Is the Church raptured? OR do we FLEE to a place of safety!? Find out!

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Pure Preterist Heresy.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore,for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 2:34-36

As long as people marry and still die; it is still "this age"

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There is some flawed reasoning here.
IN the age to come there is no marrying but the age to come is eternal life.
Mark 10:30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.

Heaven is open for business at the end of the age, 1 COR 10:11 and the marrying does not happen in heaven, but marrying carries on here on earth as it always did.

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I find it amazing how confused so many are about what happens to Gods people prior to Christ's return! 1 cor 15:52 clearly says we're made perfect at the sound of the LAST TRUMPET! Which is rev 11:15. ....1 Thess 4:52 is also referring to this moment. The Church is NOT raptured prior to this!

Where does the Church go! Christ tells us to FLEE when we see the abomination of desolation! Where are we fleeing to? What is the abomination of desolation? If you Don't know what it is then how will you know to flee when it happens!?

Scripture promises that God’s most faithful people will be protected from the terrible events that will befall our world before Christ returns. Will you receive that protection?

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The church will not be robbed from her cross. She will go through her passion crucified with Christ till the end. And in her faith the spirit will resurrect his beloved bride.
 
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really take a hard look at isaiah 65:17-23 (isaiah 66:22) compared to luke 20:34-36

do the words "infants"; "child"; "die"; "old man"; "accursed"; "sinner"; "seed"; "offspring" jump out at you?


Take a look at what Jesus said:

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Jesus is quoting from Zechariah, whereby He foretold, through the prophet of the things He would suffer, as well as His Glorious return.

Matthew 24 is Jesus teaching His disciples about His return as foretold in Zechariah.

10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10


He goes on to describe His return with the saints...


Zechariah 14:

1. Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.

  • Clearly this is the day of the Lord, when Jesus returns.



3. Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.
4. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east.

  • Jesus fights against the nations that surround Jerusalem, when He returns.
  • Jesus returns and His feet will stand on the mount of Olives.

5. Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You.

  • Jesus returns to earth with His saints.

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31


11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head weremany crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Revelation 19:11-15



6. It shall come to pass in that day that there will be no light; The lights will diminish.

  • the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven. Matthew 24:29

Jesus was teaching His disciples on the mount of Olives, [Matthew 24] the very mount He will return to, when he comes with His saints to execute vengeance against the nations that have surrounded Jerusalem.

This was foretold, by the Spirit of Christ, through Zechariah the prophet, and has absolutely nothing to do with the events of 70 AD.



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Jesus was teaching His disciples on the mount of Olives, [Matthew 24] the very mount He will return to, when he comes with His saints to execute vengeance against the nations that have surrounded Jerusalem.

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Why would the judge of all man have go to the area they are on earth? Why not judge them at 2 COR 5:10 after their death, Hebrews 9:27 and adjust their inheritance to Hell. Now that would be punishment.

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Why would the judge of all man have go to the area they are on earth? Why not judge them at 2 COR 5:10 after their death, Hebrews 9:27 and adjust their inheritance to Hell. Now that would be punishment.

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so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28

He returns to put an end to all the evil rule and authority on earth, and reign as King over the whole earth.

At His coming, He will resurrect the dead in Christ.


20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24


Do you believe that Jesus Christ has come again, appearing a second time, and put an end to all rule and authority?

Have you physically died, and risen from the dead, now having a physical body that will never die?



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so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
Yes, Jesus will appear to each of us again. That is 2 COR 5:10 which says:
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
That judgment is after we die:Hebrews 9:27
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
So we see Jesus for the second tme after we physically die. The first time we 'SAW' Him was His earthly ministry where we learned of His gospel.
He returns to put an end to all the evil rule and authority on earth, and reign as King over the whole earth.
The return of Jesus to planet earth is a man made story. There is no mention of an earthly reurn of Jesus anywhere in the bible in a physical situation. Jesus will return to each of us believers after our death, Hebrews 9:27 and:
John 14
2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
That is said in 1 Thess 4:17 also:

17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
There we see believers being caught up to be in the cloud in the air WITH the Lord forever. Which is in one of the rooms in heaven forever, NOT on earth for any time.
Verified again from the bible in 2 COR 5:1 which says:
For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24


Do you believe that Jesus Christ has come again, appearing a second time, and put an end to all rule and authority?


I know He has. The great trib was the Judean rebellion and the coming of the Lord is right after that. Jesus, Himself predicted that John , Andrew, James and Peter would see the abomination that preceded those things;
Mark 13:
14 “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
The YOU of that sentence are identified here:
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately,
Jesus had authority over all things back in the days of Matthew as we read here:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Certain denominations teach that Jesus will physically return to earth and develop the ultimate eternal life here. He will not. The utopia for the believer is Heaven and that became available to all believers shortly after the cross as the PAROUSIA of Jesus took place as the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed. Jesus returned in the spiritual realm only, NOT physically to planet earth.
Have you physically died, and risen from the dead, now having a physical body that will never die?
I had an NDE but missed the total death by.... not much!
When we physical die and raise from the dead we do not have a physical body. we have a spiritual body which is invisible to mortals and suitable for eternal life IN heaven. Again certain denominations teach a physical eternity but the bible is very clear it is not.
The verse which verify that are above, ending with 2 COR 5:1.
Colossians 1:5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel
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Yes, Jesus will appear to each of us again.


Jesus will appear to all.

Every eye will see Him, when He comes.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7

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30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30



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Jesus will appear to all.

Every eye will see Him, when He comes.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7

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30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30
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Yes, every eye will see Jesus. Every eye from Adam to the last person to live on earth when the sun burns out. How can that happen? Well, ALL of the dead will SEE Jesus in the resurrections of the dead. You quoted the verses from 1 COR 15:23 and 24, which describe when they are. After that every person who ever lives will SEE Jesus at His judgment set, 2 COR 5;10.
People, believers included continue to live and die after the wrath of God. Rev 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’”
What about the rest of the verses I quoted last post, how do you reconcile them?

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so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28

He returns to put an end to all the evil rule and authority on earth, and reign as King over the whole earth.

At His coming, He will resurrect the dead in Christ.


20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24


Do you believe that Jesus Christ has come again, appearing a second time, and put an end to all rule and authority?

Have you physically died, and risen from the dead, now having a physical body that will never die?



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where does it say anything about the earth in 1 corinthians 15:24?????

additionally, christ's reign never ends

isaiah 9:6-7 (no end to the increase of his government)
daniel 2:44 (in the days of those kings - during the roman empire)
luke 1:31-33 (of his kingdom there shall be no end)
matthew 25:31 (he sits not quits)
ephesians 3:21 (age without end)
revelation 22:3
 
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where does it say anything about the earth in 1 corinthians 15:24?????

additionally, christ's reign never ends

isaiah 9:6-7 (no end to the increase of his government)
daniel 2:44 (in the days of those kings - during the roman empire)
luke 1:31-33 (of his kingdom there shall be no end)
matthew 25:31 (he sits not quits)
ephesians 3:21 (age without end)
revelation 22:3

This only shows us the deceitfulness of your false doctrine, that hyper-spiritualizes away the truth.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.”But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28


Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


I guess in your "theology" there is an end to God's Kingdom in Heaven???

The rulers of this age, on earth, in which the kingdoms of this world are still under the control of evil men, will come to an end when Christ returns from Heaven to earth, to restore all things.

This happens at His Coming.

The resurrection happens at His coming... from Heaven to earth.

But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

His coming from Heaven to earth.


Preterism is Heresy!!!



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This only shows us the deceitfulness of your false doctrine, that hyper-spiritualizes away the truth.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.”But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28


Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


I guess in your "theology" there is an end to God's Kingdom in Heaven???

The rulers of this age, on earth, in which the kingdoms of this world are still under the control of evil men, will come to an end when Christ returns from Heaven to earth, to restore all things.

This happens at His Coming.

The resurrection happens at His coming... from Heaven to earth.

But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

His coming from Heaven to earth.


Preterism is Heresy!!!



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what does christ say about his kingdom in luke 17:20 & john 18:36?

what does paul say about the relationship between death and the law in 1 corinthians 15:54-56 & 2 corinthians 3:7? destroy one and it cancels out the other, right? but wait wasnt one already destroyed in 70 ad?

what does christ say about the nature of the resurrection in 1 corinthians 15:50?

figure it out...
 
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what does christ say about his kingdom in luke 17:20 & john 18:36?

what does paul say about the relationship between death and the law in 1 corinthians 15:54-56 & 2 corinthians 3:7? destroy one and it cancels out the other, right? but wait wasnt one already destroyed in 70 ad?

what does christ say about the nature of the resurrection in 1 corinthians 15:50?

figure it out...

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

This shows us we still await for our bodies to be clothed with immortality.


Something we all are looking forward too.


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you are refusing to listen to the scripture's time windows:

1. when does christ receive his everlasting dominion and kingdom according to daniel 2:44?

during the kings of the fourth beast - rome - time window 27 b.c. to 476 a.d.

2. in what manner does christ receive his everlasting dominion and kingdom according to daniel 7:13-14?

at his ascension back into heaven - time window 30 a.d.

3. when does the resurrection (daniel 12:2) occur according to daniel 12:7?

when the power of the holy people is scattered (deuteronomy 32:36, deuteronomy 32:43 & matthew 23:35-36 & luke 11:49-50 & luke 21:22-24) - time window 70 a.d.

4. when does christ return according matthew 10:23?

before the apostles/disciples cover every city of israel - time window 70 a.d.

5. when does christ return according matthew 16:28 & john 21:22?

before all the apostles/disciples died that stood there with jesus on that day he spoke these words - time window highly doubtful beyond 110 a.d.

6. when will all prophecy be finished/fulfulled according to matthew 24:34 & luke 21:32?

before the generation when he spoke these words ended - time window 70 a.d.

7. how long is a generation according to matthew 1:17 (babylonian captivity = 14 x 40) & hebrews 3:9-10?

forty years - time window 70 a.d.

are saying jesus was a false prophet?
 
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you are refusing to listen to the scripture's time windows:

1. when does christ receive his everlasting dominion and kingdom according to daniel 2:44?

during the kings of the fourth beast - rome - time window 27 b.c. to 476 a.d.

2. in what manner does christ receive his everlasting dominion and kingdom according to daniel 7:13-14?

at his ascension back into heaven - time window 30 a.d.

3. when does the resurrection (daniel 12:2) occur according to daniel 12:7?

when the power of the holy people is scattered (deuteronomy 32:36, deuteronomy 32:43 & matthew 23:35-36 & luke 11:49-50 & luke 21:22-24) - time window 70 a.d.

4. when does christ return according matthew 10:23?

before the apostles/disciples cover every city of israel - time window 70 a.d.

5. when does christ return according matthew 16:28 & john 21:22?

before all the apostles/disciples died that stood there with jesus on that day he spoke these words - time window highly doubtful beyond 110 a.d.

6. when will all prophecy be finished/fulfulled according to matthew 24:34 & luke 21:32?

before the generation when he spoke these words ended - time window 70 a.d.

7. how long is a generation according to matthew 1:17 (babylonian captivity = 14 x 40) & hebrews 3:9-10?

forty years - time window 70 a.d.

are saying jesus was a false prophet?

Have you physically died?

You will be resurrected from the dead, at His coming, along with all those who are His.

To be resurrected from the dead, you first must die.
 
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Have you physically died?

You will be resurrected from the dead, at His coming, along with all those who are His.

To be resurrected from the dead, you first must die.

the resurrection occured in 70 a.d., the resurrection isnt physical 1 corinthians 15:50.

christ restored the edenic relationship and gave us life eternal and a precious inheritance 1 peter 1:4.

adam and eve were never immortal flesh but they struck us with the second death... which is eternal separation from god and damnation. they literally died the day they ate the fruit but it wasnt a physical death and they were expelled from the garden for their sin and before they could grab hold of the tree of life.

the ot saints were held in sheol because they werent perfected yet by the blood of christ. yet nothing in law can fail before its passing.
 
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the resurrection occured in 70 a.d., the resurrection isnt physical 1 corinthians 15:50.


Pure Heresy.

Nothing happened in 70 AD, except the City and Sanctuary were destroyed.

The Olivet discourse mentions nothing of the events of 70 AD.

The Olivet Discourse, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 are Jesus teaching from Zechariah about the end of the age, when He come with the saints from Heaven to receive their resurrection bodies.

The Resurrection of the dead in Christ is the Resurrection of the physically dead bodies.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23



Those who teach Heresy, are Heretics, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Heresies are list among the works of the flesh, as those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21


The Olivet Discourse is Jesus teaching about the day of the Lord from Zechariah.


Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.

2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light; The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day Which is known to the Lord— Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7


Preterism is Heresy.



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Pure Heresy.

Nothing happened in 70 AD, except the City and Sanctuary were destroyed.

The Olivet discourse mentions nothing of the events of 70 AD.

The Olivet Discourse, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 are Jesus teaching from Zechariah about the end of the age, when He come with the saints from Heaven to receive their resurrection bodies.

The Resurrection of the dead in Christ is the Resurrection of the physically dead bodies.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23



Those who teach Heresy, are Heretics, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Heresies are list among the works of the flesh, as those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21


The Olivet Discourse is Jesus teaching about the day of the Lord from Zechariah.


Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
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For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light; The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day Which is known to the Lord— Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7


Preterism is Heresy.



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Here, from the KJV is the end of the world:
1 COR 10
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Zech 14:3 says the Lord fights as He does in a battle... do you think He does hand to hand combat or does He stay in heaven and WILL the outcome?

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Here, from the KJV is the end of the world:
1 COR 10
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Zech 14:3 says the Lord fights as He does in a battle... do you think He does hand to hand combat or does He stay in heaven and WILL the outcome?

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Jesus will not stay in heaven for the battle in Rev 19. No one knows exactly what the sword he uses will really be since most know that is a metaphor.

God the Father destroys an army from heaven but that is long after the second coming battle.
 
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Jesus will not stay in heaven for the battle in Rev 19. No one knows exactly what the sword he uses will really be since most know that is a metaphor.

God the Father destroys an army from heaven but that is long after the second coming battle.
I would say the sword of His mouth would be His word. The battle of Rev 19 is the heavenly view of the great tribulation. In heaven as John watches the event he sees a fight between good and evil where good wins. On earth the great trib is going on. Jesus appears to those suffer the wrath of God, but the spiritual realm is everywhere that the physical world is not.

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I would say the sword of His mouth would be His word. The battle of Rev 19 is the heavenly view of the great tribulation.

Actually it's after the tribulation has ended. The tribulation is solely the period of time the beast has to rule the world, 42 months in which he rules and persecutes the saints. After that time is over Jesus returns and defeats the beast and army. We see this same timeframe here:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

That sign of the son of man in heaven is the same thing John saw:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


So one mentions Jesus being seen and then his angels, the other Jesus is seen and his army which includes angels.

Same exact time and events. this also of course is another way to prove Jesus was a true prophet because he spoke of this long before John was shown it.
 
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