7 year peace treaty, what 7 year peace treaty?

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hmm? Many of the sources I've checked refer to Xerxes as Ahasuerus.
As a matter of fact, I typed Xerxes into a search engine and most all I saw was him identified as Ahasuerus.
It is still a first for me.


Ezra 6:14

14And the elders of the Jews built and prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. They finished their building by decree of the God of Israel and by decree of Cyrus and Darius and Artaxerxes king of Persia;

So the Jews finished their building by the decree of Cyrus and Darius, which refers to the temple. And, of Artexerxes relating to the building of the wall and the city in the time of Nehemiah. The imposter usurped the kingdom for a few months and was almost irrelevant.

They prospered during the reign of Cyrus (temple foundation). Darius (temple structure). Artexerxes (the wall and the city) time of Nehemiah.

I was wondering what you meant when you say the text wrongly aligned the reign of Cyrus with the reign of the imposter?
Did I not provide Ezra 4:6-24, explaining that that is the imposter and the only interruption between 92 yrs of building post-Babylon? And did i not say it was 71 yrs to Nehem--h's 52 days completion of the wall?

If the only interruption was two yrs followed by 71 yrs of unhindered building, how was the city not rebuilt, but rebuilt by Nehem--h in 52 days? How could Nehem--h receive news of the city in ruins 71 yrs after the final interruption of it's rebuilding?

<Staff Edit> stumbling block is the crowning of Joshua as king and high priest post-Babylon!
 
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No, it is not 70 weeks determined on the gospel either. Nor the new covenant. The 70 weeks are determined on Israel and Jerusalem.

btw, the gospel was not understood until after the resurrection (Luke 24:44-48) - after the messiah had been cutoff.

Jesus arrived on passover week, riding the donkey fulfilling Zechariah 9:9 the arrival of their king, hailed as the messiah King of Israel, Son of David by his followers; 4 days later was crucified.

The 62 weeks is correct for the arrival of the messiah, and his being cutoff. Zechariah 9:9 was not fulfilled at Jesus's baptism, nor when he was born.

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
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70 weeks are determined upon Israel and Jerusalem.

7 of those weeks tied to the rebuilding of Jerusalem
62 more of those weeks until the arrival of the messiah (Zechariah 9:9), and him cutoff
1 of those weeks, the last week, for the prince who shall come actions.

When did the New Covenant go into effect, if it was not during the 70 weeks?


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

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When did the New Covenant go into effect, if it was not during the 70 weeks?


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


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The New Covenant cannot save anyone, until they receive it. The 70 weeks are upon Israel and Jerusalem and do not end until the end of the war (of Armageddon).

Daniel 9:26 ......and the end thereof (of the 70 weeks) shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war (of Armageddon) desolations are determined.

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70 weeks are determined upon Israel and Jerusalem.

7 of those weeks tied to the rebuilding of Jerusalem
62 more of those weeks until the arrival of the messiah (Zechariah 9:9), and him cutoff
1 of those weeks, the last week, for the prince who shall come actions.
 
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It is still a first for me.


Did I not provide Ezra 4:6-24, explaining that that is the imposter and the only interruption between 92 yrs of building post-Babylon? And did i not say it was 71 yrs to Nehem--h's 52 days completion of the wall?

If the only interruption was two yrs followed by 71 yrs of unhindered building, how was the city not rebuilt, but rebuilt by Nehem--h in 52 days? How could Nehem--h receive news of the city in ruins 71 yrs after the final interruption of it's rebuilding?

<Staff Edit> stumbling block is the crowning of Joshua as king and high priest post-Babylon!
I see, it is possible (but doubtful), the imposter King was that Artexerxes. However, I'm kind of taking issue with how most sources state he only deceitfully usurped power for a few months. I don't see how this could all happen in just a few months.

It is possible that Cambyses was the Ahasuerus mentioned in Ezra 4:6.

I see it more likely that Ezra 4:7-23 jumps to the reign of the Artexerxes of Nehemiah's day. And is not speaking of an imposter who deceitfully reigned for a brief while.


I believe it's a better choice, than to suggest Ezra made a scribal error, or that the text is incorrect. I always believe that the bible is perfect in it's original form. That some things could be misunderstood through translation, but if there's ever a doubt we can look to the original language.

Joshua the high priest represents the Branch or Messiah in Zechariah 3 and 6. That was symbolic of Christ. Joshua the high priest was merely a symbol of Christ. Of things to come. Zechariah 3:8 it says so right here.

8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.
 
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Hi precept,

Please, what?

When one uses the word 'please' it is generally associated with a request of some kind. Please would you pass the ketchup. Could you please give me some money, etc. To just say the word 'please' as if it is a whole sentence or has some meaning of its own is bad grammar. Now, if we were speaking out loud to each other, then sometimes people have a tendency to say 'please' with a voice inflection that denotes sarcasm or disbelief, but that can't be passed through in written communication very well.

I rather imagine this is what you are doing and its fine with me if you feel that way about my understanding. God didn't put me here to please you, but to please Him.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Fushion77 said that was what he was taught.

You're going on about your responses, but what about mines? Haven't I provided factual responses, to which you continue to ignore? You're the ones lacking knowledge of the facts, and when I provide what you didn't know, you 2nd guess it.

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Me, I'm just a man sitting at his laptop responding to posts and trying as best I know how to align the truth with God's word. You seem to be stuck on Isaiah's writing that God said Cyrus would rebuild His city. According to the Scriptural record Cyrus did begin the rebuilding, but it seemed to center mainly on the temple. This all comes from the Scriptures, not other secular writings. Both Nehemiah and Ezra give a clear understanding that Cyrus didn't finish the job.

Now, we don't know whether God meant us to understand that Cyrus was going to turn over Jerusalem in pristine and brand spanking new condition or whether he was just going to build His city. Cyrus did allow the Jews to return to Jerusalem which would have made it a living city again. Cyrus did order some construction to be done in the city, but neither God nor any of the other writers ever said that Cyrus would complete the work or be the only one who would work on rebuilding Jerusalem. God just said that Cyrus was going to rebuild His city.

You are free to lock on to Isaiah's passage and base your entire theological understanding of this time in Israel's history solely on that singular piece of Scripture, or...

You can take the whole counsel of God.

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God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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I see, it is possible (but doubtful), the imposter King was that Artexerxes. However, I'm kind of taking issue with how most sources state he only deceitfully usurped power for a few months. I don't see how this could all happen in just a few months.
You doubt the imposter king was that Artaxerxes and the chronology proves it?
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It is possible that Cambyses was the Ahasuerus mentioned in Ezra 4:6.
How could Cambyses be the imposter when, once again, the chronology proves it is done by the king that reigned just before Darius?


I see it more likely that Ezra 4:7-23 jumps to the reign of the Artexerxes of Nehemiah's day. And is not speaking of an imposter who deceitfully reigned for a brief while.
You are not that ignorant to not understand that the ceasing was done just before King Darius' reign. The building began again in his 2nd yr of reign. It is the chronology of the events. The halting is done before Darius' reign!


I believe it's a better choice, than to suggest Ezra made a scribal error, or that the text is incorrect. I always believe that the bible is perfect in it's original form. That some things could be misunderstood through translation, but if there's ever a doubt we can look to the original language.
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Joshua the high priest represents the Branch or Messiah in Zechariah 3 and 6. That was symbolic of Christ. Joshua the high priest was merely a symbol of Christ. Of things to come. Zechariah 3:8 it says so right here.
Merely the only man ever crowned king and high priest in Israel's history whose name is translated the same as "Jesus." The only man not born a son of David that reign on his throne, the last king at that to reign in Israel period.

Here's an interesting thought, God's message to Zedek--h, the last Judaic king that sat on the throne before Joshua:

Eze 21:25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, [Isn't this the same phrase in the 70wks prophecy?]
Eze 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.
Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
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Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Is this not saying the same thing as the previous verse, "when iniquity shall have an end"? And does it not say they will be no more kings in Israel until "he whose right it is" comes, and he will give it to him?



8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.

Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

I really don't know which book you people are reading!
 
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Daniels prophecy was also mentioned by Jesus..the abomination of desolation was also the armies compassing Jerusalem when it got destroyed. Jesus was saying this to THIS generation, ie. The ones he was talking to by the temple.

He was not saying 2000 years into the future or 1538 years or even 600.

Im sorry, unless you dont believe Jesus and think he was saying it wrong.
 
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A 'Peace Plan' Will Be Enforced Upon Israel Which Will Change the World . . . Forever!!!

The Bible is clear about a coming prophetic event which is very important . . . Watch for a coming "Peace plan" (covenant), "Treaty," or "Resolution" which will one day be enforced upon the nation and people of Israel (probably to trade "land for peace" ... and a new Temple). We are warned in Bible prophecy of a coming 7 year period ("one week of years") defined by a "peace treaty" which will be forced upon Israel. This upcoming 7 year or "one week of years" is first revealed in the book of Daniel (chapter 9), and then chapters 6 - 20 in the book of Revelation detail all the terrible events which will take place during this final 7 year period of time sometimes called 'the Apocalypse'. This coming 'peace plan,' 'treaty,' or 'resolution' will be "enforced" (confirmed) by a coming world leader who (it appears from Bible prophecy) will first rise over a group of 10 nations which were once part of the Roman Empire (see the Antichrist). The Bible doesn't say he wrote this coming 'peace plan' or treaty, but says he will enforce a peace plan ("covenant") upon Israel ... a treaty or peace plan that may have been originally drafted at an earlier time. Exactly 3½ years (1,260 days) after this 'false peace' is enforced, this "peace plan or treaty" will be annulled by this coming world leader (the Antichrist) while addressing the world from a new Jewish Temple which will someday be built in Jerusalem . . . it will be this address, given by this leader, from a newly built Jewish Temple which will trigger the terrors of the final 3½ years of the "Great Tribulation." It appears the "Rapture" of all sincere, believing Christians ("Christ" is the Greek word for "Messiah") will take place sometime before this coming "peace treaty" is enforced upon Israel. As a note, we must never force Israel to give up the land God has given them. It is theirs. Pray for Israel and Her people. MORE
 
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There were different kinds of blood sacrifices. Not all of them were for sin. The peace offering (Leviticus 3) was killed and it says nothing about sin--it sounds like an offering of worship to celebrate, thank, worship the LORD for the peace He has extended to the offerer. We have peace with God through Jesus Christ.
Oh my mistake I was thinking of the wave offering.
 
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A 'Peace Plan' Will Be Enforced Upon Israel Which Will Change the World . . . Forever!!!


The Bible is clear about a coming prophetic event which is very important . . . Watch for a coming "Peace plan" (covenant), "Treaty," or "Resolution" which will one day be enforced upon the nation and people of Israel (probably to trade "land for peace" ... and a new Temple). We are warned in Bible prophecy of a coming 7 year period ("one week of years") defined by a "peace treaty" which will be forced upon Israel. This upcoming 7 year or "one week of years" is first revealed in the book of Daniel (chapter 9), and then chapters 6 - 20 in the book of Revelation detail all the terrible events which will take place during this final 7 year period of time sometimes called 'the Apocalypse'. This coming 'peace plan,' 'treaty,' or 'resolution' will be "enforced" (confirmed) by a coming world leader who (it appears from Bible prophecy) will first rise over a group of 10 nations which were once part of the Roman Empire (see the Antichrist). The Bible doesn't say he wrote this coming 'peace plan' or treaty, but says he will enforce a peace plan ("covenant") upon Israel ... a treaty or peace plan that may have been originally drafted at an earlier time. Exactly 3½ years (1,260 days) after this 'false peace' is enforced, this "peace plan or treaty" will be annulled by this coming world leader (the Antichrist) while addressing the world from a new Jewish Temple which will someday be built in Jerusalem . . . it will be this address, given by this leader, from a newly built Jewish Temple which will trigger the terrors of the final 3½ years of the "Great Tribulation." It appears the "Rapture" of all sincere, believing Christians ("Christ" is the Greek word for "Messiah") will take place sometime before this coming "peace treaty" is enforced upon Israel. As a note, we must never force Israel to give up the land God has given them. It is theirs. Pray for Israel and Her people. MORE
Lol this is religious propaganda. Im sorry.
 
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If people are that passionate believers about this 'peace treaty' i suggest they go to israel and go tell everyone the gospel themselves.

You can book a tour there. Jesus said blessed are the peacemakers. He doesnt say blessed are those that make a seven year peace treaty and break it. Thats just weird.
 
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You doubt the imposter king was that Artaxerxes and the chronology proves it? You people really do have a reading comprehension problem.


How could Cambyses be the imposter when, once again, the chronology proves it is done by the king that reigned just before Darius?


You do not understand that the ceasing was done just before King Darius' reign. The building began again in his 2nd yr of reign. It is the chronology of the events. The halting is done before Darius' reign!<Staff Edit>


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Merely the only man ever crowned king and high priest in Israel's history whose name is translated the same as "Jesus." The only man not born a son of David that reign on his throne, the last king at that to reign in Israel period.

Here's an interesting thought, God's message to Zedek--h, the last Judaic king that sat on the throne before Joshua:


Eze 21:25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, [Isn't this the same phrase in the 70wks prophecy?]
Eze 21:26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.
Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

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Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Is this not saying the same thing as the previous verse, "when iniquity shall have an end"? And does it not say they will be no more kings in Israel until "he whose right it is" comes, and he will give it to him?





Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:


I really don't know which book you people are reading!
Yes, Joshua is a type of the Messiah. It's symbolic. No high priest could ever be high priest and king. It's a representation of Christ. You know behold (or look at Joshua who is a symbol of) the man whose name is Branch. (Messiah)
Jeremiah 33:15

15‘In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth.

Isaiah 11:1

1There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse,
and a branch from his roots shall bear fruit.

Who said Ahasuerus was the imposter? Ahasuerus was also called Cambyses. So it's possible Ezra 4:6 speaks of Cambyses. Then came the imposter for 6 months, Then Darius.


So the foundation of the second temple laid in 536 BC. The work ceased around that time until the 2nd year of Darius. Work ceased from 536-520 Bc give or take. Then resumed around 520 or 519 BC. I don't think it's right to suggest the bible is wrong in Ezra 4:4-5 and that the Lord accidentally had Cyrus's name recorded, instead of Artexerxes.

4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

So if we listen to the bible. It states they were frightened from building. From Cyrus (not Artexerxes) until Darius (second year) Ezra 4:24. Around 536-520 BC. Just because you want it so say Artexerxes and are even willing to suggest the bible is wrong, it doesn't say Artexerxes, It says CYRUS!


I guess if I'm ignorant for believing the bible is true, then I'm the MOST ignorant human being on earth. Because I don't for a second doubt The Lords ability to preserve his word for us. Either He is Omnipotent or not. If he is Almighty, does it seem like to much for Him to preserve His Word for us?
 
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The New Covenant cannot save anyone, until they receive it. The 70 weeks are upon Israel and Jerusalem and do not end until the end of the war (of Armageddon).

Daniel 9:26 ......and the end thereof (of the 70 weeks) shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war (of Armageddon) desolations are determined.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________
70 weeks are determined upon Israel and Jerusalem.

7 of those weeks tied to the rebuilding of Jerusalem
62 more of those weeks until the arrival of the messiah (Zechariah 9:9), and him cutoff
1 of those weeks, the last week, for the prince who shall come actions.

You did not answer the question.

And 3,000 of them did receive the New Blood Covenant on the day of Pentecost, making your statement that they did not receive it false.

Paul was an Israelite who accepted the New Covenant, again making your claim false.


Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.




Rom_9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

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Me, I'm just a man sitting at his laptop responding to posts and trying as best I know how to align the truth with God's word. You seem to be stuck on Isaiah's writing that God said Cyrus would rebuild His city. According to the Scriptural record Cyrus did begin the rebuilding, but it seemed to center mainly on the temple. This all comes from the Scriptures, not other secular writings. Both Nehemiah and Ezra give a clear understanding that Cyrus didn't finish the job.
The decree didn't say Cyrus had to finish the city. It says he gave the decree to go and rebuild it. The decree for the 70wks prophecy is Cyrus' decree, period. God said so himself. He gave Cyrus the right to free his people and build the city and temple. It doesn't get any plainer than that.


Now, we don't know whether God meant us to understand that Cyrus was going to turn over Jerusalem in pristine and brand spanking new condition or whether he was just going to build His city. Cyrus did allow the Jews to return to Jerusalem which would have made it a living city again. Cyrus did order some construction to be done in the city, but neither God nor any of the other writers ever said that Cyrus would complete the work or be the only one who would work on rebuilding Jerusalem. God just said that Cyrus was going to rebuild His city.
It is about the decree for the 70wks prophecy, 7wks to Cyrus' decree!


You are free to lock on to Isaiah's passage and base your entire theological understanding of this time in Israel's history solely on that singular piece of Scripture, or...

You can take the whole counsel of God. :pray:

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God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
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Yes, Joshua is a type of the Messiah. It's symbolic. No high priest could ever be crowned king. It's a representation of Christ.
First you say the scriptures are perfect, now you're second guessing it? The scripture specifically states he reigns as king and high priest. And that's another thing, you act as if you didn't read the concrete proof that I provide to come back with this ignorance of symbolism. The scriptures specifically says "he whose right it is" will be given the crown. That is not something to glimpse over.


Who said Ahasuerus was the imposter? Ahasuerus was also called Cambyses. So it's possible Ezra 4:6 speaks of Cambyses. Then came the imposter for 6 months, Then Darius.
First you said Xerxes was called Ahasuerus, now you're saying Cambyses. That's what mixed me up. I misunderstood your original statement in thinking you meant Cambyses was the imposter, and not that Ezra 4:6 was referencing Cambyses as Ahasuerus, the reason why the next verse addresses Artaxerxes the imposter as a different person than Ahasuerus.

I was thinking both were in reference to the imposter because I keep forgetting about Cambyses, and because I know that in Ezra 6:14, the names aren't in chronological order.


So the foundation of the second temple laid in 536 BC. The work ceased around that time until the 2nd year of Darius. Work ceased from 536-520 Bc give or take. Then resumed around 520 or 519 BC. I don't think it's right to suggest the bible is wrong in Ezra 4:4-5 and that the Lord accidentally had Cyrus's name recorded, instead of Artexerxes.
<Staff Edit> you need to re-read what you're saying.

Israel left Babylon in 539 bc and began rebuilding 7mths from the exodus. They built for 21 years thru the reigns of Cyrus and Cambyses until the imposter. The imposter was slain by Darius and the rebuilding began again 2yrs after he began to reign.

The temple was completed 4yrs after in Dairus' 6th yr in 516 bc.

There are no more interruptions in Israel's building after the imposter. That is 71yrs to Nehem--h in 445bc. There are no logical reasons why the city wasn't rebuilt in those 71 yrs, much less the city being in ruins because it was never finished when Nehem--h gets the news in 445bc.


4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

So if we listen to the bible. It states they were frightened from building. From Cyrus (not Artexerxes) until Darius (second year) Ezra 4:24. Around 536-520 BC
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First you say the scriptures are perfect, now you're second guessing it? The scripture specifically states he reigns as king and high priest. And that's another thing, you act as if you didn't read the concrete proof that I provide to come back with this ignorance of symbolism. The scriptures specifically says "he whose right it is" will be given the crown. That is not something to glimpse over.


First you said Xerxes was called Ahasuerus, now you're saying Cambyses. That's what mixed me up. I misunderstood your original statement in thinking you meant Cambyses was the imposter, and not that Ezra 4:6 was referencing Cambyses as Ahasuerus, the reason why the next verse addresses Artaxerxes the imposter as a different person than Ahasuerus.

I was thinking both were in reference to the imposter because I keep forgetting about Cambyses, and because I know that in Ezra 6:14, the names aren't in chronological order.


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Israel left Babylon in 539 bc and began rebuilding 7mths from the exodus. They built for 21 years thru the reigns of Cyrus and Cambyses until the imposter. The imposter was slain by Darius and the rebuilding began again 2yrs after he began to reign.

The temple was completed 4yrs after in Dairus' 6th yr in 516 bc.

There are no more interruptions in Israel's building after the imposter. That is 71yrs to Nehem--h in 445bc. There are no logical reasons why the city wasn't rebuilt in those 71 yrs, much less the city being in ruins because it was never finished when Nehem--h gets the news in 445bc.


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The bible is perfect. Zechariah 3:8
States Joshua is a symbol of the Branch

8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.

The same encounter with the same angel and the same prophet is told to "symbolically" crown Joshua the high priest in Zechariah 6. Same encounter, same angel, same prophet. Joshua still a symbol of the Branch just like the bible in Zechariah 3:8 states. Symbolically crowned the high priest as King. Zechariah 6:13

13“Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.”’

The counsel of peace between the 2 offices. Come on! No earthly high priest could do that! It's symbolic of Christ. Same as Zechariah 3:8 says. He is a symbol of the Branch!

The foundation was laid in the second year of their coming 536 BC Ezra 3:8-10
8Now in the second year of their coming to the house of God at Jerusalem in the second month, Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak and the rest of their brothers the priests and the Levites, and all who came from the captivity to Jerusalem, began the work and appointed the Levites from twenty years and older to oversee the work of the house of the LORD. 9Then Jeshua with his sons and brothers stood united with Kadmiel and his sons, the sons of Judah and the sons of Henadad with their sons and brothers the Levites, to oversee the workmen in the temple of God.

Probably built the altar in 537 BC maybe 538 Ezra 3:1-2. Month of Tishri

Then work ceased in the most of the reign of Cyrus (it states all the days of Cyrus) so from 536 maybe 535 BC until the second year of Darius. It says in Ezra 4:4-5

4Then the people of the land discouraged the people of Judah, and frightened them from building, 5and hired counselors against them to frustrate their counsel ALL the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia.

Until the second year of Darius Ezra 4:24 very clear in the scriptures.

 
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You did not answer the question.

And 3,000 of them did receive the New Blood Covenant on the day of Pentecost, making your statement that they did not receive it false.

Paul was an Israelite who accepted the New Covenant, again making your claim false.

The Jews went into 2000 years exile because they rejected the gospel. Everyone know that. The 70 weeks determined on
Israel and Jerusalem will not be complete till the end of the war (of Armageddon).

Daniel 9:26 ......and the end thereof (of the 70 weeks) shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war (of Armageddon) desolations are determined.

The feast on the corpses of war of Armageddon at the end of the 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:17-20.


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70 weeks are determined upon Israel and Jerusalem.

7 of those weeks tied to the rebuilding of Jerusalem
62 more of those weeks until the arrival of the messiah (Zechariah 9:9), and him cutoff
1 of those weeks, the last week, for the prince who shall come actions.
 
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