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When I owned and ran a furniture story my landlady believed and sold this nonsense. I even went to one of the shows they had for their dealers. It was rather similar to a church revival meeting. They also had a demonstration that made me laugh where a person resisted the downward force of the demonstrator's push on his hands and then he stepped on to a magnetized pad. He was able to fend off the downward push the second time. I know a little bit of body kinematics and there were two factors that enabled him to resist. First the body learns quite quickly and the second time it "knew" what was happening. He also stepped forward onto the pad and was closer to the demonstrator. His elbows were closer to his body and your much stronger if you have your elbow only a fist distance away from your body. A mere inch or two makes a huge difference. The crowd of course wanted to believe so they missed what was to me very obvious.

This is "alternative medicine". It is not real medicine. By the way, do you know that they call alternative medicine that works?

They call it "medicine".
 
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Cool story bro.

Shame God couldn't be bothered when a dear friend of mine died recently from a brain tumour. A wonderful, loving woman who was greatly involved with her local church. Out of the blue was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumour six months ago and died a couple of weeks ago.

Stories of apparent faith healings actually push me away from the idea of a personal, all loving, all powerful God. As far I can I see the healings are done completely in a completely random and arbitrary manner which is, frankly, unacceptable.

To tell you the truth, I am not a fan of the "faith healing" deal. There is too much hype, show, song and dance and drama. I think this gives the whole gift a bad name.

When Jesus healed, and He was God, it was a simple event, the transformation was the witness to Jesus' abilities and evidence as to the truth of His message.

My wife and I went to see the faith healer that healed our friend. I am not sick, I have nothing to take to this person for healing from. People there were fainting and being caught. I have no idea what this portion of the show is.

So, having said that, I think you will understand that I believe that God heals through other people. I believe that it better be extremely clear who the thanks and worship should be given to and it's not the healer. I don't like the abundance of wealth that these people acquire. It is a distraction to the One who should be given the glory.

As far as who gets healed and who doesn't. Who has control of that? Who says that you won't die tomorrow or that you won't live till your late 90's. Everyone has one life to live and so many days are allotted. We don't know when our time is going to run out. It is expected of us to live each day for God and as God would have us to. Love our neighbor as ourselves and be kind.

Tell me, if your friend was healed and the tumor disappeared, would you, then, believe? Maybe God knew that healing this dear women would not change the hearts of anyone. Maybe she had finished her work, touched the people she was to touch and may still having an affect on even after she has passed.

In the story of Lazarus, the beggar and the rich man, where both died and the rich man was in hell. The rich man wanted Lazarus resurrected and sent back to tell the rich man's family about the truth of what is in store for them after death. However, the answer to his request was that his family has Moses and the prophets to believe and if they won't believe them, they won't believe a man who comes back from the grave.

I have told the true story of my friend being healed, on the spot, from a sure early death. I have been ridiculed, called a liar, told "cool story bro", and generally my story is dismissed as an exaggeration and false. I am not a fan of faith healing agenda but I know for sure that God still heals through gifted people. I don't believe that if someone close to you was healed that you would make the connection of God in the equation, I really don't.

Others here dismiss the effect of magnets. Write it off as a placebo, hyperbole, snake oil and a way to separate a fool and his money. All this, dispite the fact that, others, besides myself, have given reasons as to why we believe they work. One poster even hinted that migraines or their causes are psychosomatic...... really?

How arrogant and pompous to tell migraine sufferers that they probably create this hell of an affliction on their own accord.

The understanding of the truth of God is behind a locked door. If you have the faith to believe that it will open for you when you turn the knob, it will. Then and only then will you be able to see the real truth and have real understanding.
If you slough it off and say "there is no evidence to say why the door opens for some and not others" then you are doomed to face a locked door.

Nobody in a lab coat, holding a beaker and a graduated cylinder is ever going to prove that God exists. They also cannot prove that He doesn't.......You won't find salvation in a petri dish. You will only find it by believing before you have the evidence.
 
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Hi there.

So what's up with these magnetic bracelets?

Are they efficacious?

What are the consequences of having the iron in our blood passing through a magnetic field?
Just as efficacious as prayer, I suppose.
 
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Look into my eyes, prayer is more than placebo or nocebo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_and_Nothingness#Part_3.2C_Chapter_1:_The_look
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"The mere possible presence of another person causes one to look at oneself as an object and see one's world as it appears to the other. This is not done from a specific location outside oneself, but is non-positional. This is a recognition of the subjectivity in others."


From Yoga:

A drishti (view or gaze) is a specific focal point that is employed during meditation or while holding a yoga posture. The ancient yogis discovered that where our gaze is directed our attention naturally follows, and that the quality of our gazing is directly reflected in the quality of our mental thoughts.

http://www.yogabasics.com/learn/focusing-on-a-drishti/
 
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Of course.

It's a woman's mind!

^_^ ... Just kidding!

So don't squint those eyes at me ... ^_^
The squinting is because the joke wasn't funny. I make sexist jokes myself; what I hate most is when impolitic jokes fall flat.

Also, missed opportunity for taking it up a notch by saying: "What mind? Aren't you a woman?"

Go big or go home.
 
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When I owned and ran a furniture story my landlady believed and sold this nonsense. I even went to one of the shows they had for their dealers. It was rather similar to a church revival meeting. They also had a demonstration that made me laugh where a person resisted the downward force of the demonstrator's push on his hands and then he stepped on to a magnetized pad. He was able to fend off the downward push the second time. I know a little bit of body kinematics and there were two factors that enabled him to resist. First the body learns quite quickly and the second time it "knew" what was happening. He also stepped forward onto the pad and was closer to the demonstrator. His elbows were closer to his body and your much stronger if you have your elbow only a fist distance away from your body. A mere inch or two makes a huge difference. The crowd of course wanted to believe so they missed what was to me very obvious.

This is "alternative medicine". It is not real medicine. By the way, do you know that they call alternative medicine that works?

They call it "medicine".
The methodology is called kinesiology.
If done right it will not matter about elbow position.
But it should be repeated without moving the elbows.
 
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Cool story bro.

Shame God couldn't be bothered when a dear friend of mine died recently from a brain tumour. A wonderful, loving woman who was greatly involved with her local church. Out of the blue was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumour six months ago and died a couple of weeks ago.
Did you not heal her yourself? Or did you simply ask God to do it?
The bible does not say for you to ask God. It is up to you to do the healing.
(I do not know what you did, I am only asking. Too many times people ask God to heal rather than doing it themselves by the power that Jesus has given us through the Holy spirit.)
 
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The methodology is called kinesiology.
If done right it will not matter about elbow position.
But it should be repeated without moving the elbows.
You know very little about how hoaxers run shows. And less about the human body. There is a reason why when you first learn martial arts that the instructor is very precise on how one positions one's body for certain activities. In blocking the elbow is almost always in a plane that is a fist distance away from the body. Whether doing a block of a punch to the head, the midsection or even kicks. When teaching this I would often put my blocking arm against theirs and even the strongest new student could not move me since they had no idea how to use their bodies properly. I saw the fake immediately. Everyone else missed it.
 
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Did you not heal her yourself? Or did you simply ask God to do it?
The bible does not say for you to ask God. It is up to you to do the healing.
(I do not know what you did, I am only asking. Too many times people ask God to heal rather than doing it themselves by the power that Jesus has given us through the Holy spirit.)

Strangely enough neither the Bible nor God can fix amputations. Can you explain that?
 
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Did you not heal her yourself? Or did you simply ask God to do it?
The bible does not say for you to ask God. It is up to you to do the healing.
(I do not know what you did, I am only asking. Too many times people ask God to heal rather than doing it themselves by the power that Jesus has given us through the Holy spirit.)

Well gosh darn, how silly of me to have not used the exact wording. I forgot God requires you to say an exact set of words rather than listening to the desires of people's hearts, not to mention a whole church's congregation who loved her.

Your post really is one of the most absurd things I've ever read on here.

:doh:
 
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Strangely enough neither the Bible nor God can fix amputations. Can you explain that?
You need to learn the difference between "can't" and "won't".

Luke 22:50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
 
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Well gosh darn, how silly of me to have not used the exact wording. I forgot God requires you to say an exact set of words rather than listening to the desires of people's hearts, not to mention a whole church's congregation who loved her.

Your post really is one of the most absurd things I've ever read on here.

:doh:
So long as you have 100% success I guess it doesn't matter for you.
 
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You need to learn the difference between "can't" and "won't".

Luke 22:50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
You would think that if he could you could show an example. It seems far more likely that the answer is "can't".

By the way, not a reliable source for this sort of claim.
 
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And you know this how?

There are no reliable examples of amputations being healed by your God. I can't find something that does not exist, but you could show me to be wrong with one valid example. I am betting that you can't.
 
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You would think that if he could you could show an example. It seems far more likely that the answer is "can't".
God doesn't cater to your expectations, either.

If that earns Him a "can't" from you, then so be it.
Subduction Zone said:
By the way, not a reliable source for this sort of claim.
Then what did you mean by, "the Bible can't heal amputees"?
 
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The methodology is called kinesiology.
If done right it will not matter about elbow position.
But it should be repeated without moving the elbows.
Kinesiology is the study of human kinetics (movement), and is a respectable scientific discipline; but there are some widely used (abused?) pseudoscientific tricks, often called 'applied kinesiology', claimed to test muscle strength, balance, joint movement, etc., in various ways, and used, particularly in 'before' and 'after' demos, to sell quack treatments and products (chiropractic, magic 'energy focusing' products like 'Power Balance' bracelets & stickers, allergy cures, etc.). The link above has a demo. Some scientific sounding AK claims have been tested and shown to be false.
 
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God doesn't cater to your expectations, either.

We are not talking about just my expectations. Your reasoning needs a tune up.

If that earns Him a "can't" from you, then so be it.Then what did you mean by, "the Bible can't heal amputees"?

Not just from me, but from everyone that has ever looked into this concept. As to your second statement many make the worse mistake of talking about the "power of the Bible" and related nonsense.

It would be easy to show me wrong. All you need to do is to find a valid example contrary to my claim. By the way, since we are discussing the Bible here the Bible is not a valid source to rebut this claim.
 
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