After Three Days

visionary · Mar 10, 2016

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
The website BukiRob posted says it was Friday April 7th.

http://www.intercontinentalcog.org/Appendix/Passover_dates_26-34_AD.php

quoting from this website..
A Passover on Wednesday is the only day of the week that works with all Biblical accounts of the crucifixion. Yahshua was in the grave "three days and three nights" Matthew 12:40. From Wednesday just before sunset [even] to Saturday just before sunset [even] is three days and three nights. The fact that the day following Yahshua's crucifixion was a Sabbath (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:52-54, & John 19:31) does not prove He was crucified on a Friday. According to the Law of Moses, the day following Passover (which is also the first day of the feast of unleavened bread) is also, always a Sabbath day of rest to be observed like the 7th day weekly Sabbath no matter what day of the week it falls on. (See Leviticus 23:4-8, Numbers 28:16-18, and take special notice of John 19:31 again. The Sabbath immediately following Yahshua's crucifixion was no ordinary Sabbath.)

Understanding that it was a Wednesday Passover and crucifixion also solves apparent conflicts in the Gospel records. In Luke 23:55,56 it says that the women (Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James) went and prepared anointing spices and oils BEFORE the Sabbath. In Mark 16:1 it says that they bought them AFTER the Sabbath! The answer lies is in the fact that there are two different Sabbaths being referred to here. The women both bought and prepared the spices on the same day. The day of the week was Friday. When Mark says they bought the spices AFTER the Sabbath, the Sabbath he is referring to was the special Thursday Sabbath ...the first day of unleavened bread that followed the day of Passover. When Luke says they prepared the spices and then rested the Sabbath, the Sabbath he is referring to is Saturday ...the weekly Sabbath.

There is also proof found in Matthew 28:1 that there were two Sabbaths. Most Bible translations render this word "Sabbath" in the singular because translators, believing the traditional Friday crucifixion scenario, couldn't make any sense of the fact that the Greek manuscripts all render this word in the plural. This fact can be verified by anyone with a Greek interlinear translation or Greek lexicon. Matthew 28:1 therefore should read, "Now after the SABBATHS as the first day of the week began to dawn...".

Therefore, for all the records to add up it must be concluded that Yahshua was crucified on a Wednesday.

visionary · Mar 10, 2016

Daniel 9:24 Seventy [sevens] are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,'and sixty-two 'sevens.'

Daniel was given a vision from God, and the angel Gabriel was sent to help Him understand it. This was a direct prophecy from our God to Daniel, so we call it Daniel’s timeline for simplicity... 483 contiguous years from the decree to restore Jerusalem, until the Anointed One would come.

The decree to begin rebuilding Jerusalem was read by Ezra, in the seventh year of the reign of Artaxerxes.

Ezra 7:8 And Ezra came to Jerusalem in the fifth month, which was in the seventh year of the king. ...12 Artaxerxes, king of kings, To Ezra the priest, a scribe of the Law of the God of heaven: Perfect peace, and so forth. I issue a decree that all those of the people of Israel and the priests and Levites in my realm, who volunteer to go up to Jerusalem, may go with you.

Artaxerxes reign began in 465 BC and the seventh year of his reign was 458 BC.

Decree issued 458BC – 483 years to the anointing of Jesus = 25AD + 1 (No zero year) = 26 AD Yeshua was anointed.

Yeshua born 5 BC and when 30 years old when He was anointed by the Holy Spirit to begin His ministry. 26 AD anointed for ministry – 30 years of age = 4 BC - 1 (no zero year) = 5 BC year Yeshua was born

Luke 3:23 Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,

This was a common age for maturity, beginning one’s service to God. Originally the Levites were required to begin their service to the Lord at age 30.

Luke 3:23 Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Numbers 4:3 from thirty years and upward, even to fifty years old, all who enter the service to do the work in the tent of meeting.

This review is to give evidence to what year and thus what time frame for the Passover Yeshua died. Yeshua after He had been anointed as the Messiah, would be cut off, be crucified for the sins of the world.

Dan 9:26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah [or Anointed One] will be cut off and have nothing [Or no one], and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Is 53:8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgressionof my people, to whom the stroke was due?

In the middle of the week, in the middle of the seven, would make it Wednesday, in the middle of the seven year period after His 3 1/2 ministry. 26 AD + 3 1/2 year ministry = 30 AD crucifix.

Dan 9:27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one [seven], but in the middle of the [seven] he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.

There is a seven year period remaining in the 70 years of sevens from verse 24 and 25 above.

Verse 24: 490 years minus (–) 483 years from verse 25 = 7 years remaining on Daniel’s timeline

BukiRob · Mar 10, 2016

visionary said:
quoting from this website..
A Passover on Wednesday is the only day of the week that works with all Biblical accounts of the crucifixion. Yahshua was in the grave "three days and three nights" Matthew 12:40. From Wednesday just before sunset [even] to Saturday just before sunset [even] is three days and three nights. The fact that the day following Yahshua's crucifixion was a Sabbath (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:52-54, & John 19:31) does not prove He was crucified on a Friday. According to the Law of Moses, the day following Passover (which is also the first day of the feast of unleavened bread) is also, always a Sabbath day of rest to be observed like the 7th day weekly Sabbath no matter what day of the week it falls on. (See Leviticus 23:4-8, Numbers 28:16-18, and take special notice of John 19:31 again. The Sabbath immediately following Yahshua's crucifixion was no ordinary Sabbath.)

Understanding that it was a Wednesday Passover and crucifixion also solves apparent conflicts in the Gospel records. In Luke 23:55,56 it says that the women (Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James) went and prepared anointing spices and oils BEFORE the Sabbath. In Mark 16:1 it says that they bought them AFTER the Sabbath! The answer lies is in the fact that there are two different Sabbaths being referred to here. The women both bought and prepared the spices on the same day. The day of the week was Friday. When Mark says they bought the spices AFTER the Sabbath, the Sabbath he is referring to was the special Thursday Sabbath ...the first day of unleavened bread that followed the day of Passover. When Luke says they prepared the spices and then rested the Sabbath, the Sabbath he is referring to is Saturday ...the weekly Sabbath.

There is also proof found in Matthew 28:1 that there were two Sabbaths. Most Bible translations render this word "Sabbath" in the singular because translators, believing the traditional Friday crucifixion scenario, couldn't make any sense of the fact that the Greek manuscripts all render this word in the plural. This fact can be verified by anyone with a Greek interlinear translation or Greek lexicon. Matthew 28:1 therefore should read, "Now after the SABBATHS as the first day of the week began to dawn...".

Therefore, for all the records to add up it must be concluded that Yahshua was crucified on a Wednesday.

I completely agree but then, according to one on here who is a EO tradition of man follower, I have eyes but do not see, ears but do not hear....

Come to think of it, I do wear a hearing aid in my left ear and have to use reading glasses...

danny ski · Mar 10, 2016

I got to be honest with you people. I have no clue what you're talking about. I'm Jewish, I do know this and that about Christianity, but this is just bizarre. And I am interested in other points of view, religions, etc. But. This "Judaism" lacks even the most basic foundation. I think this place is at a point where the return to the drawing board is the only direction. I mean this in the nicest possible way.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 10, 2016

visionary said:
quoting from this website..

He says AD 31 and you say AD 30...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 10, 2016

visionary said:
Decree issued 458BC – 483 years to the anointing of Jesus = 25AD + 1 (No zero year) = 26 AD Yeshua was anointed.

Yeshua born 5 BC and when 30 years old when He was anointed by the Holy Spirit to begin His ministry. 26 AD anointed for ministry – 30 years of age = 4 BC - 1 (no zero year) = 5 BC year Yeshua was born

You know what year Yeshua was born! Amazing! You need to immediately write a book!

visionary · Mar 10, 2016

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You know what year Yeshua was born! Amazing! You need to immediately write a book!

Not difficult to find many who have either research it, or those who have studied it and came to the same conclusions. Nothing amazing that I agree with the findings.

Norbert L · Mar 10, 2016

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Are you implying that the Syriac version is an original and not translated from Greek into Syriac and then into English? And yet even further, that Syrian Christians have always celebrated a Friday crucifixion and Sunday Resurrection using your supposed "mistranslation"?

To the first question, nothing I wrote is implying that.

In regards to any Christian group, be it in the present day or reaching into the far past, we have these words spoken by Yeshua, "Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word" (John 17:20). Not my word, not your word, Syrian Christians or even The Church Fathers who appeared shortly after what those initial eyewitnesses testified to. That word was written down for them too, it was recorded for all of us together.

So it doesn't matter who and what time, be it modern day Christian group or those who appeared shortly after that time. We are all equally called to believe on the eyewitnesses and their word about Yeshua. The New Testament, the B'rit Chadashah. Whether it be the fallible Church Fathers centuries ago or us fallible Christians today, we all are to be held to that same standard, by their word.

AbbaLove · Mar 10, 2016

danny ski said:
I got to be honest with you people. I have no clue what you're talking about. I'm Jewish, I do know this and that about Christianity, but this is just bizarre. And I am interested in other points of view, religions, etc. But. This "Judaism" lacks even the most basic foundation.

One controversy that exists within "Messianic Judaism" is whether Yeshua arose on the 7th day Sabbath or the 1st day of the week. Some Messianics believe the Nisan 14 crucifixion occurred on the 4th day of the week, Wednesday. Using scripture they attempt to prove that Yeshua arose on the 7th day Sabbath "on the third day," in 34 AD (according to the Torah Creation Calendar). Other Messianics believe Nisan 14 (crucifixion) occurred on the 5th day of the week, Thursday. This 5th day of the week supports their belief that Yeshua arose on the 1st day of the week, Sunday in 27 AD (according to the Torah Creation Calendar). Those that believe the crucifixion took place in 27 AD site the fact that Yeshua was born a few years before Herod the Great died in 4 BC.

Most of Christianity believes in what is generally referred to as the "Good Friday" crucifixion scenario making use of what is known as synecdoche theology. Using this method with Nisan 14 occurring on the 6th day of the week, Friday in both 30 AD or 33 AD. All of these dates for Nisan 14 occuring either on the 4th day of the week, the 5th day of the week or lthe 6th day of the week are supported by the Torah Creation Calendar (e.g. - http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y27M1 )

However, if this isn't already complicated enough there is a recognized Jewish calendar ... http://www.hebcal.com/ ... in which the years for Nisan 14 occurring on a Wednesday (within proximity of the crucifixion) are: 3787 = Wed, April 7, 27 AD and 3790 = Wed, April 3, 30 AD. The only approximate Friday timeline is 3793 = Fri, April 1, 33 AD. No year is shown for Nisan 14, occurring on a Thursday from 20 AD to 40 AD on Hebcal. The Torah Creation Calendar is based on NASA's scientific calculations and the Hebcal calendar is based on the Hebrew method of accounting for the number of days in each Hebrew year with approximately every three years having 13 months (Adar & Adar II).

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 11, 2016

Norbert L said:
To the first question, nothing I wrote is implying that.

In regards to any Christian group, be it in the present day or reaching into the far past, we have these words spoken by Yeshua, "Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word" (John 17:20). Not my word, not your word, Syrian Christians or even The Church Fathers who appeared shortly after what those initial eyewitnesses testified to. That word was written down for them too, it was recorded for all of us together.

So it doesn't matter who and what time, be it modern day Christian group or those who appeared shortly after that time. We are all equally called to believe on the eyewitnesses and their word about Yeshua. The New Testament, the B'rit Chadashah. Whether it be the fallible Church Fathers centuries ago or us fallible Christians today, we all are to be held to that same standard, by their word.

My point still stands. You wanted to use the Syriac translation to somehow prove your point. As I have said, even if that were true (which it isn't), the ancient Syriac Church that uses that document celebrates a Friday crucifixion and Sunday (actually Saturday after sunset) resurrection making your point moot.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 11, 2016

AbbaLove said:
Most of Christianity believes in what is generally referred to as the "Good Friday" crucifixion scenario making use of what is known as synecdoche theology.

It is not "synecdoche theology"...that is just the name of the way it is understood. It has historical, traditional as well as theological precedence as I have show previously.

daq · Mar 11, 2016

AbbaLove said:
Theology is a manmade concept. It is by no means proof that RCC theology is superior to the E-OC theology or vice versa. What is certain is that Messianic Judaism does not believe in the manmade "Good Friday" doctrine based on religious "synecdoche" theology. Basically there are two MJ camps. One believes in a 7th day Sabbath Resurrection, while the other believes in a 1st day of the week Resurrection. The problem that i see with a 7th day Resurrection is that it takes place about 9 to 12:01:00 hrs before the first rays of sunshine on the 1st day of the week. So, the question no one has an answer for is: Where and what was Yeshua doing for the 9 to 12:01:00 hrs just before Mary arrived at the tomb with the annointing spices?

AbbaLove said:
It's far from plain ... more like a smoke screen of a religious doctrine that's a flawed tradion.
How much more plainly do MJs need to be that "synecdoche" theology is used to support a flawed religious tradition. Only 2 nights have elapsed and possibly as little as 1 minute of daylight on Sunday morning. Manmade "synecdoche" theology in no way can turn 2 nights into 3 nights. So most of religious Christendom just ignores the half of Matthew 12:40 that reads "and three nights." In an attempt to justify "three days" even a few seconds of the first rays of sunshine on the Temple are counted as the third day ("on the third day"). The problem with using "synecdoche" theology to justify "on the third day" is there is no scripture to suggest that Yeshua's Resurrection occurred after sunrise.

AbbaLove said:
Christendom makes use of a "synecdoche" theology crutch to justify "on the third day" while at the same time disregarding "three nights" in order to justify a flawed manmade tradition.

Matthew 12:40 CJB
For just as Yonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea-monster, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the depths of the earth.

Since you speak for all of MJ then it appears that all of MJ is in error because all of MJ apparently believes that Yeshua arose in the fourth day, which is in complete opposition to everything written on the matter. There is no other way to see it according to your MJ rulings. If the body of Yeshua was a full three days and three nights in the tomb then he would have clearly risen in the fourth day even if it was only by one minute following after three full days and three full nights in the tomb.

24 hrs + 24 hrs + 24 hrs + 1 minute = 4th day resurrection.

Thank you for clarifying this for of all of MJ, (not sure if I am an "MJ" anymore now).

But no doubt everyone appreciates your eagerness to step up and speak for the whole.

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pat34lee · Mar 11, 2016

daq said:
But no doubt everyone appreciates your eagerness to step up and speak for the whole.
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Nobody can speak for everyone. Some will believe
what they want to believe regardless of facts or
scripture or common sense.

daq · Mar 11, 2016

pat34lee said:
Nobody can speak for everyone. Some will believe
what they want to believe regardless of facts or
scripture or common sense.

Much of what I posted was meant tongue-in-cheek since none of us has the right to tell anyone else what to do, and certainly not what to believe, and certainly no one here has the authority to set boundaries, (outside of management, the SOP, and the forum rules to be able to post here) for what beliefs are supposedly "MJ" and what beliefs are supposedly not "MJ", (especially in the context of the topic at hand). The real point I suppose would be that there are indeed many MJ's that do not agree with the position that AbbaLove has taken up. This topic and the disputes that arise from it are issues that run the gambit of many different denominations and, imo, has nothing to do with E/O or any other faith group in this entire forum because the same issues arise everywhere it is discussed.

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AbbaLove · Mar 12, 2016

pat34lee said:
Nobody can speak for everyone. Some will believe
what they want to believe regardless of facts or
scripture or *common sense.

What is factual or *common sense can be altered by one's religious beliefs. Take for example the original Greek word μετά also interpreted as Μετὰ (δὲ τὴν) meaning either with or after. It's pretty evident that the following transliteration to after makes *common sense as applied to Mark 8:31
(see: http://biblehub.com/greek/3326.htm and *http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3326.htm)

*Mark 8:31
GRK:ἀποκτανθῆναι καὶ μετὰ τρεῖς ἡμέρας
NAS: and be killed, and after three
KJV: be killed, and after three days
INT: to be killed and after three days

Mark 8:31 ( considering the context *common sense tells us that after makes more sense than 'with' even when using Mετὰ )
GRK: Mετὰ δὲ τὴν
KJV: ... and after three days rise again.
ESV: ... and after three days rise again.
YLT: ... and after three days to rise again;
CJB: ... but that after three days, he had to rise again.

Matthew 17:1
GRK: Kαὶ μεθ' ἡμέρας ἓξ
KJV: And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, ,,,
ESV: And after six days Jesus took with him Peter ...
YLT: And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, ...
CJB: Six days latter Yeshua took Kefa, ...

Interesting that the Greek word μεταβαίνω means to pass over.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/resolveform?type=start&lookup=meta&lang=greek

We agree that Yeshua did not arise until "three days (36 hrs) and three nights (36 hrs)" had first passed. Are you willing to concede that Yeshua did not arise until 72:00:00 hrs had passed? Does *common sense not allow you to consider that Yeshua arose at 72:00:33 hrs or maybe as late as 72:03:33 hrs? Would 72:33:33 hrs be too much of a *common sense stretch? Futhermore, can we agree that 72:33:33 hrs would still be considered as being "on the third day" ... even 82:33:33 hrs would still be "on the third day" or is such reasoning beyond *common sense.

Do you know of any Messianics (MJs) that believe that Yeshua was crucified on the 6th day of the week (Friday) with His 1st Century Messianic Jewish followers celebrating pascha (Passover) on the first day of the week (Sunday)?

so we (MJs) agree on this major issue that 72 hrs had to occur before Yeshua arose.

On the other hand a centuries old religious tradition implies/suggests that the Apostle John as well as Polycarp possibly celebrated pascha (Passover) on the first day of the week (Sunday). As we are both aware religious tradition sometimes trumps *common sense.

AbbaLove · Mar 12, 2016

Once we realize that both the Roman Catholic Christian Church and the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church celebrate Pascha (Passover) on the 1st day of the week (Sunday), we begin to see why they have life size molten images of Jesus and expensive paintings of Jesus hanging on a cross in many of their most prestigious Churches and in their homes. At least Protestant Christian Churches celebrate His Resurrection (not Passover/Pascha) on Sunday and no longer have images of Jesus on their crosses.

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pat34lee · Mar 12, 2016

daq said:
Much of what I posted was meant tongue-in-cheek since none of us has the right to tell anyone else what to do, and certainly not what to believe, and certainly no one here has the authority to set boundaries, (outside of management, the SOP, and the forum rules to be able to post here) for what beliefs are supposedly "MJ" and what beliefs are supposedly not "MJ", (especially in the context of the topic at hand). The real point I suppose would be that there are indeed many MJ's that do not agree with the position that AbbaLove has taken up. This topic and the disputes that arise from it are issues that run the gambit of many different denominations and, imo, has nothing to do with E/O or any other faith group in this entire forum because the same issues arise everywhere it is discussed.

I agree with most of that. Take labels out of the equation.
As believers, ideally we should believe the same things.
After all, we have the same scriptures. What changes then?
Only what we read -into- the words; our biases of what we
want to believe.

daq · Mar 12, 2016

AbbaLove said:
What is factual or *common sense can be altered by one's religious beliefs. Take for example the original Greek word μετά also interpreted as Μετὰ (δὲ τὴν) meaning either with or after. It's pretty evident that the following transliteration to after makes *common sense as applied to Mark 8:31
(see: http://biblehub.com/greek/3326.htm and *http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3326.htm)

*Mark 8:31
GRK:ἀποκτανθῆναι καὶ μετὰ τρεῖς ἡμέρας
NAS: and be killed, and after three
KJV: be killed, and after three days
INT: to be killed and after three days

Mark 8:31 ( considering the context *common sense tells us that after makes more sense than 'with' even when using Mετὰ )
GRK: Mετὰ δὲ τὴν
KJV: ... and after three days rise again.
ESV: ... and after three days rise again.
YLT: ... and after three days to rise again;
CJB: ... but that after three days, he had to rise again.

Matthew 17:1
GRK: Kαὶ μεθ' ἡμέρας ἓξ
KJV: And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, ,,,
ESV: And after six days Jesus took with him Peter ...
YLT: And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, ...
CJB: Six days latter Yeshua took Kefa, ...

Interesting that the Greek word μεταβαίνω means to pass over.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/resolveform?type=start&lookup=meta&lang=greek

We agree that Yeshua did not arise until "three days (36 hrs) and three nights (36 hrs)" had first passed. Are you willing to concede that Yeshua did not arise until 72:00:00 hrs had passed? Does *common sense not allow you to consider that Yeshua arose at 72:00:33 hrs or maybe as late as 72:03:33 hrs? Would 72:33:33 hrs be too much of a *common sense stretch? Futhermore, can we agree that 72:33:33 hrs would still be considered as being "on the third day" ... even 82:33:33 hrs would still be "on the third day" or is such reasoning beyond *common sense.

Do you know of any Messianics (MJs) that believe that Yeshua was crucified on the 6th day of the week (Friday) with His 1st Century Messianic Jewish followers celebrating pascha (Passover) on the first day of the week (Sunday)?

so we (MJs) agree on this major issue that 72 hrs had to occur before Yeshua arose.

On the other hand a centuries old religious tradition implies/suggests that the Apostle John as well as Polycarp possibly celebrated pascha (Passover) on the first day of the week (Sunday). As we are both aware religious tradition sometimes trumps *common sense.

As for what was said about meta it stands but there is no way to explain it to one who clearly ignores reality to begin with, (the consecration of the priests is seven days and the eighth day as it is written in Torah and this is likely why Luke mentions eight days instead of six). But concerning the rest you do ignore reality and pretend it simply does not exist. If you were sick, and slept for a full seventy-two hours, then you would have slept for three days. If then you slept for several more hours, and awoke sometime in the seventy-fifth hour of your rest, you would not have awoken in the third day but rather in the fourth day because anytime after seventy-two hours is into the fourth day. This is the simple reality concerning measurements of time. If you desire to ignore reality and believe what you want to believe in spite of the facts that is your business but it is not right for you to then claim that those who do not agree with you are not Messianic or that all who are truly Messianic must agree with you. The words of Yeshua himself clearly dispute your fourth day resurrection understanding:

Matthew 16:21 KJV From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 17:23 KJV And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

Matthew 20:19 KJV And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 10:34 KJV And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 9:22 KJV Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Luke 18:33 KJV And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 24:7 KJV Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
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Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 12, 2016

AbbaLove said:
Once we realize that both the Roman Catholic Christian Church and the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church celebrate Pascha (Passover) on the 1st day of the week (Sunday), we begin to see why they have life size molten images of Jesus and expensive paintings of Jesus hanging on a cross in many of their most prestigious Churches and in their homes. At least Protestant Christian Churches celebrate His Resurrection (not Passover/Pascha) on Sunday and no longer have images of Jesus on their crosses.

Wow, I don't think I have ever read anything from anyone so ignorant of the basic knowledge of other Christian churches. Just wow...and BTW, you do NOT speak for WE.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 12, 2016

AbbaLove said:
Once we realize that both the Roman Catholic Christian Church and the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church celebrate Pascha (Passover) on the 1st day of the week (Sunday), we begin to see why they have life size molten images of Jesus and expensive paintings of Jesus hanging on a cross in many of their most prestigious Churches and in their homes. At least Protestant Christian Churches celebrate His Resurrection (not Passover/Pascha) on Sunday and no longer have images of Jesus on their crosses.

Just to clarify your mistakes, the RCC as well as most Protestant churches celebrate EASTER. The Eastern Orthodox celebrate PASCHA. Also, the Eastern Orthodox Church is Catholic. I am actually offended by your remark regarding the cross, our symbol of victory over death. Many thousands of Christians were martyred because of that symbol and still are.

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