Egyptian Mythology VS The Bible

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I don't think there are many very close parallels in Egyptian mythology.

There are much better parallels in things like the Flood Myth from the Ancient Near East, which is very similar to the Genesis Flood myth, and predates the bible by very many years.

Combat it? You can't combat facts. You just have to deal with it in some way. Like... 'The authors of the Old Testament included some myths that were generally current in the time in which they lived. Perhaps for their instructive value in understanding the relations between gods and mankind.'
 
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By combat it, I'm referring to a few friends of mine that have brought this up in debate and left me stumped.

How would you respond to someone who brought this into a debate?

Two ways, which may seem a bit contradictory but they're not. Both answers require some depth but I'll just give short answers.

1. When you dig into the actual facts, one by one, they rarely present actual specific commonalities. This kind of thing pre-dates the Zeitgeist film but scholars have always been able to show that the facts presented are either lies, half-lies, misunderstandings, misrepresentations, erroneous dating, illogical suppositions, etc.

2. It doesn't ultimately matter because Christianity never really claimed to be an utterly new revelation. If peoples had myths of dying gods it only tells us that people were onto something which was a truth but which hadn't happened yet, like a hypothesis, you could say. Christ is "the myth that came true". Many peoples around the world were in tune with ideas of sin, afterlife, sacrifice, death and resurrection, etc. What makes Christianity special is that it describes the one point in history where it actually happened before people's eyes.
 
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How would you respond to someone who brought this into a debate?

A common Christian defense I heard is that Satan sent future information thousands of years to the past to Egyptian Occultists.

What they're saying is that Egyptian witches opened a portal in time with the help of Satan to see things from the future and tried to copied it - to help undermine the Christian religion.

It's a conspiracy theory of a grand scale which is unlikely.

Ironically, the Ancient Egyptian theology provided superior details on what could be the life work of Christ.

The Bible only hinted on the shape-shifting abilities of Christ. Egyptian mythology described this in full. It is logically expected of someone in Christ's supernatural abilities.

Also, what did Christ do in Egypt, in all those years of hiding? Subsequently earning all of the miraculous abilities of the priestesses of Isis?
 
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How would you respond to someone who brought this into a debate?
It's reading stuff into Egyptian mythology that is not there. As essentialsaltes pointed out the story of Gilgamesh and the myths of Ancient Near East are of more relevance to the old testement.
 
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Two ways, which may seem a bit contradictory but they're not. Both answers require some depth but I'll just give short answers.

1. When you dig into the actual facts, one by one, they rarely present actual specific commonalities. This kind of thing pre-dates the Zeitgeist film but scholars have always been able to show that the facts presented are either lies, half-lies, misunderstandings, misrepresentations, erroneous dating, illogical suppositions, etc.

2. It doesn't ultimately matter because Christianity never really claimed to be an utterly new revelation. If peoples had myths of dying gods it only tells us that people were onto something which was a truth but which hadn't happened yet, like a hypothesis, you could say. Christ is "the myth that came true". Many peoples around the world were in tune with ideas of sin, afterlife, sacrifice, death and resurrection, etc. What makes Christianity special is that it describes the one point in history where it actually happened before people's eyes.

The myth-to-reality hypothesis only works if the events described in the NT actually happened. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
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Egyptian Mythology tells a lot of the most important stories of the Bible in incredible accuracy, but PREDATES the Bible by very many years.
If this is true than that makes the Bible a copy and the Christian religion completely crumbles..
How can we combat this?

Why do you need to combat it? Why not just accept it?
 
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What makes Christianity special is that it describes the one point in history where it actually happened before people's eyes.

It CLAIMS to do so.

Meanwhile, Islam is special because it's the only faith which sees winged horses carrying prophets to heaven. Before people's eyes. You see how that works?
 
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The myth-to-reality hypothesis only works if the events described in the NT actually happened. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

No it works fine even if they didn't happen. Read the OP again.
It CLAIMS to do so.

Meanwhile, Islam is special because it's the only faith which sees winged horses carrying prophets to heaven. Before people's eyes. You see how that works?

No the winged horse rode during the middle of the night. The faith didn't see it.
 
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It CLAIMS to do so.

Meanwhile, Islam is special because it's the only faith which sees winged horses carrying prophets to heaven. Before people's eyes. You see how that works?


We do it one better.
(2Ki 2:11 JPS) And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, which parted them both assunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
 
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Why do you need to combat it? Why not just accept it?

I have printouts of Ancient Egyptian depictions of their mythology and stuck them in my halls.

If this is proto-Christianity, at least they have original drawings!

It seems to draw spirits, particularly of a woman. I have began using those symbols for protection from evil spirits and it works quite well. I can't help it as we have ancestors that practiced occult, maybe Romani (Gypsies) - to protect against any negative influence from the ancestry.

I particularly have the "hall of judgement" to threaten any bad spirit.
 
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(2Ki 2:11 JPS) And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, which parted them both assunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Nice :)

Must be true then :D
 
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Egyptian Mythology tells a lot of the most important stories of the Bible in incredible accuracy, but PREDATES the Bible by very many years.
If this is true than that makes the Bible a copy and the Christian religion completely crumbles..
How can we combat this?

Well that escalated quickly.

I'm unaware of many parallels in biblical stories and Egyptian mythology--there are however parallels in Mesopotamian mythology, such as the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh.

But that the Hebrews had myths in common with other near eastern cultures doesn't make the Bible a "copy", the Bible contains a great deal of original material in the first place, also the Christian religion isn't dependent on the stories of mythological accounts in Genesis being literally true; the Christian religion is dependent on the story of Jesus, including His passion and resurrection, being historically true.

If one wanted to make the Christian religion crumble, it would be as simple as finding a way to irrefutably demonstrate that either

A. Jesus of Nazareth never existed
B. The historical Jesus is still dead.

These are the historical linchpins upon which the entire Christian theological structure stands or falls.

However proving A is somewhat difficult and very few credible historians or scholars entertain the notion that there was no Jesus at all; and B would effectively have to require finding Jesus' bodily remains. Finding the remains of a two thousand year old dead man and being able to properly identify them as being Jesus seems like a difficult chore.

Ultimately, I'd say, even these are unfalsifiable faith claims which Christianity makes, and the issue with unfalsifiability is that it renders the veracity of the claim to be rather indeterminable. And is most likely in the same category as things such as "there's an invisible pink unicorn" or "G/gods exist" etc.

That's the difficulty with faith claims, they aren't believed because of their demonstrable credibility, but usually in spite of that.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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By combat it, I'm referring to a few friends of mine that have brought this up in debate and left me stumped.

What exactly did they bring up in debate?

The only "Egyptian mythology parallel" that I've ever really heard mentioned tends to be in reference to Jesus being a copy of Osiris. The way to combat that is by familiarizing yourself with the actual stories of Osiris which existed in antiquity. And to make Osiris' story look like Jesus' story requires either completely making things up or at least stretching to the point of meaninglessness.

About Osiris:

Osiris was murdered by his brother Set and his body cut up into pieces, Isis the sister-wife of Osiris traveled all over Egypt collecting all the members of his body, but couldn't find his phallus. So she constructed a golden phallus, and using an incantation momentarily brought Osiris back to life so that she could copulate with him and be impregnated, Osiris then died again and was born anew as the king of the underworld.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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