Obama Admin Want To Make Sure Non-Citizens Can Vote

Veritas said:

All of these non-issues have been adquately addressed.

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Why are they still an issue then?

Veritas said:

Free does not cost a fee.

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Last time I had to renew an ID, I paid a fee and waited in line for over an hour. And conservatives are saying that this kind of thing must be a prerequisite before a person practices his constitutional right to vote.

I'd suggest people go to the League of Women Voters link in the NR article that is linked via the OP to read the truth of this matter. Or, click below.
Lawsuit Challenges Voter Registration Restriction
02/12/2016


I'd think it a matter of common sense that mail in ballots should have to show proof of citizenship in order to vote. Contrary to the false rhetoric that typically arises on forums in threads about voting, there are indeed cases of voter fraud during an election.
Not only should people have to show ID to verify they are who is on the voter rolls, they should have to show proof they're a legal immigrant when they're here as a lawful immigrant.

What do people prefer? Anyone who's 18 and over is able to walk into a voting booth and cast their vote? It isn't xenophobia, it's the 15th amendment. Keyword; citizens.

Veritas said:

If you have a drivers license, you have to pay to renew it regardless of whether you drive or vote or neither. Special ID's for the purpose of voting would be free. As I said, these "non-issues" have been addressed. The truth is, democrats are trying every which way to Sunday to get non-citizens, felons, dead people and whomever to vote in elections by bringing up every lame objection they can think of that would prevent it.

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That's certainly not the case in every state. And you still gloss over the hassle it is for people working back to back jobs to get to an ID location and wait forever.

The truth is conservatives will make up non-existent problems in order to keep the poor from voting

Veritas said:

Source?

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I couldn't really find a worldwide source for automatic registration, but this report (pg.5) is a good start I think.
Primary method of registering voters:
Argentina - Local election officials add eligible citizens to the voter rolls from a national list of all citizens maintained by a federal agency
Australia - Election officials gather information from other government agencies to identify voting eligible individuals who are unregistered, and mail these individuals registration materials.
Austria - Local election officials automatically generate voter lists from larger population databases maintained at the municipal level. Inclusion on the municipal database is mandatory.
Belgium - Local election officials automatically generate voter lists from larger population databases maintained at the municipal level. Inclusion on the municipal database is mandatory.
Canada - Election officials use information collected from other government agencies to add eligible citizens to the rolls. If more information is required, election officials mail individuals pre-printed registration forms, with postage-paid return envelopes
France - Election officials automatically register 18 year olds using information compiled by the department of defense for military conscription purposes.
Germany - Local election officials automatically generate voter lists from larger population databases maintained at the municipal level. Inclusion on the municipal database is mandatory.
Great Britain - The government seeks out every eligible voter through an annual nationwide “canvass,” during which local officials mail or hand-deliver a form used for voter registration to each household. (my own comment on this: so this is not really automatic, but it makes registration very easy)
Sweden - The government automatically registers all eligible voters using information contained in the national population database.

And I'm sure there's a lot more out there.

Hey Veritas, how many cases of voter fraud were there in last, oh, let's say 10-15 years? After all, if we're going to make people jump through hoops to let them vote, we should know why we're doing it. So how common is voter fraud? And, to be specific, we're talking about the kind of voter fraud that would be prevented by demanding an ID during the registration process, so... voter impersonation fraud and/or absentee ballot fraud. And is there another way we could catch this without forcing voters to jump through hoops?

Thursday said:

This is true for the leadership of both parties.

However, Republicans, as a party, gain power when individuals need less government.

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Yet oddly in this instance of voter ID laws the Republicans want more government in this issue and not less.

BrianJK said:

Last time I had to renew an ID, I paid a fee and waited in line for over an hour. And conservatives are saying that this kind of thing must be a prerequisite before a person practices his constitutional right to vote.

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I just moved from one address to another (here in Florida). In order to get a new licence I needed to produce my birth certificate and social security card ( I could have substituted a passport for one of those) and two forms of proof that I live at the new residence. I can imagine many instances where a citizen might lose track of these things. An eligible to vote citizen.

OK. Let's say you are really interested in preventing voter fraud. Futhermore let's say that study after study shows that in cases of voter fraud, most of it occurs with the use of absentee ballots. If one were really concerned with voter fraud, one would go after this type of fraud. That is, if one were really interested in reducing voter fraud.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...onnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/

A copy of a birth certificate costs money. A passport is ridiculously expensive (Spain has then for like $20. In Japan, you can literally get a passport out of a vending machine.)

These are just more and more ridiculous hoops designed to reduce turnout of poorer voters who, perhaps only coincidentally, tend to vote against the party trying to enact these unconstitutional restrictive laws.

Just curious how these people envision voting without any form of ID. What do they do, just walk into a voting precinct, ask for a ballot and vote, with no checks and balances? How would that work, exactly?

BrianJK said:

Last time I had to renew an ID, I paid a fee and waited in line for over an hour. And conservatives are saying that this kind of thing must be a prerequisite before a person practices his constitutional right to vote.

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Aww. Poor baby. You had to wait in line at the DMV. The horror!

And I'm sure the single and only reason you needed that ID renewed, was to vote. No one else in our society, not a single transaction or scenario, requires a photo ID. No, only voting requires an ID. Those meanies!

TheBear said:

Just curious how these people envision voting without any form of ID. What do they do, just walk into a voting precinct, ask for a ballot and vote, with no checks and balances? How would that work, exactly?

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Well you could walk in with your voter registration card. And they could match the name on the card with the names of eligible voters.

Grizzly said:

Well you could walk in with your voter registration card. And they could match the name on the card with the names of eligible voters.

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How do you get a voter registration card?

TheBear said:

How do you get a voter registration card?

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Fill out an application and mail it in? Have them mail you the card back?

TheBear said:

Aww. Poor baby. You had to wait in line at the DMV. The horror!

And I'm sure the single and only reason you needed that ID renewed, was to vote. No one else in our society, not a single transaction or scenario, requires a photo ID. No, only voting requires an ID. Those meanies!

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Considering DMVs are generally open only during work hours, that actually is a bit of a hardship since it requires people who might be living paycheck to paycheck to take off work to get an ID. And what other constitutional rights require an ID? Many days I don't even bother bringing my ID with me because I so seldom use it.

TheBear said:

Aww. Poor baby. You had to wait in line at the DMV. The horror!

And I'm sure the single and only reason you needed that ID renewed, was to vote. No one else in our society, not a single transaction or scenario, requires a photo ID. No, only voting requires an ID. Those meanies!

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Around 10% of people in the USA do not have photo ID. This implies one of two things:
1. Photo ID is not necessary in day-to-day life
2. Photo ID is in fact quite hard to get

Actually, for many people, both of those are true.

Also, I've lived in Chicago for 3 years. That entire time I have been using an Idaho state ID, because I don't want to go through the hassle of getting a Illinois one. And if you are one who moves a lot, like say a college student or somebody poor who has trouble making rent, are you really going to get your ID updated every time you move?