Futurist Only Babilon

mike van wyk said:

Babilon must be build again!

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Not going to happen, mike.

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mike van wyk said:

What makes you think so?

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mike, there is just not enough time left for an entire city to be built.

mike van wyk said:

Babilon must be build again!

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Thanks for sharing those great pics. I think it is possible that Babylon could rise again as a significant player in the end times. I am not dogmatic about it though.

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The book of Revelation symbolically calls the end-time evil world empire Babylon.

Today one might call it the New World Order.

The important thing to understand is the historical pattern.

It's important to know what ancient Babylon did. It conquered the ancient world and in the process
it destroyed and enslaved God's people. It's also important to know how God's people were liberated
from ancient Babylon. That part of Israel's history is also symbolically told in Revelation. For example,
the symbolic white horse in Rev 19 is an important symbol from the history of that OT period.

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Babylon is used in the Bible prophesies, as a metaphor for the ungodly nations.
Read Jeremiah 50 & 51. Although Nebuchadnezzar is mentioned, he is just a type of the future leaders and Babylon is just a type of future nations, as we see today; denying God and allowing all sorts if sins.
It's obvious when those chapters and other prophesies are carefully read, they apply to the last days.

I agree, Mike van Wyk, a One World Govt will be established. Daniel 7:23

The time is coming, says the Lord, when I shall punish Babylon and many will die. Jeremiah 51:47
The sea will surge over Babylon, she is covered by the roaring waves. Jeremiah 51:42 Huh? Old Babylon is 1000s of miles from the ocean! This prophecy refers to a city, or cities that are on the coast.

mike van wyk said:

Shame poor Sadam, the NWO took him by surprise. He thought he could fulfill prophecy by himself, but he was wrong. Today we see the internal affairs of the NWO and understand it's plan to unite the world and divide the world into 10 regions. It is so obvious today to understand the plan and to understand prophecy molding into the fulfillment of the NWO. This is the reason for ISIS to help the NWO to organised the countries and shape them to the NWO plan. The NWO is structuring the toes of Nebukadnesar.

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The world divided into ten regions has a flaw in that near the end of the 7 years in Daniel 11:40-46, the kings of the south, north, and east attack the beast - which would mean the beast's kingdom fighting against itself. And it would not meet the requirements of the fourth empire being the end times version of the Roman Empire.

The EU fits more the description, which would place the beast as the king of the west - who will at the end of the 7 years battle the other three quadrants of the world, i.e. north, south, east.

IMHO when we think of world empires we have to go back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel where our Father first scattered the nations. The world has been trying to come back together as one since that time.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

IMHO when we think of world empires we have to go back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel where our Father first scattered the nations. The world has been trying to come back together as one since that time.

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Overall, the world will be acting like that the last 42 months. But as I understand, within that overall state of the world, there will be four major power blocks, the west, north, south, east ..... with the west being the dominant power block.

But I don't disagree with what you are saying overall, because for one thing, imo, the beast will be possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod himself, who will drive him to rebel against God and unifying the world to do so.

Over at the Jews' counter(Christian)missionary site, MessiahTruth.com, I ask the Rabbi's over there what in Judaism's view was the meaning of the "let's make a name for ourselves" in the tower of babel verses. The response coming from the rabbi was that the people building the tower desired to make war against God.

Douggg said:

The world divided into ten regions has a flaw in that near the end of the 7 years in Daniel 11:40-46, the kings of the south, north, and east attack the beast - which would mean the beast's kingdom fighting against itself. And it would not meet the requirements of the fourth empire being the end times version of the Roman Empire.

The EU fits more the description, which would place the beast as the king of the west - who will at the end of the 7 years battle the other three quadrants of the world, i.e. north, south, east.

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Daniel 11 up to verse 21 seems to be ancient history.
From verse 22-43, we see things that haven't happened yet and your theory Dougg, doesn't work because it is the king of the North that invades the Holy Land and desecrates the Temple.
This powerful leader, the one we call the Anti-Christ will rise to power against all expectations... Daniel 11:23-24
He will have to fight to overcome resistance to his dictatorial rule, but he will beat them. Daniel 11:40-43
There will be agreement at the end, because they all agree to attack Jerusalem and gather at Armageddon. Revelation 16:12-16 Jesus will destroy them all at His Return. Revelation 19:19-21

Handmaid for Jesus said:

IMHO when we think of world empires we have to go back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel where our Father first scattered the nations. The world has been trying to come back together as one since that time.

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Exactly !

There are three Babylons in the Bible.

Tower of Babel = city

Ancient Babylonian empire = regional

Mystery Babylon = global


The repeated pattern is that in all three the people are one.

This is why ancient Babylon moved people around its vast empire...
moving people from their ancient homelands and moving different
people in... just like Mystery Babylon, the NWO, does today... it is
a way of destroying ancient heritages... destroying loyalty to ethnos,
religion, culture, land, etc... to make diverse people "one" = Babylonians.

When God's anointed king, Cyrus, conquered Babylon... he returned
Babylon's captives back to their native lands and restored national heritages.

This is the history behind Jeremiah 51:9

" We would have healed Babylon, but she was not healed.
Forsake her, and let us go each to his own country,
for her judgment has reached up to heaven
and has been lifted up even to the skies. "

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AlasBabylon said:

Exactly !

There are three Babylons in the Bible.

Tower of Babel = city

Ancient Babylonian empire = regional

Mystery Babylon = global


The repeated pattern is that in all three the people are one.

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Hmmm? I never really put it together quite like that before. But this makes some sense to me. I had wondered what our Father was talking about in these passages.

Ecc. 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

It is circular like, the way you posted it,city first, regional next ,then global, but it is the same. It looks a little different, but it is the same thing. Very interesting.

AlasBabylon said:

This is why ancient Babylon moved people around its vast empire...
moving people from their ancient homelands and moving different
people in... just like Mystery Babylon, the NWO, does today... it is
a way of destroying ancient heritages... destroying loyalty to ethnos,
religion, culture, land, etc... to make diverse people "one" = Babylonians.

When God's anointed king, Cyrus, conquered Babylon... he returned
Babylon's captives back to their native lands and restored national heritages.

This is the history behind Jeremiah 51:9

" We would have healed Babylon, but she was not healed.
Forsake her, and let us go each to his own country,
for her judgment has reached up to heaven
and has been lifted up even to the skies. "

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OK, OK! Yes! That makes sense to me too. Rome is the only ancient empire that did not uproot as other empires did.All of the others hauled off and displaced the inhabitants, uprooting their culture and heritage. And we do see that happening today in the Middle East.

Douggg said:

Overall, the world will be acting like that the last 42 months. But as I understand, within that overall state of the world, there will be four major power blocks, the west, north, south, east ..... with the west being the dominant power block.

But I don't disagree with what you are saying overall, because for one thing, imo, the beast will be possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod himself, who will drive him to rebel against God and unifying the world to do so.

Over at the Jews' counter(Christian)missionary site, MessiahTruth.com, I ask the Rabbi's over there what in Judaism's view was the meaning of the "let's make a name for ourselves" in the tower of babel verses. The response coming from the rabbi was that the people building the tower desired to make war against God.

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Thanks! I can see this too. But we have no clear picture from the Bible what the culture of Babel looked like except for the tower. And God thought that their plans were capable of being successful. So when look at the world today, do we see something similar coming into play? Are the dots connecting.

keras said:

Daniel 11 up to verse 21 seems to be ancient history.

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I don't disagree, but I would extend the historic verses to Daniel 11:36, and the introduction of the willful king who thinks he is greater than every god - which indicates the person is in the beast stage (the last 42 months of the 7 years), no longer in the Antichrist king of Israel stage.

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

From verse 22-43, we see things that haven't happened yet and your theory Dougg, doesn't work because it is the king of the North that invades the Holy Land and desecrates the Temple.

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Well I am not reading it that way. I read it as the king of the south attacks the willful king - the beast. And upon seeing the king of the south attacking the beast, the King of the north reacts and attacks him from the north. The news out of the east troubles him - which is the kings of the east come to attack him, the beast.

The beast is the king of west. Which if not, in your scenario, the major power countries of the world will be left out. Which God says in Zechariah 14, he will draw all nations up against Jerusalem into battle.

In Revelation 16, the armies assemble at Armageddon not to fight against Jerusalem, albeit it is the same event as Zechariah 14, but to fight Jesus - in Revelation 19:19-21.

I put together events as the world will be in duress because of the food, water, and energy resources in short supply near the end of the seven years because of the judgments - and the beast will be funneling the dwindling assets to his western based block. That will force the other 3 blocks of the world to attack him.

That is what, imo, is going to draw those nations to attack the beast, who will be ruling from Jerusalem, and his western block army occupying most of the middle east..into the middle east, before the sign of son of man appears in heaven.

And then in Daniel 11;45 is when that sign of the son of man in appears - which will be Jesus before the throne of God.
Which will induce them to unite to make war on Jesus.

keras said:

Daniel 11 up to verse 21 seems to be ancient history.
From verse 22-43, we see things that haven't happened yet and your theory Dougg, doesn't work because it is the king of the North that invades the Holy Land and desecrates the Temple.
This powerful leader, the one we call the Anti-Christ will rise to power against all expectations... Daniel 11:23-24
He will have to fight to overcome resistance to his dictatorial rule, but he will beat them. Daniel 11:40-43
There will be agreement at the end, because they all agree to attack Jerusalem and gather at Armageddon. Revelation 16:12-16 Jesus will destroy them all at His Return. Revelation 19:19-21

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Yeah, I was thinking that the West is pretty much absent from the events in Ezekiel and though Rome is prevalent in Daniel's statue, by the time we see the feet, everything is all mixed up.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Thanks! I can see this too. But we have no clear picture from the Bible what the culture of Babel looked like except for the tower. And God thought that their plans were capable of being successful. So when look at the world today, do we see something similar coming into play? Are the dots connecting.

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Today, billionaire NWO globalists like Soros seek to destroy all national borders merge all races, cultures and religions to make the world one Babylonian melting-pot.

As you say... modern Babylonians have almost succeeded... which is why I believe this is the end of the age and divine liberation is near.

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Handmaid for Jesus said:

Yeah, I was thinking that the West is pretty much absent from the events in Ezekiel and though Rome is prevalent in Daniel's statue, by the time we see the feet, everything is all mixed up.

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As we type, Gog is manipulating his muslim horde to invade and occupy Christian Europe and USA.
This fits into Mystery Babylon's plan to destroy all national borders to create a mixed melting-pot.

In Ezekiel 38:11 [KJV] Gog goes up to the land of unwalled villages... which is quite symbolic of the
muslim hordes' main target, Germany, whose infamous wall separating western and communist Germany
was finally torn-down Nov 9. 1989.



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