7 year peace treaty, what 7 year peace treaty?

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BABerean2 said:

Let us address the fact...

Can you at least provide some scripture from one of the New Testament writers which confirms your statement that the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, because of the abandonment of the Levitical Priesthood?

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Is this addressing the fact, and why do I have to provide NT scripture flatly saying the temple was destroyed because of the abandonment of the Levitical priesthood? Weren't the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Maccabees a different government than the one that ruled Israel 1,260 years before the AOD?

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We have scripture from the Book of Hebrews which clearly states that the Levitical priesthood was to be replaced.

Heb_5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb_5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb_6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb_7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb_7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb_7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

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Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jer 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me."

Fusion77 said:

Nehemiah completed the wall in 52 days. There's no disputing that. In 52 days the wall was completed, from whatever state it was in.
Nehemiah 6:15

15So the wall was completed on the twenty-fifth of the month Elul, in fifty-two days.

Who says the houses in the city were rebuilt in 52 days? Nehemiah 7:1-4 tells us the city still basically was in ruins. Even, after the wall was built. Which it (the wall), was built in 52 days, from whatever state it was in, at the time Nehemiah arrived.

Nehemiah 7:1-4

1Now when the wall was rebuilt and I had set up the doors, and the gatekeepers and the singers and the Levites were appointed, 2then I put Hanani my brother, and Hananiah the commander of the fortress, in charge of Jerusalem, for he was a faithful man and feared God more than many. 3Then I said to them, “Do not let the gates of Jerusalem be opened until the sun is hot, and while they are standing guard, let them shut and bolt the doors. Also appoint guards from the inhabitants of Jerusalem, each at his post, and each in front of his own house.” 4Now the city was large and spacious, but the people in it were few and the houses were not built.

The houses (the city was not built). It's very clear. if the houses were not built at that time, all Nehemiah did (which was a lot), in those 52 days was completed the wall...from whatever condition it was in prior to that .

Now back to the word frustrate. Nehemiah 4:15

15When our enemies heard that it was known to us, and that God had frustrated their plan, then all of us returned to the wall, each one to his work.

The word frustrated here sure seems to mean to stop, or to cause to cease. In that same manner, so does the word frustrate mean to stop in Ezra 4:5. It's the same word H6565!

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Can't find a verse saying Nehem finish built the city, huh?

precepts said:

Can't find a verse saying Nehem finish built the city, huh?

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What? Why would that matter? You asked me how in Nehemiahs time, they managed to rebuild the city in 52 days. THey didn't, they built the wall in 52 days. Nehemiah 6:15

I don't know where you got the idea that i suggested that they rebuilt the city in 52 days.

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Is this addressing the fact, and why do I have to provide NT scripture flatly saying the temple was destroyed because of the abandonment of the Levitical priesthood? Weren't the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Maccabees a different government than the one that ruled Israel 1,260 years before the AOD?


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"Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jer 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me."

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You seem to have trouble admitting that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the Messiah and that His fulfillment of the New Blood Covenant foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and spoken in His words at Matthew 26:28, made the Sinai covenant "obsolete". (Hebrews 8:13)

He is the reason the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD.
It was no longer needed after the veil in the temple was torn in half.

The Levitical priesthood was no longer needed after the Cross.
The linen underwear worn by the descendants of Aaron is now just a religious artifact.

There is no more sacrifice for sin to be offered by the blood of bulls and goats.

Now, salvation only comes through the New Blood Covenant sacrifice of the Son of God.

My heart is right with God, because it is right with His Son.
He bought me with His Blood...

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BABerean2 said:

There is no more sacrifice for sin to be offered by the blood of bulls and goats.

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel 45:18-46:24&version=GNT;NKJV
Ezekiel 45:18 - 46:24 Good News Translation (GNT)
The Festivals
18 The Sovereign Lord said, “On the first day of the first month you are to sacrifice a bull without any defects and purify the Temple. 19 The priest will take some of the blood of this sin offering and put it on the doorposts of the Temple, on the four corners of the altar, and on the posts of the gateways to the inner courtyard. 20 On the seventh day of the month you are to do the same thing on behalf of anyone who sins unintentionally or through ignorance. In this way you will keep the Temple holy.

21 “On the fourteenth day of the first month you will begin the celebration of the Passover Festival. For seven days everyone will eat bread made without yeast. 22 On the first day of the festival the ruling prince must offer a bull as a sacrifice for his sins and for those of all the people. 23 On each of the seven days of the festival he is to sacrifice to the Lord seven bulls and seven rams without any defects and burn them whole. He is also to sacrifice a male goat each day as a sin offering. 24 For each bull and each ram that is sacrificed, there is to be an offering of half a bushel of grain and three quarts of olive oil.

25 “For the Festival of Shelters, which begins on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, the prince will offer on each of the seven days the same sacrifice for sin, the same offerings to be burned whole, and the same offerings of grain and olive oil.”

The Prince and the Festivals
46 The Sovereign Lord says, “The east gateway to the inner courtyard must be kept closed during the six working days, but it is to be opened on the Sabbath and at the New Moon Festival. 2 The ruling prince will go from the outer courtyard into the entrance room of the gateway and stand beside the posts of the gate while the priests burn his sacrifices whole and offer his fellowship offerings. There at the gate he must worship and then go back out. The gate must not be shut until evening. 3 Each Sabbath and each New Moon Festival all the people are also to bow down and worship the Lord in front of the gate. 4 On the Sabbath the prince is to bring to the Lord, as sacrifices to be burned whole, six lambs and one ram, all without any defects. 5 With each ram he is to bring an offering of half a bushel of grain, and with each lamb he is to bring whatever he wants to give. For each half-bushel of grain offering he is to bring three quarts of olive oil. 6 At the New Moon Festival he will offer a young bull, six lambs, and a ram, all without any defects. 7 With each bull and each ram the offering is to be half a bushel of grain, and with each lamb the offering is to be whatever the prince wants to give. Three quarts of olive oil are to be offered with each half-bushel of grain. 8 The prince must leave the entrance room of the gateway and go out by the same way he went in.

9 “When the people come to worship the Lord at any festival, those who enter by the north gate are to leave by the south gate after they have worshiped, and those who enter by the south gate are to leave by the north gate. No one may go out by the same way he entered, but must leave by the opposite gate. 10 The prince is to come in when the people come, and leave when they leave. 11 On the feast days and at the festivals the grain offering will be half a bushel with each bull or ram, and whatever the worshiper wants to give with each lamb. Three quarts of olive oil are to be offered with each half-bushel of grain.

12 “When the ruling prince wants to make a voluntary offering to the Lord, either an offering to be burned whole or a fellowship offering, the east gate to the inner courtyard will be opened for him. He is to make the offering in the same way he does on the Sabbath, and the gate is to be closed after he goes back out.”

The Daily Offering
13 The Lord says, “Every morning a one-year-old lamb without any defects is to be burned whole as an offering to the Lord. This offering must be made every day. 14 Also an offering of five pounds of flour is to be made every morning, along with one quart of olive oil for mixing with the flour. The rules for this offering to the Lord are to be in force forever. 15 The lamb, the flour, and the olive oil are to be offered to the Lord every morning forever.”

The Prince and the Land
16 The Sovereign Lord commands: “If the ruling prince gives any of the land he owns to one of his sons as a present, it will belong to that son as a part of his family property. 17 But if the ruling prince gives any of his land to anyone who is in his service, it will become the prince's property again when the Year of Restoration comes. It belongs to him, and only he and his sons can own it permanently. 18 The ruling prince must not take any of the people's property away from them. Any land he gives to his sons must be from the land that is assigned to him, so that he will not oppress any of my people by taking their land.”

The Temple Kitchens
19 Then the man took me to the entrance of the rooms facing north near the gate on the south side of the inner courtyard. These are holy rooms for the priests. He pointed out a place on the west side of the rooms 20 and said, “This is the place where the priests are to boil the meat offered as sacrifices for sin or as repayment offerings, and to bake the offerings of flour, so that nothing holy is carried to the outer courtyard, where it might harm the people.”

21-22 Then he led me to the outer courtyard and showed me that in each of its four corners there was a smaller courtyard, 68 feet long and 48 feet wide. 23 Each one had a stone wall around it, with fireplaces built against the wall.24 The man told me, “These are the kitchens where the Temple servants are to boil the sacrifices the people offer.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah 14:16-21&version=GNT;NKJV
Zechariah 14:16-21 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Nations Worship the King
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that which ever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Replacing the New Blood Covenant of the Messiah predicted in Jeremiah 31:31-34, with a "treaty" broken by an antichrist not in the text, by adding a manmade "gap" not mentioned by the angel Gabriel and denying the 7 year period that the New Covenant Gospel was taken to Daniel's people before it was taken to the Gentiles, has to be the greatest "bait and switch" in history.

Somehow, they just ignore the words of the Messiah Himself at Matthew 26:28.

And these people claim to interpret the Bible "literally".

BABerean2 said:

Replacing the New Blood Covenant of the Messiah predicted in Jeremiah 31:31-34, with a "treaty" broken by an antichrist not in the text, by adding a manmade "gap" not mentioned by the angel Gabriel and denying the 7 year period that the New Covenant Gospel was taken to Daniel's people before it was taken to the Gentiles, has to be the greatest "bait and switch" in history.

Somehow, they just ignore the words of the Messiah Himself at Matthew 26:28.

And these people claim to interpret the Bible "literally".

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There will be when Christ reigns on earth during the millennium.

Goodbook said:

Ezekiels vision wasnt realised because Israel refused to repent. So they didnt end up building the temple to those specifications after all. But its recorded in the bible as how it would have been.
Remember this is before Jesus came.

It is not talking about the millenium temple as in revelation there is no temple.
Unless you think Jesus is the one permitting these sacrfices for 1000 years. I dont know, there are different interpretations, but then that contradicts Hebrews. Unless the israelites are playing catch up???

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Goodbook said:

People forget that all the OT prophecies were fufilled in Jesus.

Read Hebrews, esp chapter 10.

There isnt going to be any more new covenants made. We celebrate the Lords supper until Jesus return.

If you are not under the new covenant, then thats because you dont believe in Jesus. The new covenant was made with many and includes gentiles as well. The old covenant was broken by the israelites. Thats why Jesus had to step in and make the new one.

This is the everlasting covenant. Only Jesus can give eternal life...

If you confused about this, then maybe you dont understand what a covenant is. It is not a political peace treaty.

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There's no contradiction between Ezekiel 45:18 - 46:24, Ezekiel 43 and Hebrews 10, Christ's sacrifice fully fulfills the law, but the remission of sin was not the only purpose nor the original purpose for animal sacrifice. Let me just say it again. Animal sacrifices to God served more than one purpose and not just to cover one's sin.

The remission of sin wasn't taught until after Moses brought about the 10 commandments. It wasn't introduced until Leviticus 4:1-3, when God told Moses to tell the Israelites if they were to ever break any of the commandments, they had to offer a sacrifice to cover that sin.

If you look at some of the earliest records of animal sacrifices done in the bible, they were all for the purpose of praising and giving worship to honor God, not for the remission of sin.

*In Genesis 22:13, Abraham obeyed God and sacrificed Issac. But he eventually offered the ram as a burnt offering to praise God. Abraham obeyed God by offering his son, he was without sin at the time and did not need to sacrifice anything to cover any sin.

*In Genesis 8:20-21, after God saved Noah and his family, Noah built and altar and sacrificed all the clean animals and birds as burnt offerings to honor and praise God, not for the remission of sin. Noah obeyed God's instructions to built the ark. There was no sin by being obedient to God's instruction, and God's instruction to built the ark saved Noah's family. That's what the animal sacrifice was for.

*In Genesis 4:3-4, Abel offered to God the firstborn and premium of his flock, a better offering than Cain's offering. God was more pleased with Abel's praises and worship. You know these offerings couldn't have been for the remission of any sin because Cain offered fruits. Fruit sacrifices doesn't cover sin.

So the original purpose of animal sacrifice were to praise and to worship giving honor to God.



A second reason why I know it makes sense to have animal sacrifice in the millennium (not because the bible tells us in Zechariah and Ezekiel), is because not all sin will be gone when Jesus returns. Christ still needs to put all power and authority at His feet and He will do that during the millennium (1 Corinthians 15:24-26) as many people shall be rebuked when Christ reign and judges the world (Isaiah 2:4, Micah 4:3).

Every newborn in the millennium will still be born as sinners based on Adam's sin. Only Christ was born perfect. Babies and childrens do not have the capacity to understand Christ's gift of salvation and His redemption for sin until adulthood. It's why Ezekiel 45:20 mentioned "sins caused unintentionally or through ignorance."

There easily could be other reasons for the animal sacrifices during the millennium but you have to realize if something mentioned in the bible seems contradictive, there's always a reason and explanation hidden somewhere. It's our job as Christians to seek the truth and not ignore everything else, what other parts of the bible is telling us.

















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Psalm3704 said:

There will be when Christ reigns on earth during the millennium. You should read the bible more....and stop adhering to youtube videos.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 Good News Translation (GNT)
1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and because he is coming to rule as King, I solemnly urge you 2 to preach the message, to insist upon proclaiming it (whether the time is right or not), to convince, reproach, and encourage, as you teach with all patience. 3 The time will come when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires and will collect for themselves more and more teachers who will tell them what they are itching to hear. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give their attention to legends.
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You should at least read your own posts...

He judges both the living and the dead at His Coming.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.



Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

When you claim more animal sacrifices are need in the future, you are spinning one of the legends mentioned in your post above.

John Nelson Darby's Two Peoples of God, Two Plans of God, Two Second Comings of Christ, Two Resurrections of the Dead, Division of Scripture into Two Parts, Two covenants still in effect, doctrine is the biggest legend in the history of the Bible.

You will not hear Darby's supporters teaching on the New Blood Covenant, because it destroys their doctrine.
The New Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ is the one thing that connects the Old Testament to the New Testament.

The descendants of Jacob were told in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that God was going to make a New Covenant that would not be like the Sinai covenant.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:


This New Covenant was spoken by Jesus Christ in His own words at the Last Supper and is celebrated by all of us when we partake of it.

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


This New Covenant is found "now" in effect at Hebrews 8:6.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

It has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" at Hebrews 8:13 and thus destroyed the Dispensationalists future 70th week of Daniel, when God will go back to the Old Covenant with the modern nation of Israel.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


It is the covenant of Romans chapter 11, which is "now" in effect, again destroying Darby's idea of a future "national salvation" outside of the Church.

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


The New Covenant is "everlasting" thus destroying the Dispensationalists claim that the Age of Grace comes to an end 7 years before the Second Coming of Christ.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,


This same Blood covenant is found in the Book of Revelation.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


The New Blood Covenant was fulfilled on the day the Son of God suffered for our sins and died on the Cross.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.



Reading the New Testament through the Old Testament will always produce the tremendous error that Darby's doctrine is known for.

One of the greatest of these errors is the claim that there are Old Testament promises not fulfilled at the Cross.

It makes the word of God of none effect.


Mar_7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

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Fusion77 said:

What? Why would that matter? You asked me how in Nehemiahs time, they managed to rebuild the city in 52 days. THey didn't, they built the wall in 52 days. Nehemiah 6:15

I don't know where you got the idea that i suggested that they rebuilt the city in 52 days.

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I didn't say you couldn't find a verse saying Nehem rebuilt the city in 52 days. I said you couldn't find a verse saying Nehem finished built the city, period.

Goodbook said:

Yes Please be respectful of those who believe in Jesus new covenant which happened on the cross.

Mod- it's profanity, not prophanity - although that's an interesting spelling!

Which also includes jewish and gentile believers.

You can read Ephesians esp chapters 2 and 3 where Paul, a jewish believer, is talking with the gentiles, and says we have the same inheritance through Jesus. esp chapter 2 verses 14-22

He does not say that jewish and gentile believers are separate people.

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Thank you for your correction, that's what happens when you go to private school and are taught to read phonetically.

The fact everybody's running from is the forsaking of the Levitical priesthood is the "Abomination of Desolation."

Peace out!