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Wow, I googled "Nepalese found in vaccines, looking for coverage in mainstream press (ha, ha).
Of course they won't touch it, but look how much coverage it is getting everywhere else:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nagalese+found+in+vaccines

Wow ! I knew big corporations can be satanic killers (in effect, their principals - national interest, don't you know....), when their 'bottom lion' is threatened, but you never get used to the idea, do you ?
 
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Oh, my goodness... I can't even imagine what she and her parents went through. I never thought I'd write this words, but I think it a blessing, of sorts, that her illness lasted only 2 weeks before she was freed from it.

I cried reading about her. That baby was tortured by meningitis. It's heartbreaking for real.
 
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Congrats on your credentials.
Have you done any research or study on how science information and protocols get compromised by funding and media?
"Science doesn't lie", but scientists and research executives can be placed under immense pressure... fear for your life kind of pressure.
Why not take that baby step toward enlightenment yourself while waiting for help ?
Surely you are familiar with search engines and key words...

Research fully funded and meticulously overseen by anti-vaxxers have concluded with the same results as the plethora of other tests around the world over numerous years. An autism advocacy organization that is in fervent opposition to vaccination despite the science overwhelmingly contradicting their stance, poured hundreds of millions of dollars into funding a ten-year extensive study at several leading medical, academic, and science research institutions to try to establish a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Every possible measure to ensure the integrity of the data and the published findings was scrupulously taken. Their expensive, extensive study concluded that no such link exists. Vaccines do not cause autism. The chief science officer at the Autism Science Foundation, which has profoundly different outlook than the other organization, has described the challenge of disproving that vaccines cause autism to be like a game of "whack of mole." Every time a hypothesized link is throughly disproven, anti-vaxxers pop another one up; it is also disproven, and then another, and another, and another pop up, and each one is whacked down, but the target keeps moving.

Have you researched the financial motivations of those propagating the anti-vaccination lobby? Andrew Wakefield, who has been called the "father of the anti-vaccination movement" had enormous financial motives that would only pay off if the results of his now throughly debunked infamous study appeared to reached the conclusions he decided on in advance. The bogus data revealing the appearance of a link between vaccines and autism that launched the worldwide scare of the MMR vaccine and was culpable in large part for the resurgence of measles in countries where it had been virtually eliminated through the proper use of vaccination, was manufactured and lead by a man driven by avarice.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opi...ves-launching-mmr-autism-scare-investigative-

As BMJ editor Fiona Godlee noted in an accompanying editorial, Wakefield’s paper “was in fact an elaborate fraud.”


This week, in a second BMJ article, Deer provides evidence of a strong motivation for that fraud: money. Big money. For although Wakefield failed to disclose it when his Lancet paper was published, he was actively involved at the time in establishing several potentially lucrative autism-related medical businesses.

He and his investors wouldn’t make a dime, however, unless the MMR vaccine could be shown to be linked to what Wakefield declared was a new syndrome of brain and bowel disease — “autistic entercolitis.” (The existence of this syndrome is now considered highly dubious.)

For one of his business ventures, Wakefield planned to develop his own “replacement” vaccine for MMR. For another, he intended to develop and sell testing kits that would let doctors diagnose autistic entercolitis. In a business prospectus for investors, Wakefield said the testing kits alone would generate $44 million in annual revenues.

He also said the initial market for the kits would be the “litigation driven testing of patients with AE [autistic entercolitis] from both the UK and USA.”

Wakefield knew something about the big money that could be earned from vaccine litigation. Before he published his Lancet paper, he had received the British pound equivalent of hundreds of thousands of dollars from a law firm involved in product liability suits against vaccine makers — another fact he failed to make public at the time.

Some of Wakefield’s business efforts were put into motion long before he knew the results of his research for the Lancet paper — even before the first child in the study had been fully medically investigated, Deer reports.

For Wakefield, therefore, a lot of money rode on whether or not his research findings supported a connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.

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I googled this guy, and it turns out he doesn't eat babies!

- I know, hard to believe, right?

http://vaxxter.com/index.php/2016/02/20/pediatrician-slams-vaccines-cause-autism/

You are correct that he doesn't eat babies, but the article you've posted about him is still hard to believe because it's full of lies. It begins with the statement: "Dr. Kenneth P Stoller, MD, is a former Pediatrician at UCLA who resigned because he says that the American Academy of Pediatrics KNOWS Vaccines cause autism and tried to hide it." Here's the first major problem in that sentence: Kenneth Stoller was never employed as a pediatrician by UCLA, and he did not graduate from their medical school. It's possible that he at some point was on UCLA's campus chilling out on the quad or buying something in the campus bookstore after he was licensed, making it technically true that he was a pediatrician at UCLA, but he was never employed there in that capacity. He also was not educated at UCLA's Medical School, but he likes to claim that he was in the various articles and bios he writes about himself on the internet. In actuality, he is a 1982 graduate of the American University of the Caribbean. That's a real school but one that's much less illustrious than UCLA. It's possible he might have gone to UCLA for undergrad or something, but not for medical school as he poses. The New Mexico Medical Board rapped his knuckles for fudging his medical and his educational credentials both in a testimony he gave in a child abuse case (which is a whole other issue I'm too tired to go into now) and online. Actually the rest of the sentence isn't even worth addressing at this late hour because the beginning shattered credibility. He long has a reputation for being a bit eccentric - he wrote a memoir and listed the author as his deceased son whom he believes communicates with him from the afterlife - but he also was accused of prescribing dangerous drugs to treat a child for medical conditions that did not exist over a lengthy time period.
 
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Wow ! I knew big corporations can be satanic killers (in effect, their principals - national interest, don't you know....), when their 'bottom lion' is threatened, but you never get used to the idea, do you ?
Only the the pod people are able to take it in stride when the Supreme Court decides money is speech and corporations are people.
 
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You are correct that he doesn't eat babies, but the article you've posted about him is still hard to believe because it's full of lies. It begins with the statement: "Dr. Kenneth P Stoller, MD, is a former Pediatrician at UCLA who resigned because he says that the American Academy of Pediatrics KNOWS Vaccines cause autism and tried to hide it." Here's the first major problem in that sentence: Kenneth Stoller was never employed as a pediatrician by UCLA, and he did not graduate from their medical school. It's possible that he at some point was on UCLA's campus chilling out on the quad or buying something in the campus bookstore after he was licensed, making it technically true that he was a pediatrician at UCLA, but he was never employed there in that capacity. He also was not educated at UCLA's Medical School, but he likes to claim that he was in the various articles and bios he writes about himself on the internet. In actuality, ...~
The article doesn't say he graduated from UCLA, and as for the rest, thank you for the interesting hearsay.
 
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"Stanfordella, post: 69315029, member: 354769"]Research fully funded and meticulously overseen by anti-vaxxers have concluded with the same results as the plethora of other tests around the world over numerous years. An autism advocacy organization that is in fervent opposition to vaccination despite the science overwhelmingly contradicting their stance, poured hundreds of millions of dollars into funding a ten-year extensive study at several leading medical, academic, and science research institutions to try to establish a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Every possible measure to ensure the integrity of the data and the published findings was scrupulously taken. Their expensive, extensive study concluded that no such link exists. Vaccines do not cause autism. The chief science officer at the Autism Science Foundation, which has profoundly different outlook than the other organization, has described the challenge of disproving that vaccines cause autism to be like a game of "whack of mole." Every time a hypothesized link is throughly disproven, anti-vaxxers pop another one up; it is also disproven, and then another, and another, and another pop up, and each one is whacked down, but the target keeps moving.

Have you researched the financial motivations of those propagating the anti-vaccination lobby? Andrew Wakefield, who has been called the "father of the anti-vaccination movement" had enormous financial motives that would only pay off if the results of his now throughly debunked infamous study appeared to reached the conclusions he decided on in advance. The bogus data revealing the appearance of a link between vaccines and autism that launched the worldwide scare of the MMR vaccine and was culpable in large part for the resurgence of measles in countries where it had been virtually eliminated through the proper use of vaccination, was manufactured and lead by a man driven by avarice.

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opi...ves-launching-mmr-autism-scare-investigative-
Thank you! Good post. Great article.[
 
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Only the the pod people are able to take it in stride when the Supreme Court decides money is speech and corporations are people.

'pod people' ! That's a new one on me. Must Google it. Sci- Fi, perhaps ? But you point was clearly expressed nice and pungently !
 
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The article doesn't say he graduated from UCLA, and as for the rest, thank you for the interesting hearsay.


'Thanks for the hearsay.' LOL.

You do have a way with words. Well, brevity sure is the soul of irony, isn't it ?!
 
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'pod people' ! That's a new one on me. Must Google it. Sci- Fi, perhaps ? But you point was clearly expressed nice and pungently !
Thank you, ...pod people is a reference to an early sci fi flick. Pardon my pop culture reference. It's on par with the likes of Dr. Strangelove references, but it's more about mind control than the rich mine of irony Strangelove provides. It's a great flick, tho. I bet you would like it. The mindless perfection of authoritarian alien plant that projects tendrils on you while you sleep (see the set up f or allegory?) And creates a pod that takes on a perfect copy of your body, and in the final stages (eyes fluttering in sink), you shrivel up and die, and they assume your life,... but in a lifeless way.
 
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Thank you, ...pod people is a reference to an early sci fi flick. Pardon my pop culture reference. It's on par with the likes of Dr. Strangelove references, but it's more about mind control than the rich mine of irony Strangelove provides. It's a great flick, tho. I bet you would like it. The mindless perfection of authoritarian alien plant that projects tendrils on you while you sleep (see the set up f or allegory?) And creates a pod that takes on a perfect copy of your body, and in the final stages (eyes fluttering in sink), you shrivel up and die, and they assume your life,... but in a lifeless way.

Sounds amusing and imaginative. I favour pop culture, generally, in my posts. I'm pretty sure I've heard the term, 'pod people'. As regards Dr Strangelove. I noticed that in at least one scene, where the eponymous 'nutter' does his kind of involuntary Hitler salute, all the faces of the many people looking at him were darkened, so that you couldn't see their expressions, and I'm sure it was because there would always be at least one of them, probably more, who couldn't stifle their urge to laugh or 'corpse, as I believe actors call it.
 
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So, I have done a lot of research on vaccines and I'm not convinced they work well, if at all. Call me crazy, but my children have had many adverse reactions so I'm really in a dilemma. California law says they must be vaccinated to go to public school (which I really don't want them at anyways, but I've been struggling with homeschooling so it's one of the only options I have) another thing is (and it's been confirmed by both of my doctors so I'm not crazy) Most vaccines, especially the flu shot have aborted fetal tissue in them. There is actually a huge market for lung tissue from aborted males during a certain gestation time. Anyways, how is it okay as Catholics to even vaccinate knowing that there is literally dead children in vaccines. Again, I'm not trying to sound crazy. I've been very pro vaccination until I found out about the many adverse effects and ingredients. Not to mention my own experiences. Just curious on your thoughts.

It's a difficult decision. I just wanted to wish you the best of luck.
 
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Sounds amusing and imaginative. I favour pop culture, generally, in my posts. I'm pretty sure I've heard the term, 'pod people'. As regards Dr Strangelove. I noticed that in at least one scene, where the eponymous 'nutter' does his kind of involuntary Hitler salute, all the faces of the many people looking at him were darkened, so that you couldn't see their expressions, and I'm sure it was because there would always be at least one of them, probably more, who couldn't stifle their urge to laugh or 'corpse, as I believe actors call it.
Nice. Good eye. I love exactly that kind of detail and nuance. "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (it's coming back to me now) Donald Sutherland makes his mark in this paranoia exploitation genre definer that feeds on cold war hangover stress.
I remember being about 5 yrs old, playing out in the yard one day, and my 7 yr old sister asked me what i was most afraid of. I told her to answer first, and she said witches. I can't remember exactly what I said, something like Russian bombers, but I clearly remember picturing first a witch on a broomstick flying around, and then the far more ominous and plausible B52 style bomber, but with a red star on it. I was born in '55 the year Elvis first recorded, and I remember how proud to be American I was when a young Catholic (like me) named John Kennedy got elected, took us to the moon and got killed. Then his brother got killed. Then Martin Luther King and Kent State. The Vietnam body counts were on TV every night as I counted time before I had to register for the draft.
Just a glimpse of what I've seen.

So I think the movie correlates to a fear of creeping ideology turning us into unthinking and slavishly inhuman enforcers of whatever ideology - communism in this case.
 
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Is it double think for a Catholic to say that vaccines made from an abortion decades ago are good?

I thought no good was allowed to be drawn from evil. Isn't it hypocritical to condemn the scientists who used a human and turned them into a immortal tumor to be infected thousands of times while protecting ourselves and wanted children with the creations made from it?

There is nothing wrong with making good out of something bad. It is a problem when you inflict bad for the purpose of doing good.
 
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The article doesn't say he graduated from UCLA, and as for the rest, thank you for the interesting hearsay.

The article you linked begins with the statement: "Dr. Kenneth P Stoller, MD, is a former Pediatrician at UCLA..." Since he was never employed by UCLA as a pediatrician and did not obtain his degree at their medical school, how is it not misleading? The fact that Stoller has repeatedly made the false claim he is a graduate of UCLA's medical school when in actuality he obtained his medical degree from the American University of the Caribbean does significantly compromise his trustworthiness and therefore is completely relevant. Luke 16:10 comes to mind.

You're welcome for the straight up shot of the facts. :) I did run a search to find publicly accessible sources to corroborate what I wrote yesterday:
http://www.abqjournal.com/512358/news/doctor-accused-of-treating-child-who-wasnt-sick.html
http://www.nmmb.state.nm.us/docs/board_publications/newsletters/Apr2015Newsletter.pdf
 
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Here's a reason I have trouble trusting establishment science:

The FDA now officially belongs to Big Pharma

Robert Califf's ties to the industry run deep, and the Obama nominee just sailed through the U.S. Senate

Cailff, chancellor of clinical and translational research at Duke University until recently, received money from 23 drug companies including the giants like Johnson & Johnson, Lilly, Merck, Schering Plough and GSK according to a disclosure statement on the website of Duke Clinical Research Institute."

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/27/the_fda_now_officially_belongs_to_big_pharma_partner/
 
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Nice. Good eye. I love exactly that kind of detail and nuance. "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (it's coming back to me now) Donald Sutherland makes his mark in this paranoia exploitation genre definer that feeds on cold war hangover stress.
I remember being about 5 yrs old, playing out in the yard one day, and my 7 yr old sister asked me what i was most afraid of. I told her to answer first, and she said witches. I can't remember exactly what I said, something like Russian bombers, but I clearly remember picturing first a witch on a broomstick flying around, and then the far more ominous and plausible B52 style bomber, but with a red star on it. I was born in '55 the year Elvis first recorded, and I remember how proud to be American I was when a young Catholic (like me) named John Kennedy got elected, took us to the moon and got killed. Then his brother got killed. Then Martin Luther King and Kent State. The Vietnam body counts were on TV every night as I counted time before I had to register for the draft.
Just a glimpse of what I've seen.

So I think the movie correlates to a fear of creeping ideology turning us into unthinking and slavishly inhuman enforcers of whatever ideology - communism in this case.

Yes, we were lucky to have lived before the eighties. The French call those post WWII years, Les Trente Glorieuses. Did you serve in Vietnam ? Have you read any of Hunter Thompson's books. At his best, he had a touch of genius, but he was always an original a one-off. Some great books.
 
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