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In Revelation 16, the armies assemble at Armageddon not to fight against Jerusalem, albeit it is the same event as Zechariah 14, but to fight Jesus - in Revelation 19:19-21.
Dougg, we are mostly in agreement, the world will be in duress in the last days.
You are right that Armageddon is to fight Jesus, but I see Zechariah 14:1-2, as happening at the mid point of the 7 year peace treaty. Confirmed by Daniel 11:31 and all what happens in Revelation 12.

AlasBabylon, [good name!] Gog will attack a people gathered out of the nations....making their home in the Land at the center of the world. Ezekiel 38:12 This must be the Holy Land, confirmed by how Gog and his army will die on the mountains of Israel.... Ezekiel 39:4
 
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Dougg, we are mostly in agreement, the world will be in duress in the last days.
You are right that Armageddon is to fight Jesus, but I see Zechariah 14:1-2, as happening at the mid point of the 7 year peace treaty. Confirmed by Daniel 11:31 and all what happens in Revelation 12.

AlasBabylon, [good name!] Gog will attack a people gathered out of the nations....making their home in the Land at the center of the world. Ezekiel 38:12 This must be the Holy Land, confirmed by how Gog and his army will die on the mountains of Israel.... Ezekiel 39:4

They are already at the Golan Heights.
 
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As we type, Gog is manipulating his muslim horde to invade and occupy Christian Europe and USA.
This fits into Mystery Babylon's plan to destroy all national borders to create a mixed melting-pot.

In Ezekiel 38:11 [KJV] Gog goes up to the land of unwalled villages... which is quite symbolic of the
muslim hordes' main target, Germany, whose infamous wall separating western and communist Germany
was finally torn-down Nov 9. 1989.

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I think the mix will not be just human.But that is another thread.
 
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Babylon is used in the Bible prophesies, as a metaphor for the ungodly nations.
Read Jeremiah 50 & 51. Although Nebuchadnezzar is mentioned, he is just a type of the future leaders and Babylon is just a type of future nations, as we see today; denying God and allowing all sorts if sins.
It's obvious when those chapters and other prophesies are carefully read, they apply to the last days.

I agree, Mike van Wyk, a One World Govt will be established. Daniel 7:23

The time is coming, says the Lord, when I shall punish Babylon and many will die. Jeremiah 51:47
The sea will surge over Babylon, she is covered by the roaring waves. Jeremiah 51:42 Huh? Old Babylon is 1000s of miles from the ocean! This prophecy refers to a city, or cities that are on the coast.
 
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Babilon being rebuild.
 
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You all know the story about houses built on sand!

But sadly for the Americans here, I see the Babylon of end times prophecy, as New York. Jeremiah 51:1-32, Isaiah 47:1-15, Revelation 18 really don't fit anywhere else.
 
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Babylon is used in the Bible prophesies, as a metaphor for the ungodly nations.
Read Jeremiah 50 & 51. Although Nebuchadnezzar is mentioned, he is just a type of the future leaders and Babylon is just a type of future nations, as we see today; denying God and allowing all sorts if sins.
It's obvious when those chapters and other prophesies are carefully read, they apply to the last days.

I believe Babylon is a city in shinar reestablished in the future... And she will influence the world with a doctrine of one mind one accord ..the people will be one .it will defy the gospel which is gods main plans ..it will establish its own laws of salvation ...it will commit crimes by judging against those breaking its laws

I agree, Mike van Wyk, a One World Govt will be established. Daniel 7:23

The time is coming, says the Lord, when I shall punish Babylon and many will die. Jeremiah 51:47
The sea will surge over Babylon, she is covered by the roaring waves. Jeremiah 51:42 Huh? Old Babylon is 1000s of miles from the ocean! This prophecy refers to a city, or cities that are on the coast.

The sea and roaring waves could be symbolic of nations rising up against her to destroy her...that is prophecied to happen to Babylon ...
 
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The sea and roaring waves could be symbolic of nations rising up against her to destroy her...that is prophecied to happen to Babylon ...


Interestingly... this is what Gog does against the beloved city at the end of the age... stirs up the world's hordes against it.

Revelation 20:7-9

In the OT archetype... God's people were captive in Babylon.

Micah 4:9-13 " You will go to Babylon; there you will be rescued. There the LORD will redeem you out of the hand of your enemies."

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Explain this verse to me. Zec 5:5-11


Obviously this prophecy uses the reoccuring Babylonian theme as does the book of Revelation.

God's people [who could be symbolized by the woman because Israel was God's wife] were sent into Babylonian captivity
because of their evil... they were told to build houses in Babylon because they would be living there a long time.

Jeremiah 29:4-5

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Obviously this prophecy uses the reoccuring Babylonian theme as does the book of Revelation.

God's people [who could be symbolized by the woman because Israel was God's wife] were sent into Babylonian captivity
because of their evil... they were told to build houses in Babylon because they would be living there a long time.

Jeremiah 29:4-5

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Zechariah received his prophecy in the postexilic period. I don't follow your reference to the exile.
 
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Zechariah received his prophecy in the postexilic period. I don't follow your reference to the exile.


I am referring to the repeated Babylonian pattern, the Babylonian archetype, that the book of Revelation also repeats.
Also the Cyrus pattern and symbols are used in the book of Revelation... because Cyrus is an OT archetype of Christ.

Babylon's [and Edom's] destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the removal of Israel from the Holy Land was a very big deal
in the history of Israel... so naturally that repeated pattern would be used for future prophecy.

Indeed that pattern repeats itself in NT times... beginning when the Edomite, Herod, teamed up with Rome [as Edom had teamed up with Babylon] when he conquered Jerusalem in 37BC and Rome proclaimed Herod, King of Judea.... to the death, resurrection and ascension
of Jesus Christ, God's REAL King of Israel, about 70 years later [33AD.]

I believe we are now living in the last 70 year Babylonian pattern... the end of the age.

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I am referring to the repeated Babylonian pattern, the Babylonian archetype, that the book of Revelation also repeats.
Also the Cyrus pattern and symbols are used in the book of Revelation... because Cyrus is an OT archetype of Christ.
 

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