Does anyone have actual independent proof that "God" wrote the Christian Bible? Please note that quoting the Bible is not proof since it is the text in question. Also note that one cannot prove something by abscence of evidence refuting that claim.
Who wrote the Bible?
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The Bible is God Breathed. This means that God called men of His choosing to write the "text" of the Bible. Hope that helps you out some.
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Wrong forum, Darwinism. You probably need to post this thread in Apologetics. This is about science, not theology.
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JohnR7
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Don't quote the Bible? We are walking and talking epistles. God healed me and made me whole. I have joy unspeakable, contentment and satisfaction. The love, joy and peace of God is in me. I rejoice in the Lord always and do all I can to avoid grumbling and complaining.
I guess what I am saying is I know there is a God, because I am a new creation. I am a different person than what I was. He changed me and transformed me.
I did not like the person I was before. But I like the person I am now. That is important, because we have to live with ourselves. I do not need to be around people. I enjoy just to spend time with God in pray and meditation. But I enjoy to be around people.
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JohnR7
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The Bible is 66 books written by over 40 authors over a 1500 year period of time. There were Holy men of God who were moved and inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.
There are parts of the Bible that are written as first person. It is God speaking and the author just wrote down what He said. There are a lot of "thus saith the lord" passages.
Psalm 46:10
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Isaiah 55:11
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
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No. No one does. It is generally accepted that science is unable to prove God, just as it cannot disprove him. Science stays out of religion and God entirely. And for this reason, any discussions on the existence of God are better suited for the apologetics forum.
And now that I'm here: Happy birthday, John.
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John, that's fine for you, and I accept that you consider this adequate evidence of the existence not only of a deity in general, but Yahweh in particular. However, you must realize that this evidence isn't available to anyone but you. It is personal experience, not intersubjective. And it has nothing to do with the topic at hand: who or what wrote the Bible. Of course, that subject belongs in Apologetics, unless someone can think of a scientific test.
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and what makes this different from any other book inspired by different deities where the first person is also used? Or where the deity discussed is said to be speaking directly?
Could it also be that the author wrote down what he thought God would have said in that situation? After all, it was pretty common in those days to put words in the mouths of people. Herodotus did it all the time for historical people. Why wouldn't the same practice apply to Yahweh?
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Happy birthday JohnR7. 
I would have to say, that if God wrote the bible He did a bad "Job"( ) of it. The book is repetitive, poorly plotted, inconsistent, and dull, ( 
) in spite of the sex and violence. Twelve thousand monkeys at twelve thousand typewriters wouldn't want to claim authorship. If it were a movie we would have to give it an "X" for the butchery and incest.
On the other hand, if God wrote the bible, it would explain a few things about his purported other works. 
I would have to say, that if God wrote the bible He did a bad "Job"(
) of it. The book is repetitive, poorly plotted, inconsistent, and dull, ( ) in spite of the sex and violence. Twelve thousand monkeys at twelve thousand typewriters wouldn't want to claim authorship. If it were a movie we would have to give it an "X" for the butchery and incest. On the other hand, if God wrote the bible, it would explain a few things about his purported other works.
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The reason this is not in the apologetics forum is that it is asking for any known scientific proof, not theological proof.
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Well if your willing to count archeology as proof that is possible, but there are already threads for that. There is also prophetic, but you don't want that.
I don't think you could really prove the bible without looking in the bible. It holds all the proof inside it.
The bible is not dry and boring to the believer and only repeats things worth repeating.
No, it could not have been written by man alone...
A bad man would never write such a book, a good man wouldn't lie and claim he was God. A dumb man certainly couldn't, neither could a crazy man that thought he was God. The wise and sane man could do some of it, but would have to know pretty much everything. Since the bible was "66 books written by over 40 authors over a 1500 year period of time" it becomes increasingly difficult, because each author didn't know what the previous had written.
This is the best "proof" I can provide in a short period of time.
I don't think you could really prove the bible without looking in the bible. It holds all the proof inside it.
The bible is not dry and boring to the believer and only repeats things worth repeating.
No, it could not have been written by man alone...
A bad man would never write such a book, a good man wouldn't lie and claim he was God. A dumb man certainly couldn't, neither could a crazy man that thought he was God. The wise and sane man could do some of it, but would have to know pretty much everything. Since the bible was "66 books written by over 40 authors over a 1500 year period of time" it becomes increasingly difficult, because each author didn't know what the previous had written.
This is the best "proof" I can provide in a short period of time.
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Er...No it doesn't. That is a circular argument.
A fanatically religious person who thought God was speaking to him could have written it (or a succesion of such)
Some parts I might have come from the mind of a bad man.
A good man might lie because he realised that the only way to get people to follow the rules in the ible would be to say it was from God.
A wise man could have written parts of it, yes, and each author would have been adding to what came before and would know what the prior authors had written because they could read the Bible. I don't see why a man would need to know everything.
I think the bible was written by a sucession of good, bad, wise, stupid, sane and insane men, all utterly devoted to their God to the extent where they thought they could speak for him or that he was speaking through him. And you must admit not all passages needed God to author them, so not all of them were written by men pretending to be God. Some were just general spiritual advice written by holy people, or histories written by people who were writing down what they had been told by church leaders abot what had happened.
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Dear John,
I accept all that you say, but that does not change the fact that God did not actually physically write the Bible.
It certainly is his word, inspired into men by the holy spirit, but God commanded or directed men to write the Bible out of a mixture of love, awe, reverence, need and the like.
David
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I think when you believe Jesus is God's son & all the stuff happened... & there's a God it's pretty logical to believe He didn't let people write wrong stuff there, I mean He watches over what people write, guides em..
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Freodin
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Limiting that on the authors does not work!
All the authors of texts would have to be inspired.
That did not happen - there are a lot of texts about Jesus that are not considered "inspired"
The people who made up the "canon", those who decreed what was inspired and what was not, would have to be inspired.
That did not happen - the canon has been changed at various times.
The translations would have to be inspired.
They are not - they differ, disagree, contain errors - even deliberate falsifications.
The reader would have to be inspired.
Well, considering that almost everyone disagrees on some points of interpretation of even a single Bible variant, I think I can honestly say: that did not happen.
So, if God really "guides" people in regard if the Bible, he does a lousy job.
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