Is the Church raptured? OR do we FLEE to a place of safety!? Find out!

random person · Mar 4, 2016

JLB777 said:
The resurrection from the dead, occurs for all those who have died, at His Coming.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

All who have died shall be made alive, AT HIS COMING.

Preterism is Heresy.

Those who teach Preterism are heretics.

Those who teach heresies will not inherit the kingdom of God.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

If you don't inherit the kingdom of God, the only other option is inheriting the everlasting fires of hell, along with the devil and his angels.

JLB

preterism is not heresy we honor the imminent time statements of jesus and the apostles that everything will be fulfilled before the generation passed.

history confirms that the destruction of temple in jerusalem, the cessation of the sacrifices of the mosaic law and the desolation of jerusalem took place in ad 70, in the generation in which jesus lived. daniel 9:26-27

jesus said some of disciples would still alive matthew 16:27-28

jesus foretold of his coming in glory and a judgment that would occur while some of his disciples were still alive matthew 24:30-34

paul also spoke of the lord's coming during the lifetime of his disciples 1 thessalonians 4:15-16

the hebrews author declared that christ was coming in "a very very little while and would not tarry" hebrews 10:37

james writing to jewish christians that lived in his generation would see his coming and judgment "be patient the coming of the lord is at hand" and again "the judge stands at the doors" james 5:5-9

you have a faulty concept of the resurrection running contrary to 1 corinthians 15:50; 1 corinthians 15:56; 2 corinthians 3:7.

ewq1938 · Mar 4, 2016

random person said:
preterism is not heresy

Full Preterism is heresy because it teaches all prophecy is fulfilled and Christ's second coming already happened. Partial is based on many misinterpretations that most prophecy was fulfilled in Ad 70 when only one small prophecy was fulfilled.

random person · Mar 4, 2016

ewq1938 said:
Full Preterism is heresy because it teaches all prophecy is fulfilled and Christ's second coming already happened. Partial is based on many misinterpretations that most prophecy was fulfilled in Ad 70 when only one small prophecy was fulfilled.

how much prophecy would finished according daniel 12:7?

how much prophecy would be fulfilled before the generation in which christ lived passed away according to matthew 24:34 & luke 21:32?

remember christ used the near demonstrative "this generation" rather than the far demonstrative "that generation"

ewq1938 · Mar 4, 2016

random person said:
how much prophecy would finished according daniel 12:7?

how much prophecy would be fulfilled before the generation in which christ lived passed away according to matthew 24:34 & luke 21:32?

remember christ used the near demonstrative "this generation" rather than the far demonstrative "that generation"

Yes, he was speaking about the generation he was describing not the generation of people listening. Typical misinterpretation.

What proves your doctrine wrong is that none of the olivet discourse happened, namely the return of Christ and the rapture and resurrection, defeat of the beast and his army etc etc etc.

The full Preterist argument is as sound as trying to convince me it is Ad 176 and America hasn't been discovered yet.

random person · Mar 5, 2016

ewq1938 said:
Yes, he was speaking about the generation he was describing not the generation of people listening. Typical misinterpretation.

What proves your doctrine wrong is that none of the olivet discourse happened, namely the return of Christ and the rapture and resurrection, defeat of the beast and his army etc etc etc.

The full Preterist argument is as sound as trying to convince me it is Ad 176 and America hasn't been discovered yet.

a generation in the bible is 40 years look up the wandering in the desert passages or luke's geneaology.

death and resurrection 30 ad - daniel's 70th week 70 ad = 40 years (a bible generation)

ewq1938 · Mar 5, 2016

random person said:
a generation in the bible is 40 years look up the wandering in the desert passages or luke's geneaology.

lol, a generation is not only one certain length of time plus that is irrelevant. Jesus was speaking about a certain FUTURE generation not the people that were there listening.

WretchedGoat · Mar 5, 2016

I don't understand how there were 69 weeks of Daniel's prophecy, then a halt of a long period of time, and then the last week of his prophecy being interpreted as a "seven year tribulation" at the end of time before the 2nd coming. It doesn't make any sense. All of Daniel's timeline where it concerns the coming of the Messiah makes perfect sense scripturally, but that last "week" seems like people are reading info into scripture that isn't really there.

JLB777 · Mar 5, 2016

random person said:
preterism is not heresy we honor the imminent time statements of jesus and the apostles that everything will be fulfilled before the generation passed.

history confirms that the destruction of temple in jerusalem, the cessation of the sacrifices of the mosaic law and the desolation of jerusalem took place in ad 70, in the generation in which jesus lived. daniel 9:26-27

jesus said some of disciples would still alive matthew 16:27-28

jesus foretold of his coming in glory and a judgment that would occur while some of his disciples were still alive matthew 24:30-34

paul also spoke of the lord's coming during the lifetime of his disciples 1 thessalonians 4:15-16

the hebrews author declared that christ was coming in "a very very little while and would not tarry" hebrews 10:37

james writing to jewish christians that lived in his generation would see his coming and judgment "be patient the coming of the lord is at hand" and again "the judge stands at the doors" james 5:5-9

you have a faulty concept of the resurrection running contrary to 1 corinthians 15:50; 1 corinthians 15:56; 2 corinthians 3:7.

Save your defense of Heresy.

Preterism is a cancer on the body of Christ.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18

who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;

The scriptures teach us that those who have turned from the truth, have returned to be "sinners"...

In which if they don't repent, turn back, they will be condemned to death.
The second death; eternal death.

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20

When Jesus returns at the end of the age, The resurrection of the dead in Christ will occur, whereby all those who are His will be resurrected from the dead, and receive immortal bodies that will never die.
Luke 20:34-36

JLB

random person · Mar 5, 2016

JLB777 said:
Save your defense of Heresy.

Preterism is a cancer on the body of Christ.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18

who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;

The scriptures teach us that those who have turned from the truth, have returned to be "sinners"...

In which if they don't repent, turn back, they will be condemned to death.
The second death; eternal death.

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20

When Jesus returns at the end of the age, The resurrection of the dead in Christ will occur, whereby all those who are His will be resurrected from the dead, and receive immortal bodies that will never die.
Luke 20:34-36

JLB

in case you dont realize 2 timothy was written before the destruction of jerusalem and the jewish age.

what does isaiah 65:20; isaiah 65:21-23; isaiah 66:24; revelation 21:27; revelation 22:2; revelation 22:15 speak to you personally?

why does the new heavens and new earth still have death?

why does the new heavens and new earth still have aging -infants, dying children, and dying old men?

why does the new heavens and new earth still have sin and sinners?

isnt new birth supposed to be gone?

isnt aging supposed to be gone?

isnt sin and death supposed to be gone? arent sinners supposed to be completely extinct?

JLB777 · Mar 5, 2016

random person said:
in case you dont realize 2 timothy was written before the destruction of jerusalem and the jewish age.

So such thing as a "Jewish age".

This is a man made term to prop up a man made doctrine.

This age began with Adam, and continues until the coming of the Lord and the Resurrection of the dead.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 2:34-36

As long as people marry and still die; it is still "this age"

You have been taken in by a heretical teaching, that is deceiving the Church.

You are in danger!

If you don't stop and repent and ask the Lord to forgive you for spreading Heresy, like cancer, you will be given over to this deception and overcome.

Please repent.

JLB

MoonofIsaiah · Mar 5, 2016

Light of the East said:
I find it interesting that you have picked up on the words "the last trump" and yet seem to not realize that the passages which are claimed to teach a "rapture of the Church" are in fact speaking of the resurrection at the end of time.

There is that of course.
And then there is what seems like consistent spamming of these forums as TW keeps posting threads to invite discussion about articles they've already written affirming something in Apologetics. And that they've posted on their own website by the same name as that of their screen name here>: Tomorrows World.

Why would they seek to debate with us when they've posted from a place of knowledge on the site they are paying for elsewhere on the net?

random person · Mar 6, 2016

JLB777 said:
So such thing as a "Jewish age".

This is a man made term to prop up a man made doctrine.

This age began with Adam, and continues until the coming of the Lord and the Resurrection of the dead.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 2:34-36

As long as people marry and still die; it is still "this age"

You have been taken in by a heretical teaching, that is deceiving the Church.

You are in danger!

If you don't stop and repent and ask the Lord to forgive you for spreading Heresy, like cancer, you will be given over to this deception and overcome.

Please repent.

JLB

nope you are removing jesus' argument from its context luke 20:27-36 compared to deuteronomy 25:5-10

levirate mandatory marriages for childless deceased brethren (mandatory not optional) under the mosaic law were installed IN ORDER to sustain children for the kingdom of israel and maintain the right to an inheritance of land will no longer exist in the christian age. the kingdom of israel is quite literally sustained by mandatory marriages and children. the sons of god were produced by physical births in the mosaic age but not so in the christian age. remember the ethiopian eunuch...

the levirate mandatory marriages for childless brethren under the mosaic age will be removed in the church age!

and this speaks volumes on land inheritances too!

random person · Mar 6, 2016

jlb777,

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-messianic-age-in-judaism/

random person · Mar 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
lol, a generation is not only one certain length of time plus that is irrelevant. Jesus was speaking about a certain FUTURE generation not the people that were there listening.

if christ was speaking about a distant future generation he would used the far demonstrative of "that" generation instead of the near demonstrative of "this" generation.

JLB777 · Mar 6, 2016

random person said:
nope you are removing jesus' argument from its context luke 20:27-36 compared to deuteronomy 25:5-10

Jesus didn't argue, He just stated the truth.

As long as people marry and are given in marriage and they still are able to die, it is still
"THIS AGE".

The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.

News Flash: people marry everyday; it's still this age!

“The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

People who state their opinion and "tag" their opinion with a scripture reference, know they are trying to hide what the actual scripture really says.

JLB

Justme · Mar 6, 2016

JLB777 said:
Jesus didn't argue, He just stated the truth.

As long as people marry and are given in marriage and they still are able to die, it is still
"THIS AGE".

The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.

News Flash: people marry everyday; it's still this age!

“The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

People who state their opinion and "tag" their opinion with a scripture reference, know they are trying to hide what the actual scripture really says.

JLB

We are in the age to come, 1 COR 10:11 and THIS age is the age when the bible was written.

There are only two ages , THIS age and the age to come. Again 1 COR 10:11.
Justme

JLB777 · Mar 6, 2016

Justme said:
We are in the age to come, 1 COR 10:11 and THIS age is the age when the bible was written.

There are only two ages , THIS age and the age to come. Again 1 COR 10:11.
Justme

Pure Preterist Heresy.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore,for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 2:34-36

As long as people marry and still die; it is still "this age"

JLB

random person · Mar 6, 2016

JLB777 said:
Jesus didn't argue, He just stated the truth.

As long as people marry and are given in marriage and they still are able to die, it is still
"THIS AGE".

The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.

News Flash: people marry everyday; it's still this age!

“The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

People who state their opinion and "tag" their opinion with a scripture reference, know they are trying to hide what the actual scripture really says.

JLB

incorrect the saducees where inquiring about mandatory marriages under the law for widows whose husbands didnt produce children in how it relates to the resurrection.

jesus tells them there will be no more mandatory marriages between widows and the brethren of deceased childless husbands in the age to come (the church age) neither does heaven host marriages for we shall be like angels.

random person · Mar 6, 2016

JLB777 said:
Pure Preterist Heresy.

34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore,for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 2:34-36

As long as people marry and still die; it is still "this age"

JLB

isaiah 65:17 = isaiah 65:20 & isaiah 65:23

isaiah 66:22

a new heavens and new earth is the new covenant not a new physical heaven and earth.

random person · Mar 6, 2016

random person said:
isaiah 65:17 = isaiah 65:20 & isaiah 65:23

isaiah 66:22

a new heavens and new earth is the new covenant not a new physical heaven and earth.

jlb777

really take a hard look at isaiah 65:17-23 (isaiah 66:22) compared to luke 20:34-36

do the words "infants"; "child"; "die"; "old man"; "accursed"; "sinner"; "seed"; "offspring" jump out at you?

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