At a particular Church the Pastor would not quit talking about himself in his sermons. On any given Sunday you heard way more about him than you did Jesus Christ.
Actually the scriptures state that the resurrection occurs at the last day.
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At a particular Church the Pastor would not quit talking about himself in his sermons. On any given Sunday you heard way more about him than you did Jesus Christ.
Actually the scriptures state that the resurrection occurs at the last day.
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On the first note, that stinks, but you should have confronted him about that. If we aren't looking out for each other's best interest, then we don't function very well as a body.
Secondly, show me what Scripture you are referencing and I will explain it.
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John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Going back to the Greek the words "last day" mean exactly that. It is the final day of this age when Jesus Christ returns. The last day is the final day and can mean nothing else.
We can deduce a couple of things by reading these verses:
1. The resurrection occurs on the last day.
2. The dead rise prior to the rapture (catching away).
3. The rapture (catching away) must occur on or after the last day.
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The resurrection happens just prior to the catching away as the verse in Thessalonians 4 says...."the dead in Christ rise first". And yes, the last day is the final day of this age before eternity with God and Christ begins. So we can easily see by reading these scriptures that the rapture or catching away happens at the end of time which will be after any tribulation period takes place.
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Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf
Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf
PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418
Genesis of Dispensational Theology (on YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4RS5pDntQ
Left Behind or Led Astray?
http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9iRT91_pyo
Who Confirmed The Covenant?
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023
What is New Covenant Theology?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHR99-rnqt8
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no it is last day of the mosaic age
the church age has no end ephesians 3:21
the resurrection occured during israel's judgment
daniel 12:2 & daniel 12:6-7 in the 70 weeks of daniel
his increase never ceases isaiah 9:7
the christian seed never perishes isaiah 65:23 & isaiah 66:22
the gates of heaven never shuts isaiah 60:5 & isaiah 60:11 & revelation 21:24-25 (ephesians 4:26; hebrews 12:22)
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The resurrection occurs on the last day at the end of the age otherwise how would you rise again.
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Sounds like preterist theology where the Lord returned and the resurrection occurred in 70 ad.
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None of these verses refute a pre-trib rapture nor support another idea.
This is simple. Read 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5 "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" and Matthew 24:----- Hey, I hate to do this,but I have to go to bed and will be very busy the next few days, so I'll link you to this webpage http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End of the World/pretrib_proof.htm
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I found one Calvary Chapel pastor to be a big rock star who surrounded himself with a select group or clique. He alone would decide if you're accepted or not. The church is a revolving door and a waste of time I'm afraid. The elders were not suited for the job, and never rotated. It was a mess sadly.
I'm not upset anymore, but it's just my observations with one, and when you ask enough former attendants you reach a rather straightforward conclusion. However, I'll be doing missionary work at one in Japan for the second time and have nothing but good to say about it.
I'm not upset anymore, but it's just my observations with one, and when you ask enough former attendants you reach a rather straightforward conclusion. However, I'll be doing missionary work at one in Japan for the second time and have nothing but good to say about it.
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full preterism or covenantal eschatological which is what i am.
we properly believe the time imminent statements of christ take precedence over certain prophecy expressions that are found strewn throughout the ot and are obviously idioms and hyperboles. because the prophets such as isaiah and ezekiel used these very same expressions to describe god's judgment on long dead kingdoms that have never risen again. there was never any literal dissolution of the universe.
compare isaiah 13:9-10; ezekiel 32:7-11; isaiah 34:4-5; amos 5:18; amos 8:9; micah 1:3-7 with for example matthew 24:29 & luke 21:25-26?
ezekiel 32:7-8 = ezekiel 32:11
isaiah 19:1 = isaiah 19:2; isaiah 19:4; isaiah 20:4
joel 2:1 & joel 2:10 = joel 2:2-9
revelation 6:12-14 = revelation 6:15-16
"new heavens and new earth" (isaiah 65:17; isaiah 66:21; revelation 21:1)
1. why are there still infants? isaiah 65:20
2. why is there still a seed and offspring? isaiah 65:23 & isaiah 66:21
3. why do children still die? isaiah 65:20
4. why does sin and sinners still exist? isaiah 65:20; revelation 21:27; & revelation 22:15
5. why do people still plant and build? isaiah 65:21-23
6. why do the nations still require an act of healing? revelation 22:2
7. why are there still carcases? isaiah 66:24
because it is not the dissolution of the physical universe (genesis 8:21; psalms 72:7; psalms 72:17; ecclesiastes 1:4; ephesians 3:21) but the dissolution of a covenant (isaiah 51:15-16; jeremiah 31:35-36)!
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So you don't believe the words of Jesus Christ that the resurrection occurs on the last day?
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the last day of what?
a ) the mosaic covenant (daniel 12:2-7)
b ) the church age (isaiah 9:7; isaiah 65:23; isaiah 66:21; ephesians 3:21)
c ) the universe (genesis 8:21; psalms 72:7; psalms 72:17; ecclesiastes 1:4)
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The last day is the final day of this world before the new heavens and new earth; after that the resurrection occurs and we are with Christ for eternity.
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where does it say it is the final day of the earth?
hebrews 1:2 states jesus appeared on earth during the last days
hebrews 9:26 states jesus died during the end of the age
isaiah 65:17-25 describes life under the new heavens and new earth
the resurrection is being raised up from sheol into heaven 1 corinthians 15:50; 1 peter 1:4; & john 18:36. the law cant pass away until all of it is all fulfilled matthew 5:17-18.
this includes the resurrection which is the hope of israel
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I am sure that preterism is NOT a doctrinal plank of the Calvary Chapel. That discussion should be taken to another forum.
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