7 year peace treaty, what 7 year peace treaty?

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If people are that passionate believers about this 'peace treaty' i suggest they go to israel and go tell everyone the gospel themselves.

That is a great idea.

However, according to a friend of mine, Sam Nadler who is a Jewish Christian went to Israel and attempted to do as you suggested.

He was arrested for preaching the Gospel.
The Jews went into 2000 years exile because they rejected the gospel. Everyone know that. The 70 weeks determined on
Israel and Jerusalem will not be complete till the end of the war (of Armageddon).

Daniel 9:26 ......and the end thereof (of the 70 weeks) shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war (of Armageddon) desolations are determined.

The feast on the corpses of war of Armageddon at the end of the 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:17-20.


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70 weeks are determined upon Israel and Jerusalem.

7 of those weeks tied to the rebuilding of Jerusalem
62 more of those weeks until the arrival of the messiah (Zechariah 9:9), and him cutoff
1 of those weeks, the last week, for the prince who shall come actions.

So, you are claiming Daniel 9:26 had nothing to do with 70 AD...

Let us look at the words of One of the two Princes found in Daniel chapter 9.
He was the Prince who confirmed the New Blood Covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28.

He describes in detail the work of the other prince, Prince Titus, who would destroy Jerusalem and the Jewish temple.


Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,


Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.



Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.



Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.



Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?



Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:



Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.



Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.



Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!



Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

This did happen to Daniel's people in 70 AD.

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That is a great idea.

However, according to a friend of mine, Sam Nadler who is a Jewish Christian went to Israel and attempted to do as you suggested.

He was arrested for preaching the Gospel.

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The Jews need to hear the gospel. Good for Sam Nadler. Sam's arrest should have no bearing on others doing the same. My pastor, who is Jewish, shares the gospel with Jews every time he visits Israel (at least once a year).

P.S. Sharing the gospel is not against the law in Israel. Sometimes people may be arrested because they are the source provoking a domestic disturbance, don't have a permit to be taking up a certain space, or people don't know the law. The Israeli police are actually known to protect the rights of Jews to preach the gospel. (Source: Jews for Jesus publications)
 
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Daniels prophecy was also mentioned by Jesus..the abomination of desolation was also the armies compassing Jerusalem when it got destroyed. Jesus was saying this to THIS generation, ie. The ones he was talking to by the temple.

He was not saying 2000 years into the future or 1538 years or even 600.

Im sorry, unless you dont believe Jesus and think he was saying it wrong.
The AOD is not the temple destruction in 70 ad. It is the act done by the Greek little horn in Dan 8:9-12 and in 11:30-31 as prophesied in Dan 9:27, causing "the daily sacrifice and oblation to cease."

Get the facts straight.
 
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Bible Prophecy
A 'Peace Plan' Will Be Enforced Upon Israel Which Will Change the World . . . Forever!!!


The Bible is clear about a coming prophetic event which is very important . . . Watch for a coming "Peace plan" (covenant), "Treaty," or "Resolution" which will one day be enforced upon the nation and people of Israel (probably to trade "land for peace" ... and a new Temple). We are warned in Bible prophecy of a coming 7 year period ("one week of years") defined by a "peace treaty" which will be forced upon Israel. This upcoming 7 year or "one week of years" is first revealed in the book of Daniel (chapter 9), and then chapters 6 - 20 in the book of Revelation detail all the terrible events which will take place during this final 7 year period of time sometimes called 'the Apocalypse'. This coming 'peace plan,' 'treaty,' or 'resolution' will be "enforced" (confirmed) by a coming world leader who (it appears from Bible prophecy) will first rise over a group of 10 nations which were once part of the Roman Empire (see the Antichrist). The Bible doesn't say he wrote this coming 'peace plan' or treaty, but says he will enforce a peace plan ("covenant") upon Israel ... a treaty or peace plan that may have been originally drafted at an earlier time. Exactly 3½ years (1,260 days) after this 'false peace' is enforced, this "peace plan or treaty" will be annulled by this coming world leader (the Antichrist) while addressing the world from a new Jewish Temple which will someday be built in Jerusalem . . . it will be this address, given by this leader, from a newly built Jewish Temple which will trigger the terrors of the final 3½ years of the "Great Tribulation." It appears the "Rapture" of all sincere, believing Christians ("Christ" is the Greek word for "Messiah") will take place sometime before this coming "peace treaty" is enforced upon Israel. As a note, we must never force Israel to give up the land God has given them. It is theirs. Pray for Israel and Her people. MORE
<Staff Edit> The antecedent of the "he" in vs 27 is not the "prince of the people to come," it is the Mess--h.

The "prince" and "the people to come" are not Jews; therefore, the "prince" cannot confirm anything 2000+ yrs after the prophecy, much less 2000 yrs after a nation that only existed for 1,260 yrs.

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The bible is perfect. Zechariah 3:8
States Joshua is a symbol of the Branch
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Zech 6:12 specifically says he is the "Branch"!



8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.

The same encounter with the same angel and the same prophet is told to "symbolically" crown Joshua the high priest in Zechariah 6. Same encounter, same angel, same prophet. Joshua still a symbol of the Branch just like the bible in Zechariah 3:8 states. Symbolically crowned the high priest as King. Zechariah 6:13
Nothing in the text suggests it's symbolic, only you!

Verses 12 specifically says to Joshua, "Behold the man whose name is the Branch." Who is Joshua to behold, unless God is identifying him as the "Branch," and it is he who rebuilds the temple as the rest of the verse declares.


13“Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”’
<Staff Edit>The counsel between them both is referring to Joshua as king and high priest and Zerubbabel, the would have been crowned king, the governor of Israel. They both rebuilt the temple and ruled Israel post-Babylon.


The counsel of peace between the 2 offices. Come on! No earthly high priest could do that! It's symbolic of Christ. Same as Zechariah 3:8 says. He is a symbol of the Branch!
<Staff Edit>The text specifically says "behold the man whose name is the Branch." There's nothing left to imagination. You can try to explain your way out of the grammatical fact, but you can't.

You would think with a name like "Joshua" which interprets the same as "Jesus," you would get the connection<Staff Edit>.


The foundation was laid in the second year of their coming 536 BC Ezra 3:8-10
8Now in the second year of their coming to the house of God at Jerusalem in the second month, Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak and the rest of their brothers the priests and the Levites, and all who came from the captivity to Jerusalem, began the work and appointed the Levites from twenty years and older to oversee the work of the house of the LORD. 9Then Jeshua with his sons and brothers stood united with Kadmiel and his sons, the sons of Judah and the sons of Henadad with their sons and brothers the Levites, to oversee the workmen in the temple of God.

Probably built the altar in 537 BC maybe 538 Ezra 3:1-2. Month of Tishri

Then work ceased in the most of the reign of Cyrus (it states all the days of Cyrus) so from 536 maybe 535 BC until the second year of Darius. It says in Ezra 4:4-5

4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel ALL the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

Until the second year of Darius Ezra 4:24 very clear in the scriptures.
You really do have<Staff Edit> a knack for adding to scripture what is clearly not given. It says they were "frustated" all the days of Cyrus to Darius, and the work didn't cease all the years of Cyrus. It was ceased by the Artaxerxes mention in vs 7, who reigned after Cyrus and Cambyses, the imposter Smerdis!

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No actually if you read the four gospels Jesus specifically says in one of them what the abomination of desolation is. Those who were jewish readers would have known what it was because they would have known The scripture in Daniel, as Its written let the reader understand. But i think it was in Lukes gospel, or the one intended for gentiles that Jesus is quoted as saying 'when the armies surround jerusalem'.

We know that happened in 70 ad. Jesus was giving them fair warning. And instructions to flee. It didnt happen till 70 ad, but it DID happen in that generation.

Unless you believe Jesus lied to them. Uh, no.
 
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You are showing yourself to be unwise. The scriptures are not perfect, and you are speaking without knowing, showing yourself to be unwise.

Zech 6:12 specifically says he is the "Branch"!



Nothing in the text suggests it's symbolic, only you!

Verses 12 specifically says to Joshua, "Behold the man whose name is the Branch." Who is Joshua to behold, unless God is identifying him as the "Branch," and it is he who rebuilds the temple as the rest of the verse declares.


I hate it when people pretend. The counsel between them both is referring to Joshua as king and high priest and Zerubbabel, the would have been crowned king, the governor of Israel. They both rebuilt the temple and ruled Israel post-Babylon.


Reading Comprehension is Chris-tianity's greatest problem. The text specifically says "behold the man whose name is the Branch." There's nothing left to imagination. You can try to explain your way out of the grammatical fact, but you can't.

You would think with a name like "Joshua" which interprets the same as "Jesus," you would get the connection, but just like the Jews, Chris-tianity has refused the fact and will continue to refuse the fact because of tradition.


You really do have a reading comprehension problem and a knack for adding to scripture what is clearly not given. It says they were "frustated" all the days of Cyrus to Darius, and the work didn't cease all the years of Cyrus. It was ceased by the Artaxerxes mention in vs 7, who reigned after Cyrus and Cambyses, the imposter Smerdis!

Why do you continue to slander the facts?
The thing is, that is so laughable! You say Ezra 4:5 is wrong because it has Cyrus's name and not Artexerxes, like you want it to.So you're basically saying it's alright for you to change Gods word.

However, when I quote that verse you tell me I'm wrong in suggesting the work ceased. Yet, That word frustrated in Ezra 4:5 is derived from H6565. one of the definitions is to cease. So they were frustrated (stopped) in their purpose (building). You're funny! Also in Ezra 4:4 it states they were consumed, in the original (or worn out) in building. You're funny!


I'm just taking issue with how an imposter who usurped authority for a matter of months issued this decree. History says the imposter usurped after Cambyses for a matter of months. It just doesn't seem like the window of time makes this a viable situation. By the time the enemies write the letter and delivered it. Even until the time the records are searched the decree given and then was delivered. It just seems to improbable. Almost Every source I find tells me the imposter usurped for just a few months. Hardly had any impact on the affairs of the kingdom and was hardly recognized.


Another thing I take issue with is Ezra 7:1
1Now after these things, in the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia, there went up Ezra son of Seraiah, son of Azariah, son of Hilkiah,
speaks of the Artexerxes in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah. However, Ezra a learned Scribe raised up by God to pen a few books in the OT...makes no effort to distinguish of differentiate between the 2. He makes no move to claim Ezra 4:7 is speaking of a different Artexerxes as you claim.

Ezra 4:7
7And in the days of Artaxerxes, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his colleagues wrote to Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the text of the letter was written in Aramaic and translated fromAramaic.

No Artexerxes the imposter. No Artexerxes in the days of Zerubbabel. Nothing like that. Which leads me to believe the most plausible answer, is that Ezra 4:6-23 is a parenthetical that jumps forward to the reigns of Xerxes and Artexerxes. Yes, I do think it's more likely Ezra 4:7 makes reference to Xerxes and not Cambyses. It appears Ezra 4:4-5 deals with the time period of Cambyses reign.
 
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No actually if you read the four gospels Jesus specifically says in one of them what the abomination of desolation is. Those who were jewish readers would have known what it was because they would have known The scripture in Daniel, as Its written let the reader understand. But i think it was in Lukes gospel, or the one intended for gentiles that Jesus is quoted as saying 'when the armies surround jerusalem'.

We know that happened in 70 ad. Jesus was giving them fair warning. And instructions to flee. It didnt happen till 70 ad, but it DID happen in that generation.

Unless you believe Jesus lied to them. Uh, no.
What about the verses I gave you? Are they lying?

Luke is/can only be the true interpretation, "When you see Yahrushalem surrounded by armies, know that her 'final' desolation is come."

The abomination done by the Greek little horn is the "abomination that makes it desolate," the exact phrase found somewhere in Daniel.

The other two render of the event are translation problems. Put them side by side and observe where they part..
 
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All Scripture is God-breathed, and God is holy and true, therefore Scripture is without fault.

See how Jesus identifies Himself to the Laodicean church:

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
 
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However, when I quote that verse you tell me I'm wrong in suggesting the work ceased. Yet, That word frustrated in Ezra 4:5 is derived from H6565. one of the definitions is to cease. So they were frustrated (stopped) in their purpose (building). You're funny! Also in Ezra 4:4 it states they were consumed, in the original (or worn out) in building. You're funny!
Who is the letter written to in vs 7 that ceases the building in vs 24? And did he not reign after Cyrus and Cambyses since Cyrus was the first recorded Persia Media king and the building was resumed in Darius' reign, the 4th recorded Persia Media king?

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I'm just taking issue with how an imposter who usurped authority for a matter of months issued this decree. History says the imposter usurped after Cambyses for a matter of months. It just doesn't seem like the window of time makes this a viable situation. By the time the enemies write the letter and delivered it. Even until the time the records are searched the decree given and then was delivered. It just seems to improbable. Almost Every source I find tells me the imposter usurped for just a few months. Hardly had any impact on the affairs of the kingdom and was hardly recognized.
Who is the letter addressed to in vs 7? And if the building resumed in Darius' 2nd yr, which king would have been most likely to have halted the building? Cyrus, Cambyses, or the Imposter?


Another thing I take issue with is Ezra 7:1
1Now after these things, in the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia, there went up Ezra son of Seraiah, son of Azariah, son of Hilkiah,
speaks of the Artexerxes in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah. However, Ezra a learned Scribe raised up by God to pen a few books in the OT...makes no effort to distinguish of differentiate between the 2. He makes no move to claim Ezra 4:7 is speaking of a different Artexerxes as you claim.
Ezra lived in the time of Artaxerxes. His book relates from the Babylonian exodus to his present time.


Ezra 4:7
7And in the days of Artaxerxes, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his colleagues wrote to Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the text of the letter was written in Aramaic and translated fromAramaic.
This is Nehem--h's Artaxerxes because this is the time Ezra lived in. Ezra wasn't part of the rebuilding era.


No Artexerxes the imposter. No Artexerxes in the days of Zerubbabel. Nothing like that. Which leads me to believe the most plausible answer, is that Ezra 4:6-23 is a parenthetical that jumps forward to the reigns of Xerxes and Artexerxes. Yes, I do think it's more likely Ezra 4:7 makes reference to Xerxes and not Cambyses. It appears Ezra 4:4-5 deals with the time period of Cambyses reign.
Wow! Which part of their building from the 2nd yr of the exodus to Darius' 2nd yr (20yrs of building minus the 3 yrs of non-building) don't you comprehend that is still 71 yrs of unhindered building to Nehem--h? What excuse can you come up with why they didn't build the city in 91yrs but Nehem could raise up the ruins in 52 days?

The fact that you're missing is that it's recorded that the building resumed in Darius' 2nd yr. Nehem's Artaxerxes is 75 yrs after. The Artaxerxes in vs 7, who ceases the building, cannot be Xerxes I or Nehem's Artaxerxes because the building resumed in Darius' 2nd yr, the recorded 4th Persia Media king.
 
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All Scripture is God-breathed, and God is holy and true, therefore Scripture is without fault.

See how Jesus identifies Himself to the Laodicean church:

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
<Staff Edit> The world really is flat. How sure are you the scriptures aren't without fault? Care to bet you're life on it? Care to swear on it?

Here are the 4th and 3rd to last verses of the book:
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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I do not base my salvation on foolishness.
 
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What about the verses I gave you? Are they lying?

Luke is/can only be the true interpretation, "When you see Yahrushalem surrounded by armies, know that her 'final' desolation is come."

The abomination done by the Greek little horn is the "abomination that makes it desolate," the exact phrase found somewhere in Daniel.

The other two render of the event are translation problems. Put them side by side and observe where they part..


Although we may disagree on some aspects of this, I think part of what you are saying overall is a key to understanding the text.

..........................................................
Revealing the Abomination of Desolation in the Parallel Gospels:


During the time of Christ, the Jews celebrated Hanukka.



Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

He was well aware of the first occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple, when Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus (He had previously claimed he was Zeus) in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar, during 167 BC. The forces of Antiochus also attacked the city of Jerusalem and killed thousands of Jews.
This last fact is often ignored in relation to the Olivet Discourse. However, it is similar to what we see in Luke's Gospel account.


Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing and rededication of the temple which occurred three years after the abomination of desolation by Antiochus in 167 BC.


Therefore, Christ was predicting an occurrence similar to the Abomination of Desolation and attack on Jerusalem during 167 BC, in the Olivet Discourse.




Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke’s account above clearly states that the desolation would be near the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies. We know Luke 21:20 is related to Matthew 24:15, because the same warning to flee is found in the next verse.

We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege.



Lets take a look at the word “compass” in Luke's account...


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

(Compare this to the reference in Luke chapter 19 about being surrounded and having a trench made around them.)

(Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.)

(The Jewish leadership should have known the time of His visitation, because it was foretold by the angel Gabriel in the Book of Daniel. There was no excuse for them not knowing He was the Messiah. We also find a reference here to the temple being destroyed. This passage clearly connects the events of 70 AD to Jerusalem being surrounded. In the KJV the word "compass" is used in both passages. It should also be noted that the city was surrounded by a Roman army under the command of Cestius Gallus in 66 AD. However, for some unknown reason the Romans stopped the siege and thousands of Romans were killed by the Jews during the retreat. The early Christians left the city sometime before the final siege of 70 AD. They followed the warning given by Christ.)

Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

(Compare this verse to what Jesus said to the women crying while he was going to be crucified. Both passages contain a reference to nursing mothers.)

(Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)

(According to the writings of Josephus, during the siege of 70 AD some mothers ate their own children.)

Almost all scholars, agree that the next verse is about the siege of 70 AD.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (This last verse contains a reference to a time span that would occur before the fulfillment of the next verse. The time of the Gentiles will not end until the future Second Coming of Christ.)


At the beginning of Matthew chapter 24 the disciples ask Jesus two questions.



Mat 24:1
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



1. When will the temple be destroyed?


2. What will be the sign of thy coming (Gk. parousia), and the end of the age?




Jesus answers the first question within the first half of Matthew chapter 24.

He answers the second question within the last half of Matthew chapter 24.

The key Greek word “parousia” connects this second question to the future Second Coming of Christ.

This Greek word “parousia” found in other passages of the New Testament connect the passages to Christ’s return.
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I apologize if you weren't talking about Ezra 4:5 when you stated the names of the Kings were wrongly aligned. If that's not what you were speaking of, I misunderstood. You misunderstood me before, no harm done. It's probably better to specify the book, chapter and verse to avoid confusion. At that time we were focused on Ezra 4.

I'm guessing you were speaking of Ezra 6:14 when you said the names of the kings were wrongly aligned?
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Although we may disagree on some aspects of this, I think part of what you are saying overall is a key to understanding the text.

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Revealing the Abomination of Desolation in the Parallel Gospels:


During the time of Christ, the Jews celebrated Hanukka.



Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

He was well aware of the first occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple, when Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus (He had previously claimed he was Zeus) in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar, during 167 BC. The forces of Antiochus also attacked the city of Jerusalem and killed thousands of Jews.
This last fact is often ignored in relation to the Olivet Discourse. However, it is similar to what we see in Luke's Gospel account.


Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing and rededication of the temple which occurred three years after the abomination of desolation by Antiochus in 167 BC.


Therefore, Christ was predicting an occurrence similar to the Abomination of Desolation and attack on Jerusalem during 167 BC, in the Olivet Discourse.




Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke’s account above clearly states that the desolation would be near the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies. We know Luke 21:20 is related to Matthew 24:15, because the same warning to flee is found in the next verse.

We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege.



Lets take a look at the word “compass” in Luke's account...


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

(Compare this to the reference in Luke chapter 19 about being surrounded and having a trench made around them.)

(Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.)

(The Jewish leadership should have known the time of His visitation, because it was foretold by the angel Gabriel in the Book of Daniel. There was no excuse for them not knowing He was the Messiah. We also find a reference here to the temple being destroyed. This passage clearly connects the events of 70 AD to Jerusalem being surrounded. In the KJV the word "compass" is used in both passages. It should also be noted that the city was surrounded by a Roman army under the command of Cestius Gallus in 66 AD. However, for some unknown reason the Romans stopped the siege and thousands of Romans were killed by the Jews during the retreat. The early Christians left the city sometime before the final siege of 70 AD. They followed the warning given by Christ.)

Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

(Compare this verse to what Jesus said to the women crying while he was going to be crucified. Both passages contain a reference to nursing mothers.)

(Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.)

(According to the writings of Josephus, during the siege of 70 AD some mothers ate their own children.)

Almost all scholars, agree that the next verse is about the siege of 70 AD.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (This last verse contains a reference to a time span that would occur before the fulfillment of the next verse. The time of the Gentiles will not end until the future Second Coming of Christ.)


At the beginning of Matthew chapter 24 the disciples ask Jesus two questions.



Mat 24:1
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



1. When will the temple be destroyed?


2. What will be the sign of thy coming (Gk. parousia), and the end of the age?




Jesus answers the first question within the first half of Matthew chapter 24.

He answers the second question within the last half of Matthew chapter 24.

The key Greek word “parousia” connects this second question to the future Second Coming of Christ.

This Greek word “parousia” found in other passages of the New Testament connect the passages to Christ’s return.
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How many times have I told you that the AOD is not done by that Antiochus and that the government in Christ time was the result of the forsaking of the covenant that is part of the AOD? The whole scheme/history of them (the Maccabee's) cleansing the temple after that Antiochus' defilement is not recognized by God.

By Christ's time the leaders of the Jews were those who had forsaken the covenant as described in Dan 11:30-31, the reason for the temple's final desolation, what Luke was talking about.

We've also been thru the fact the only connection of anything standing in the temple, showing itself to be God, as referenced somewhere in Thes. also, is only in reference to the Beast/the Antichrist who is the scriptural 8th Roman emperor who destroys the temple.

The only connection is him making the temple finally desolate since the (Levitical) covenant was forsaken from way back during the Greek days, the abomination that made it desolate eventually.

The same "sin" the leaders of the Jews committed is the same "sin" the leaders of Chris-tianity has committed in not recognizing the significance of the crowning of a high priest as king, one whose name translates the same name as "Jesus," and not recognizing the forsaken of the Levitical priesthood as the AOD, not recognizing the government in Christ time as the result of the AOD being set up.

If you accept the Maccabee's history and Hanukkah, it's as if you're denying Christ - following in the footstep of the forsakers of the covenant, the disobedient Jews.

We've been thru this already!
 
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Yeah, I disagree, and again think this is the most plausible explanation. That Ezra 4:6-23 should be read like a parentheses Ezra 4:1-5 then 24.

1Now when the enemies of Judah and Benjamin heard that the people of the exile were building a temple to the LORD God of Israel, 2they approached Zerubbabel and the heads of fathers’ households, and said to them, “Let us build with you, for we, like you, seek your God; and we have been sacrificing to Him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assyria, who brought us up here.” 3But Zerubbabel and Jeshua and the rest of the heads of fathers’ households of Israel said to them, “You have nothing in common with us in building a house to our God; but we ourselves will together build to the LORD God of Israel, as King Cyrus, the king of Persia has commanded us.”
4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

24Then work on the house of God in Jerusalem ceased, and it was stopped until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.

As you can see I jumped from vs. 5 to 24

So the Ezra 4:6-23 should be treated as a parentheses. Merely going into the future to give an account of what happened in the time Xerxes to Artexerxes.


6Now in the reign of Ahasuerus, in the beginning of his reign, they wrote an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem.
7And in the days of Artaxerxes, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his colleagues wrote to Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the text of the letter was written in Aramaic and translated fromAramaic.

 8Rehum the commander and Shimshai the scribe wrote a letter against Jerusalem to King Artaxerxes, as follows— 9then wrote Rehum the commander and Shimshai the scribe and the rest of their colleagues, the judges and the lesser governors, the officials, the secretaries, the men of Erech, the Babylonians, the men of Susa, that is, the Elamites, 10and the rest of the nations which the great and honorable Osnappar deported and settled in the city of Samaria, and in the rest of the region beyond the River. Now 11this is the copy of the letter which they sent to him:
 “To King Artaxerxes: Your servants, the men in the region beyond the River, and now 12let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem; they are rebuilding the rebellious and evil city and are finishing the walls and repairing the foundations. 13“Now let it be known to the king, that if that city is rebuilt and the walls are finished, they will not pay tribute, custom or toll, and it will damage the revenue of the kings. 14“Now because we are in the service of the palace, and it is not fitting for us to see the king’s dishonor, therefore we have sent and informed the king, 15so that a search may be made in the record books of your fathers. And you will discover in the record books and learn that that city is a rebellious city and damaging to kings and provinces, and that they have incited revolt within it in past days; therefore that city was laid waste. 16“We inform the king that if that city is rebuilt and the walls finished, as a result you will have no possession in the province beyond the River.”


 17Then the king sent an answer to Rehum the commander, to Shimshai the scribe, and to the rest of their colleagues who live in Samaria and in the rest of the provinces beyond the River: “Peace. And now 18the document which you sent to us has been translated and read before me.19“A decree has been issued by me, and a search has been made and it has been discovered that that city has risen up against the kings in past days, that rebellion and revolt have been perpetrated in it, 20that mighty kings have ruled over Jerusalem, governing all the provinces beyond the River, and that tribute, custom and toll were paid to them.21“So, now issue a decree to make these men stop work, that this city may not be rebuilt until a decree is issued by me.22“Beware of being negligent in carrying out this matter; why should damage increase to the detriment of the kings?”
23Then as soon as the copy of King Artaxerxes’ document was read before Rehum and Shimshai the scribe and their colleagues, they went in haste to Jerusalem to the Jews and stopped them by force of arms.

I just don't think an imposter King that usurped for a few months, had that great of an impact. From the sources I've checked he was insignificant. What are the chances, that during that 6 month time frame this occurred.


Like I stated before- Ezra at no point makes any distinction, separating the Artaxerxes of Ezra 7:1 from the Artexerxes of Ezra 4:7.
He was a scribe, and I'm sure he would let the record show if Artexerxes in 4:7 was the imposter.


Again, I know you don't agree. However, I've determined in my heart, that I believe this is the most plausible situation. Also, that the work ceased in the reign of Cyrus Ezra 4:4-5

4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

Again, in the original language that word for frustrate means to cause to cease, or to break apart, to disappoint their purpose (which was building). So to me, it's clear the work ceased during the reign of Cyrus.
 
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If you accept the Maccabee's history and Hanukkah, it's as if you're denying Christ - following in the footstep of the forsakers of the covenant, the disobedient Jews.

Are you saying Jesus did not celebrate Hanukkah, during His time.

John 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

Here is what Flavius Josephus said about the attack by Antiochus in "Wars of the Jews" Book 5, Chapter 10,

"...for that the Jews would then be so much readier to fight against Antiochus who had laid waste the temple at Jerusalem..."
........................................................
And we find this in Book 1...

The Wars Of The Jews


Or

The History Of The Destruction Of Jerusalem

Book 1

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN YEARS.

FROM THE TAKING OF JERUSALEM BY ANTIOCHUS EPIPHANES, TO THE DEATH OF HEROD THE GREAT.

CHAPTER 1

HOW THE CITY JERUSALEM WAS TAKEN, AND THE TEMPLE PILLAGED [BY ANTIOCHUS EPIPHANES]. AS ALSO CONCERNING THE ACTIONS OF THE MACCABEES, MATTHIAS AND JUDAS; AND CONCERNING THE DEATH OF JUDAS.

1. AT the same time that Antiochus, who was called Epiphanes, had a quarrel with the sixth Ptolemy about his right to the whole country of Syria, a great sedition fell among the men of power in Judea, and they had a contention about obtaining the government; while each of those that were of dignity could not endure to be subject to their equals. However, Onias, one of the high priests, got the better, and cast the sons of Tobias out of the city; who fled to Antiochus, and besought him to make use of them for his leaders, and to make an expedition into Judea. The king being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months. But Onias, the high priest, fled to Ptolemy, and received a place from him in the Nomus of Heliopolis, where he built a city resembling Jerusalem, and a temple that was like its temple (1) concerning which we shall speak more in its proper place hereafter.

2. Now Antiochus was not satisfied either with his unexpected taking the city, or with its pillage, or with the great slaughter he had made there; but being overcome with his violent passions, and remembering what he had suffered during the siege, he compelled the Jews to dissolve the laws of their country, and to keep their infants uncircumcised, and to sacrifice swine's flesh upon the altar; against which they all opposed themselves, and the most approved among them were put to death. Bacchides also, who was sent to keep the fortresses, having these wicked commands, joined to his own natural barbarity, indulged all sorts of the extremest wickedness, and tormented the worthiest of the inhabitants, man by man, and threatened their city every day with open destruction, till at length he provoked the poor sufferers by the extremity of his wicked doings to avenge themselves.

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If you accept the Maccabee's history and Hanukkah, it's as if you're denying Christ - following in the footstep of the forsakers of the covenant, the disobedient Jews.

Did you know that the Jews had several traditions added to their celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that went beyond the basic requirements in the Bible? There was a water pouring ceremony (water from the lowest pool in Jerusalem, the Pool of Siloam, was carried up to the temple area and poured out) and there was a large menorah lighting ceremony. It is believed to be in the context of these Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2) traditions that Jesus proclaimed, "I am the Living Water" (John 7:37-39) and, "I am the Light of the World" (John 8:12). To top that off, he healed the man born blind by sending him to wash mud off his eyes in the pool of Siloam (John 9). I learned all about it in this book, which is very good: http://store.jewsforjesus.org/books/christ-in-the-feast-of-tabernacles.html

Remember we Gentiles aren't better than Jews. Faith and wisdom are gifts from the Lord so there's nothing to boast about.
 
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Yeah, I disagree, and again think this is the most plausible explanation. That Ezra 4:6-23 should be read like a parentheses Ezra 4:1-5 then 24.

1Now when the enemies of Judah and Benjamin heard that the people of the exile were building a temple to the LORD God of Israel, 2they approached Zerubbabel and the heads of fathers’ households, and said to them, “Let us build with you, for we, like you, seek your God; and we have been sacrificing to Him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assyria, who brought us up here.” 3But Zerubbabel and Jeshua and the rest of the heads of fathers’ households of Israel said to them, “You have nothing in common with us in building a house to our God; but we ourselves will together build to the LORD God of Israel, as King Cyrus, the king of Persia has commanded us.”
4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

24Then work on the house of God in Jerusalem ceased, and it was stopped until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.

As you can see I jumped from vs. 5 to 24
It's interesting that you would jump from vs 5 to 24 when the context of vs 7 to 24 is Artaxerxes.

<Staff Edit>



So the Ezra 4:6-23 should be treated as a parentheses. Merely going into the future to give an account of what happened in the time Xerxes to Artexerxes.
So when did the building stop, and when did it resume?


6Now in the reign of Ahasuerus, in the beginning of his reign, they wrote an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem.
7And in the days of Artaxerxes, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel and the rest of his colleagues wrote to Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the text of the letter was written in Aramaic and translated fromAramaic.

 8Rehum the commander and Shimshai the scribe wrote a letter against Jerusalem to King Artaxerxes, as follows— 9then wrote Rehum the commander and Shimshai the scribe and the rest of their colleagues, the judges and the lesser governors, the officials, the secretaries, the men of Erech, the Babylonians, the men of Susa, that is, the Elamites, 10and the rest of the nations which the great and honorable Osnappar deported and settled in the city of Samaria, and in the rest of the region beyond the River. Now 11this is the copy of the letter which they sent to him:
 “To King Artaxerxes: Your servants, the men in the region beyond the River, and now 12let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem; they are rebuilding the rebellious and evil city and are finishing the walls and repairing the foundations. 13“Now let it be known to the king, that if that city is rebuilt and the walls are finished, they will not pay tribute, custom or toll, and it will damage the revenue of the kings. 14“Now because we are in the service of the palace, and it is not fitting for us to see the king’s dishonor, therefore we have sent and informed the king, 15so that a search may be made in the record books of your fathers. And you will discover in the record books and learn that that city is a rebellious city and damaging to kings and provinces, and that they have incited revolt within it in past days; therefore that city was laid waste. 16“We inform the king that if that city is rebuilt and the walls finished, as a result you will have no possession in the province beyond the River.”


 17Then the king sent an answer to Rehum the commander, to Shimshai the scribe, and to the rest of their colleagues who live in Samaria and in the rest of the provinces beyond the River: “Peace. And now 18the document which you sent to us has been translated and read before me.19“A decree has been issued by me, and a search has been made and it has been discovered that that city has risen up against the kings in past days, that rebellion and revolt have been perpetrated in it, 20that mighty kings have ruled over Jerusalem, governing all the provinces beyond the River, and that tribute, custom and toll were paid to them.21“So, now issue a decree to make these men stop work, that this city may not be rebuilt until a decree is issued by me.22“Beware of being negligent in carrying out this matter; why should damage increase to the detriment of the kings?”
23Then as soon as the copy of King Artaxerxes’ document was read before Rehum and Shimshai the scribe and their colleagues, they went in haste to Jerusalem to the Jews and stopped them by force of arms.
So who caused the building to cease?


I just don't think an imposter King that usurped for a few months, had that great of an impact. From the sources I've checked he was insignificant. What are the chances, that during that 6 month time frame this occurred.
A greater chance than thinking this is Nehem--h's Artaxerxes who you also claime gave the decree to build the city and not Cyrus. <Staff Edit>


Like I stated before- Ezra at no point makes any distinction, separating the Artaxerxes of Ezra 7:1 from the Artexerxes of Ezra 4:7.
He was a scribe, and I'm sure he would let the record show if Artexerxes in 4:7 was the imposter.
Ezra didn't interpret the book into English.


Again, I know you don't agree. However, I've determined in my heart, that I believe this is the most plausible situation. Also, that the work ceased in the reign of Cyrus Ezra 4:4-5
The word there is frustrated, not stopped. And if it was stopped in vs 4 and 5, there wouldn't be a letter to Artaxerxes in vs 7 resulting in his decreeing the work to stop in vs 24, the reason you have to jump from vs 5 to 24 in your interpretation - the confusion.


4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.
I can see where you're coming from now, but even if it did cease from Cyrus to Darius, it is still 71 yrs of unhindered building to Artaxerxes!

This is the umpteenth time I'm saying it. How couldn't Israel have finished rebuilding the city in that 71yrs what you claim Nehem--h completed in 52 days?

Plus it's recorded in the new testament that the temple took a number of years to rebuild, and Solomon took at least 7 yrs. Four years from Darius' 2nd year to his 6th year doesn't cut it.



Again, in the original language that word for frustrate means to cause to cease, or to break apart, to disappoint their purpose (which was building). So to me, it's clear the work ceased during the reign of Cyrus.
You're forcing that square peg in the wrong hole again. Frustrate means frustrate, harassment, not ceasing, or else Ezra 6:14 wouldn't have been reporting building thru the reigns of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes.
 
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Are you saying Jesus did not celebrate Hanukkah, during His time.

John 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
There are many verses of Christ criticizing the rulers of Israel and their practices. That is why He is quoted as saying, "Could anything good come out of Israel?"


Here is what Flavius Josephus said about the attack by Antiochus in "Wars of the Jews" Book 5, Chapter 10,

"...for that the Jews would then be so much readier to fight against Antiochus who had laid waste the temple at Jerusalem..."
........................................................
And we find this in Book 1...

The Wars Of The Jews


Or

The History Of The Destruction Of Jerusalem

Book 1

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN YEARS.

FROM THE TAKING OF JERUSALEM BY ANTIOCHUS EPIPHANES, TO THE DEATH OF HEROD THE GREAT.

CHAPTER 1

HOW THE CITY JERUSALEM WAS TAKEN, AND THE TEMPLE PILLAGED [BY ANTIOCHUS EPIPHANES]. AS ALSO CONCERNING THE ACTIONS OF THE MACCABEES, MATTHIAS AND JUDAS; AND CONCERNING THE DEATH OF JUDAS.

1. AT the same time that Antiochus, who was called Epiphanes, had a quarrel with the sixth Ptolemy about his right to the whole country of Syria, a great sedition fell among the men of power in Judea, and they had a contention about obtaining the government; while each of those that were of dignity could not endure to be subject to their equals. However, Onias, one of the high priests, got the better, and cast the sons of Tobias out of the city; who fled to Antiochus, and besought him to make use of them for his leaders, and to make an expedition into Judea. The king being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months. But Onias, the high priest, fled to Ptolemy, and received a place from him in the Nomus of Heliopolis, where he built a city resembling Jerusalem, and a temple that was like its temple (1) concerning which we shall speak more in its proper place hereafter.

2. Now Antiochus was not satisfied either with his unexpected taking the city, or with its pillage, or with the great slaughter he had made there; but being overcome with his violent passions, and remembering what he had suffered during the siege, he compelled the Jews to dissolve the laws of their country, and to keep their infants uncircumcised, and to sacrifice swine's flesh upon the altar; against which they all opposed themselves, and the most approved among them were put to death. Bacchides also, who was sent to keep the fortresses, having these wicked commands, joined to his own natural barbarity, indulged all sorts of the extremest wickedness, and tormented the worthiest of the inhabitants, man by man, and threatened their city every day with open destruction, till at length he provoked the poor sufferers by the extremity of his wicked doings to avenge themselves.

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Which part of the history of the Maccabees being the forsaking of the Levitical priesthood don't you comprehend? Why are you posting what i already told you is not of God? If anything, you should be addressing the fact the AOD is the replacement of the sons of Aaron as high priests, the forsaking of the Levitical covenant, the reason the temple meet it's final desolation.
 
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