrimination against Muslims (or people incorrectly believed to be Muslim) has been occurring on a near-daily basis around the country."

Why doesn't spend a little more time crying over the 3200 yazidis still being raped and tortured by isis.

This is why people have such a hard respects muslims.

The_Laconic_Dead said:

Why doesn't spend a little more time crying over the 3200 yazidis still being raped and tortured by isis.

This is why people have such a hard respects muslims.

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Wait. What. All she did was make a couple of Tweets & comments. Don't Christians make complaints about how they're treated in America even though there's a lot of Christians in the Middle East who are treated way worse? Remember that whole stink about the Starbucks coffee cups being some "war on Christmas" that some Christians made a stink about?

Landon Caeli said:

For ID photos, all should be removed, to prevent discrimination against any sect or tradition... American-born Muslims should know better.

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That's nonsense. If I want to wear a hair scarf. Because of my religion or I just want to wear one. I should be about to. Just like a married Christian women should be able to wear a veil.

Sure, just not when it comes to security. Otherwise, we can all make these claims.

How can I cover my face and hair as a non religious male?

LovwaingAMuslimah said:

Wait, which countries force Christian women to wear the hijab? One of the reasons given in the Qur'aan for wearing the hijab is that it identifies us as free Muslim women. It honors us.

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I think he was being sarcastic

The_Laconic_Dead said:

Sure, just not when it comes to security. Otherwise, we can all make these claims.

How can I cover my face and hair as a non religious male?

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Well, if you can grow a decent beard then you've got an easy way to do it.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

That's nonsense. If I want to wear a hair scarf. Because of my religion or I just want to wear one. I should be about to. Just like a married Christian women should be able to wear a veil.

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Oh, so you would be willing to deny the fundamentalist sunnis from wearing the burqa in a ID picture, but not the fundamentalist Shias from wearing the hijab? That's an imbalanced perception on religious freedom, you know.

...Or are you actually saying that Sunni women should be allowed to wear the burqa, in accord with their religious beliefs in a photo ID As well..? Such as a drivers license?

The_Laconic_Dead said:

Muslims crying about being profiled when they choose to belong to a religion of violence deserve zero respect. Her rights were not violated, and I'm glad this muslim was put in her place and forced to abide by the same rules we all do. You don't get special treatment because you belong to the most violent religion on earth.

(In some predominantly Christian nations there is female genital mutilation while others have laws against homosexuality, but you know what? We don't talk about those countries when discussing discrimination or laws in the United States as they are not relevant.)

Those are African Christian countries. Everything in Africa is broken.

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Wow. Just wow.

And, ummm, welcome to Christian Forums.

Saleena said:

If you can see her face in the ID i don't see the issue.

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But that's religious favoritism, a bias against certain Islamic traditions. How is it fair, that Sunnis cannot express their traditions like the Shias? Wouldn't it be more balanced for everyone to be treated equally, by removing their headcoverings all as one?

Make the nuns take them off for ID too. Too many people using those costumes to rob banks.

Landon Caeli said:

Oh, so you would be willing to deny the fundamentalist sunnis from wearing the burqa in a ID picture, but not the fundamentalist Shias from wearing the hijab? That's an imbalanced perception on religious freedom, you know.

...Or are you actually saying that Sunni women should be allowed to wear the burqa, in accord with their religious beliefs in a photo ID As well..? Such as a drivers license?

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Landon Caeli said:

But that's religious favoritism, a bias against certain Islamic traditions. How is it fair, that Sunnis cannot express their traditions like the Shias? Wouldn't it be more balanced for everyone to be treated equally, by removing their headcoverings all as one?

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Wearing the niqab vs headscarf without the extra garments has more to do with differences in opinion (or if the same opinion, differences in adherence) in jurisprudence, not creed.

There are Sunni and Shi'a women who both cover their faces as well as those who limit it to the headscarf.

The_Laconic_Dead said:

This story is about Islam and this woman's attempt to use her religious liberty to circumvent security that is necessary, in part, due to the lunatics from within her own religion. Some whom even wear hijabs.

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A hijab has nothing to do with lunacy or terrorism. Just because some terrorists have worn the hijab, doesn't mean none should be allowed to or that wearing one poses a security risk. Second, this is not formal policy of SXSW. It's already been determined that a volunteer was being a jerk about it to make things difficult for the woman due to her religious affiliation. That volunteer has since been let go.

As for the condition of life in a certain plurality of Islamic nations, yes I do have an educated opinion. In fact, at this point, one has to be completely blind to not see the horrors intrinsic to societies governed by Islam and Sharia law.

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Have you seen what Christians do in third-world nations? Hello, Uganda's "kill gays" bill, anyone? Ritualistic rape. Child brides. Stoning women to death for getting pregnant out of wedlock. It isn't a religion issue. It's a lack of education and poverty issue. Poverty and lack of education leads to barbaric living conditions that are not at all contingent upon religious practice.

Landon Caeli said:

Do Muslim women keep their hijabs on for their drivers licenses too..? With only their little eyes peeping out? How are they identifiable then? How absolutely ridiculous -this should be against the law IMO. Or else totally remove all photographs for everyone then.

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I believe in some states they can, since we're not talking about a niqab. All a hijab covers is the hair and hairline. It does not conceal the face, so a woman wearing one can readily be identified. By your argument, a Jewish woman wearing a sheitel should be made to take it off, since her natural hair is not showing.

The_Laconic_Dead said:

Sikhs should remove their turbans as well. The Jew hat hardly covers anything.

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"The Jew hat"? Really?

It does circumvent security because hair is an identifying feature.

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Hair is a very unreliable identifying feature, because it can easily be cut, covered with a wig, or dyed.

Muslims crying about being profiled when they choose to belong to a religion of violence deserve zero respect. Her rights were not violated, and I'm glad this muslim was put in her place and forced to abide by the same rules we all do. You don't get special treatment because you belong to the most violent religion on earth.

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And yet Christians in America want special treatment *coughsKimDaviscoughs*?

Landon Caeli said:

Oh, so you would be willing to deny the fundamentalist sunnis from wearing the burqa in a ID picture, but not the fundamentalist Shias from wearing the hijab? That's an imbalanced perception on religious freedom, you know.

...Or are you actually saying that Sunni women should be allowed to wear the burqa, in accord with their religious beliefs in a photo ID As well..? Such as a drivers license?

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You need us to explain to you why covering your face is an issue while wearing a hat is not?

rambot said:

Sorry, I don't understand this post.

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Read it again, in a really sarcastic voice.

He is Risen 72 said:

I am waiting for all the Muslim countries to apologies for forcing Christian women to wear the hijab.

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Most Muslim countries don't even require Muslims to wear the hijab. There are some that explicitly prohibit it in schools and government buildings.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

Wait, which countries force Christian women to wear the hijab? One of the reasons given in the Qur'aan for wearing the hijab is that it identifies us as free Muslim women. It honors us.

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They are in Iran, in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. Of course, the latter two countries don't have much of a Christian community to begin with. And I know how you feel about Iran.