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Here we go again. If the new nation of Beulah isn't a part of the one world government, then it is NOT a one world government. WHY is this SO hard to understand?
Would you prefer that the political entity that will be formed soon after the world is devastated by the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, be called the 99% World Government?
As BaB says: you seem to be in denial of what the Bible prophets actually said.
 
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I think it's pretty clear in these passages. Rather than use the word "one world government" the bible describes what it will look like, which leads one to see the OWG. When it says all people will be told to worship the beast and that no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast it's clear that he will have,power over the whole world. It would be,very difficult to have the kind of power described without a OWG.

The bible isn't specific when it comes to the daily details of this government or exactly how it will function on a day to day basis. That is not really important. What is important is that God wants,us to recognize it when it happens. And he has given us enough detail so we can see it and be prepared.

And just so you know this thread is a great example of how and times prophecy isn't crystal clear. If it were we wouldn't be having this discussion. My professor in college said, prophecy is rarely understood until after it occurs. And he is correct. Prophecy is one thing that is not clear until after it happens.

Take a look at the,prophecies surrounding the,messiah. Many,of the Jews had it wrong, yet they studied them. We will see one day who is right and who is wrong. And it matters not at this point as long as we are prepared for Jesus' coming. Until then it makes for an interesting discussion.

Actually this is incorrect as I've heard this before and in the past, it has only proven to be nothing more than just merely hot air with no scriptural support. The bible is very much specific when it describes the antichrist's reign and his confederacy. Some people need to read the bible more and watch youtube videos less. The bible tells us what the a/c's confederacy looks like. No need to accept people's misinterpretation of the bible.

Revelation 13:8 tells us only those who's name is not written in the book of life will follow the beast. It's not the whole world. Only those who takes the mark of the beast can buy or sell if they choose to follow the beast. Those who wants to follow the beast will not be able to buy or sell without taking the mark. Any country that opposes the beast does not need to take the mark of the beast in order to bull and sell within their own country. When the antichrist comes into power by the middle of the tribulation, he will be reveal to everyone. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. Do you know how many countries will oppose the a/c once he's revealed as the devil in the flesh?

Did you catch that in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4? The world will know this man is the antichrist, the devil in the flesh. What Christian nations on earth will abundant God to follow satan? Would you give up your soul for all eternity just to follow the devil for 3.5 years on earth? Do you know how many people will actually follow the beast during the 2nd half of the tribulation? They're mostly radical muslims such as ISIS followers because God will give them a strong delusion that they will not come to know God (Yahweh) but to follow the beast. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11. People would have to be literally insane to follow the devil into hell and then the lake of fire for all eternity if they knew their name would be blotted out from the book of life. Revelation 13:8

Now do you think God would put blinders on the eyes of everyone in the world during the tribulation that we all end up at risk of having our names blotted out from the book of life just to form a one world government?

And you're expecting a one world government, a global entity controlled by the beast? Do you really think the entire world would follow the devil for 42 months during the great tribulation?

Even if you can find a country where it's government would be incline to follow the beast, there would first be anarchy in that country, than a civil war before a country would literally follow satan over God. During the tribulation, so many non believers will begin to believe in the bible. It won't just be Christians who will oppose the a/c, many non Christians will oppose the devil too. Do you know why during the entire second half of the tribulation the a/c is at war? It's because most of the world will be against him. He will be victorious against those who opposes him but it's only for 42 months. It's given throughout the old testament, the a/c will constantly be at war fighting. How can there be a one world government if he's constantly at war?

Jesus told us in Matthew 24:22 unless those days were shorten, no flesh would survive the great tribulation. Do you understand what Jesus just told us? There will be at least two opposing forces against each other during the tribulation. It will come down to a nuclear showdown and no one will win unless Christ returns to destroy one side, the a/c and his army, and stop the war. That means the a/c at the end before Christ returns will be fighting against a force (possibly a coalition of countries of the most powerful nations on earth: Ezekiel 28:7, Ezekiel 30:11, Ezekiel 31:12, Ezekiel 32:12) against the a/c who would not take the mark of the beast nor follow him.

Guess who are currently the 3 most powerful Christian nations on earth right now? USA, Russia and China! These are all Christian nations. They're not Islamic nations. Before a nuclear showdown with the strongest countries of the world, the a/c will conquer a bunch of smaller countries in the Middle East that doesn't have nuclear capability. Know why? Because Iran will side with the a/c during the tribulation. How do you think he is given authority to win wars? But once he's conquered most of the Middle East and attempts to expand into Europe, Asia or America, he'll have nuclear weapons waiting for him. This is when Christ comes in, to defeat the beast and end the war before a global nuclear annihilation: Matthew 24:22, at Armageddon.

This is what happens when people try to learn prophecy from watching youtube videos, instead of biblical knowledge, they get Walter Cronkite. This is the kind of speculative thinking Christ warned us about the signs of the end times when people begin making claims as "pretty clear" knowing and professing of a false one world government, a false a/c, a false mystery babylon, a false mark of the beast, etc. Speculative theories running rampant.

The only one world government I see coming in the future is the one Christ will reign over during the millennium as He's given 1000 years to put all power and authority at His feet. 1 Corinthians 15:27. I just can't see the a/c doing that in 42 months.






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Would you believe them if they told you in their own words that Global Government is their goal?

Look at the lady at the very end of the videoclip, who gives her approval to the effort.
She is now running for the highest office in the land...


So what? Hillary can support global government all she likes. Even if she's elected, she has no hope of bringing it about, so, meh.
 
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The comments so far have proven this statement to be correct.

Some may even be deceived into believing that a Global Government is not possible, especially when they see the political candidate they are fond of endorsing the effort.
They cannot accept this possibility as the truth, even when they see it with their own eyes and hear it with their own ears.

They are in the river in Egypt so deep that they cannot see clearly, because of the depth of the deception and the depth of their pride.



The name of that river is... Denial...

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A global government made by man will NOT happen.
A global government made by Jesus Christ WILL happen after His return to end the Tribulation - and WWIII.
 
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A global government made by man will NOT happen.
A definitive statement like that directly contradicts Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:8, and for 3.5 years a OWG led by a man, WILL control the whole world. Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2
 
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Actually this is incorrect as I've heard this before and in the past, it has only proven to be nothing more than just merely hot air with no scriptural support. The bible is very much specific when it describes the antichrist's reign and his confederacy. Some people need to read the bible more and watch youtube videos less. The bible tells us what the a/c's confederacy looks like. No need to accept people's misinterpretation of the bible.

Revelation 13:8 tells us only those who's name is not written in the book of life will follow the beast. It's not the whole world. Only those who takes the mark of the beast can buy or sell if they choose to follow the beast. Those who wants to follow the beast will not be able to buy or sell without taking the mark. Any country that opposes the beast does not need to take the mark of the beast in order to bull and sell within their own country. When the antichrist comes into power by the middle of the tribulation, he will be reveal to everyone. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. Do you know how many countries will oppose the a/c once he's revealed as the devil in the flesh?

Did you catch that in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4? The world will know this man is the antichrist, the devil in the flesh. What Christian nations on earth will abundant God to follow satan? Would you give up your soul for all eternity just to follow the devil for 3.5 years on earth? Do you know how many people will actually follow the beast during the 2nd half of the tribulation? They're mostly radical muslims such as ISIS followers because God will give them a strong delusion that they will not come to know God (Yahweh) but to follow the beast. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11. People would have to be literally insane to follow the devil into hell and then the lake of fire for all eternity if they knew their name would be blotted out from the book of life. Revelation 13:8

Now do you think God would put blinders on the eyes of everyone in the world during the tribulation that we all end up at risk of having our names blotted out from the book of life just to form a one world government?

And you're expecting a one world government, a global entity controlled by the beast? Do you really think the entire world would follow the devil for 42 months during the great tribulation?

Even if you can find a country where it's government would be incline to follow the beast, there would first be anarchy in that country, than a civil war before a country would literally follow satan over God. During the tribulation, so many non believers will begin to believe in the bible. It won't just be Christians who will oppose the a/c, many non Christians will oppose the devil too. Do you know why during the entire second half of the tribulation the a/c is at war? It's because most of the world will be against him. He will be victorious against those who opposes him but it's only for 42 months. It's given throughout the old testament, the a/c will constantly be at war fighting. How can there be a one world government if he's constantly at war?

Jesus told us in Matthew 24:22 unless those days were shorten, no flesh would survive the great tribulation. Do you understand what Jesus just told us? There will be at least two opposing forces against each other during the tribulation. It will come down to a nuclear showdown and no one will win unless Christ returns to destroy one side, the a/c and his army, and stop the war. That means the a/c at the end before Christ returns will be fighting against a force (possibly a coalition of countries of the most powerful nations on earth: Ezekiel 28:7, Ezekiel 30:11, Ezekiel 31:12, Ezekiel 32:12) against the a/c who would not take the mark of the beast nor follow him.

Guess who are currently the 3 most powerful Christian nations on earth right now? USA, Russia and China! These are all Christian nations. They're not Islamic nations. Before a nuclear showdown with the strongest countries of the world, the a/c will conquer a bunch of smaller countries in the Middle East that doesn't have nuclear capability. Know why? Because Iran will side with the a/c during the tribulation. How do you think he is given authority to win wars? But once he's conquered most of the Middle East and attempts to expand into Europe, Asia or America, he'll have nuclear weapons waiting for him. This is when Christ comes in, to defeat the beast and end the war before a global nuclear annihilation: Matthew 24:22, at Armageddon.

This is what happens when people try to learn prophecy from watching youtube videos, instead of biblical knowledge, they get Walter Cronkite. This is the kind of speculative thinking Christ warned us about the signs of the end times when people begin making claims as "pretty clear" knowing and professing of a false one world government, a false a/c, a false mystery babylon, a false mark of the beast, etc. Speculative theories running rampant.

The only one world government I see coming in the future is the one Christ will reign over during the millennium as He's given 1000 years to put all power and authority at His feet. 1 Corinthians 15:27. I just can't see the a/c doing that in 42 months.






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Woah slow down there hoss! I think you are mistaking what people are saying. Its an interpretation of OWG. Revelation 13:7-9says the beast makes war on the saints and conquers them. It then goes on to say that authority was given to the beast over "every tribe, people, lounge and nation and all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast" Everyone except those whose names are written in the book of life.

Revelation 13:16-18 says that all people will be forced to take a mark in order to buy and sell.

All this and more leads us to believe that this is an indicator of a OWG. It's hard to believe that all the stuff that goes on here could be accomplished without such. An OWG could look like this. The beast is in control and yet leaves countries to govern themselves in the day to day things as long as they follow his rules. That's a OWG to me.
 
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Woah slow down there hoss! I think you are mistaking what people are saying. Its an interpretation of OWG. Revelation 13:7-9says the beast makes war on the saints and conquers them. It then goes on to say that authority was given to the beast over "every tribe, people, lounge and nation and all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast" Everyone except those whose names are written in the book of life.

Let's go over this again! It said those whom the beast overcomes are the ones who's name is not written in the book of life. Revelation 13:8

Do you know what it means? It's only those who will be deceived into thinking he's the messiah that vows to worship and follow him are the ones he overcomes. Revelation 13:7-9 states everyone in the world who choose to follow the beast are the ones who are deceived and their name not written in the book of life. This does NOT imply everyone in the world. This is a huge difference!

Revelation 13:7-9 KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

It then goes on to say that authority was given to the beast over "every tribe, people, lounge and nation and all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast"

Do you understand what John meant by authority? The word authority has more than one meaning as it doesn't always mean one with absolute sovereignty. John, Paul, Daniel and even Jesus: Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22 describes the authority of the beast as one having the ability to speak and perform great deception, not as someone advocating a totalitarian system of government.

When satan gets kicked out of heaven and comes to earth and gives his power to the a/c: Revelation 13:3-7. You do know satan is the great deceiver right? This is the authority the a/c inherits from satan. We don't fight the devil with flesh and blood, we fight him in our mind as he comes to deceive. Read Revelation 13:5 carefully, it's one sentence as John revealed what this authority is, it's the ability to speak great deception. Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 reveals the same thing, with "all power" from satan to deceive.

Revelation 13:5 NKJV
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 NKJV
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Daniel 8:23-25 GNT
23 “When the end of those kingdoms is near and they have become so wicked that they must be punished, there will be a stubborn, vicious, and deceitful king. 24 He will grow strong—but not by his own power. He will cause terrible destruction and be successful in everything he does. He will bring destruction on powerful men and on God's own people. 25 Because he is cunning, he will succeed in his deceitful ways. He will be proud of himself and destroy many people without warning. He will even defy the greatest King of all, but he will be destroyed without the use of any human power.


We see this same authority is also given to the false prophet: Revelation 13:11-14. It's the same power satan has upon the world since the garden of eden, the ability to greatly deceive others. Both the a/c and the false prophet are given this authority/power to fool anyone in the world to believe in a false messiah: the a/c. Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36, 2 Thessalonians 2:4,

Revelation 13:11-14 NKJV
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.

Do you understand now? It's not authority or power as someone advocating a totalitarian system of government.

Revelation 13:16-18 says that all people will be forced to take a mark in order to buy and sell.

You're not reading what it actually said or at least not understanding what the bible is telling us. It doesn't say all people implying the entire world will take the mark. It's only those who are deceived into believing the beast by all the false signs, miracles and wonders being performed. They are the one who will have to take the mark in order to follow the beast thinking he's their messiah. Paul already told us, God will send a strong delusion upon those already condemned to believe in the deception: 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Again! It's not the whole world. It's everyone in the world that will be deceive into following the beast, who must take the mark in order to follow him thinking he's their messiah.

Jesus also warned us of false christs and false prophets who will perform greats miracles and wonders that can even deceive the elects: Matthew 24:24. And not to be fool go searching for Him in the desert or the temple: Matthew 24:26, were the beast and the false prophet will be. Because when He does come, He'll be coming in the clouds from east to west: Matthew 24:27, and every eye will see Him: Revelation 1:7 because He will light up the sky with the brightness of His coming that will be seven times brighter than the sun: Isaiah 30:26-27, Acts 26:13-14 to destroy the beast: 2 Thessalonians 2:8 When the real Jesus comes, He'll leave no doubt and everyone will see Him.

Revelation 13:13-14 KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


An OWG could look like this. The beast is in control and yet leaves countries to govern themselves in the day to day things as long as they follow his rules. That's a OWG to me.

That to you is a OWG but that's not the confederacy of the beast mentioned in the bible. Read the prophecies of the old testament, especially the book of Daniel. Once given the crown: Revelation 6:2, the beast is constantly at war seeking to conquer throughout the middle east during the entire second half. This is not an indication of a one world government. You can't have a OWG without peace on a global scale.

Daniel 8:23-25 GNT
23 “When the end of those kingdoms is near and they have become so wicked that they must be punished, there will be a stubborn, vicious, and deceitful king. 24 He will grow strong—but not by his own power. He will cause terrible destruction and be successful in everything he does. He will bring destruction on powerful men and on God's own people. 25 Because he is cunning, he will succeed in his deceitful ways. He will be proud of himself and destroy many people without warning. He will even defy the greatest King of all, but he will be destroyed without the use of any human power.

Find me just one scripture in the entire bible that reveals the a/c at peace and not at war anytime during the second half of the tribulation. It's not there as the entire middle east will be ravished in a nuclear war by the second half. Countries will be destroy and become desolate!










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To me there are some key things you are missing here. I whole heartedly agree that those who's names are written will,not be deceived. We have no disagreement there.

However, everyone else who fails to accept Jesus will be. The bible states the beast is given authority to do things and he is also given authority "over" the world. He has the power to deceive and has the power to require everyone to receive a mark and people are required by that authority to also worship the beast. In order to require people to do that you have to be able to have authority "over" them and the power to enforce your will upon them. That typically comes from governmental power. That's why the interpretation of a OWG. He causes all tongues, people's and nations, which pretty much covers everyone. All languages, all groups of people and all Nations (which refers to people with boundries which would indicate governments). So yes everyone who is not a believer will fall for his deceptions, Will worship him and Will receive his mark. That is authority over all the world, which screems governmental.

The other passage in Revelation speaks of the world saying "who can stand against him?" Indicating that no one can. His power is so great that no one can stand against him. No government, no people. No nation will be able to stand against the beast. He will be in control until Jesus comes and makes war against him and casts him down to set up his kingdom rule.
 
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The other passage in Revelation speaks of the world saying "who can stand against him?"

You're doing the same thing here with Revelation 13:4 as you've done the last two days with Revelation 13:8, taking a certain few words from that verse and injecting your own conclusion of what John wrote.

In Revelation 13:8, you told us the whole world worships the beast but the fact is, John said it's those who dwells on the earth who's name is not written in the book of life. That makes a huge difference!

Revelation 13:8 KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Here you do the same things with Revelation 13:4. It does not say "the world saying who can stand against him?"

In Revelation 13:4, it said those who worship the beast are the ones who say "who is able to make war with him." It does not say the world, it's only those who worship the beast. That's a huge difference!

Revelation 13:4 (KJV) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Do you know what John is telling us in Rev 13:4? Those who decided to follow the beast are merely praising him. It's like kissing up to your boss for a pay raise: Daniel 11:24. His followers are being paid from everything they conquer and plunder.

Daniel 11:24 (GNT) He will invade a wealthy province without warning and will do things that none of his ancestors ever did. Then he will divide among his followers the goods and property he has captured in war. He will make plans to attack fortresses, but his time will soon run out.

If he's not paying you, you can tell the beast to kiss off, instead of praising him for more loot.


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The other passage in Revelation speaks of the world saying "who can stand against him?" Indicating that no one can. His power is so great that no one can stand against him. No government, no people. No nation will be able to stand against the beast. He will be in control until Jesus comes and makes war against him and casts him down to set up his kingdom rule.

I don't think so charlie. Seems like you have your story of the beast that does not lines up with that of the bible. The bible numerously states many people and many countries will stand against him.

Here we see in the early part of his reign in Daniel 11:29-32, he's already being confronted with opposition.

Daniel 11:29-32 NKJV
29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter. 30 For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.

“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.

Here we see in the latter part of his reign in Revelation 16:12-14 before the battle of Armageddon. Here he has to go into war against the kings of the earth and of the whole world.

Revelation 16:12-14 KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Explain this! How in the world do you get a one world government if you have to go to war against the whole world?

Let me just ask this again. How in the world do you get a one world govt if he has to go to war against the whole world near the end of his reign?

Answer this please. Otherwise don't bother to continue.


However, everyone else who fails to accept Jesus will be. The bible states the beast is given authority to do things and he is also given authority "over" the world. He has the power to deceive and has the power to require everyone to receive a mark and people are required by that authority to also worship the beast. In order to require people to do that you have to be able to have authority "over" them and the power to enforce your will upon them. That typically comes from governmental power. That's why the interpretation of a OWG. He causes all tongues, people's and nations, which pretty much covers everyone. All languages, all groups of people and all Nations (which refers to people with boundries which would indicate governments). So yes everyone who is not a believer will fall for his deceptions, Will worship him and Will receive his mark. That is authority over all the world, which screems governmental.

Apparently you're just reading into what the translations are saying and not what was written in the original greek. It's not all nations as in every country on earth. A little homework can go a long way. I highly suggest you do some research as there are no contradictions in the bible, only mistranslations.










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You are being very arrogant and condescending in you responses. I do not find your tone to be with grace my friend. I enjoy a good back and forth,over scripture. But we need to not be condescending in our reponses.

Yes, I did say the whole world. It was my error in believing that a caveat was understood that believers are not included. Just to let you know that whenever I refer to the whole world I am referring to unbelievers and not believers. I just felt it was understood that believers would not follow the anti-christ.

Rev 13:4 & 8 state clearly that all ( Greek pantes meaning all or the whole) world will worship the beast. Every people, tongue, tribe and nation will worship (prosekunasin) the beast. This is the same word that is used for worshipping God. So it's not just saying nice things to kiss up. Again to clarify I AM not including believers because the Bible clearly excludes them from every tongue, people, tribe and nation.

Rev 13:7 states the beast was given authority OVER EVERY people, tribe, tongue and nation. Every again refers to (pasan) which means all or every which is pretty clear. Again believers are not included.

Rev 13:15-17 speaks again of the authority of the beast over all the world. Now I do agree that there will be a process in which the beast takes control. There are those that do not worship the beast and they are killed for it. But eventually the beast gains control. The words used are causes and makes which is indicative of force. But eventually in this process the beast deceives everyone and God causes everyone to believe the deception.

I see Rev 16:12-14 differently. I don't see them gathering to make war against the beast but with the beast. The demonic spirits go to the kings and assemble them for battle, but not against the beast. The spirits come from the Dragon false prophet and the beast. Its like he is summoning them.

Rev 17:8-14 Talk about the kings of the world. Some had fallen but ten are gathered with the beast to make war on the lamb as "one mind".

Involved in all of this is the great harlot, the beast and the kings destroy the bark of and the kings "giving over their royal power to the beast."

All this points to OWG run by the beast.
 
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You are being very arrogant and condescending in you responses. I do not find your tone to be with grace my friend. I enjoy a good back and forth,over scripture. But we need to not be condescending in our reponses.

Yes, I did say the whole world. It was my error in believing that a caveat was understood that believers are not included. Just to let you know that whenever I refer to the whole world I am referring to unbelievers and not believers. I just felt it was understood that believers would not follow the anti-christ.

Rev 13:4 & 8 state clearly that all ( Greek pantes meaning all or the whole) world will worship the beast. Every people, tongue, tribe and nation will worship (prosekunasin) the beast. This is the same word that is used for worshipping God. So it's not just saying nice things to kiss up. Again to clarify I AM not including believers because the Bible clearly excludes them from every tongue, people, tribe and nation.

That's because you're being cretinous going back and forth over scripture. You can't change God's plan already written in the bible by being tenacious. You're suppose to conform your thinking to God, not the other way around. Again, Revelation 13:4-8 is only addressing those who's name is not written in the book of life.

Revelation 13:7-8 NKJV
7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

If you're not including believers in this list, than that means 1/3 of the worlds population (Christianity) is not subject to "Every people, tongue, tribe and nation will worship (prosekunasin) the beast."

If 1/3 of the world does not follow the beast, that's not a OWG.

Rev 13:15-17 speaks again of the authority of the beast over all the world. Now I do agree that there will be a process in which the beast takes control. There are those that do not worship the beast and they are killed for it. But eventually the beast gains control. The words used are causes and makes which is indicative of force. But eventually in this process the beast deceives everyone and God causes everyone to believe the deception.

Here you're doing this again, cherry picking words, verses or scriptures out of context. Revelation 13:15-17 is not about the beast. This is a scripture on the false prophet. The false prophet exercises all the authority of the first beast: to deceive everyone with great signs and miracles. Revelation 13:13.

Revelation 13:11-17 NKJV
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

And you can't cause or force anyone to take the mark if they refuse to worship the beast or they're not in the presence of the beast to take the mark. You have to literally go to there in order to receive the mark.

Jesus warned us not to be deceive. People will say Jesus is in the desert, Jesus is in the temple, but do not go there looking for Him during the tribulation. Matthew 24:24-26.

He told us when He does come, He'll be coming with clouds from the east traveling west: Matthew 24:27 and all eyes will see Him: Revelation 1:7.

He'll be bringing massive thunderstorms (the kind that can rain 100 lb hail: Rev 16:21) that causes flooding: Daniel 9:26 to put out all the intense firestorm ravishing Jerusalem: Ezekiel 22:18-22, Isaiah 64:10-11, Isaiah 29:6-7, Micah 1:3-5 from the nuclear war: Zechariah 14:12 to wash all the nuclear debris and residual (from east to west) into the Mediterranean sea: Matthew 24:27.

A nuclear war in Jerusalem involving the army of the a/c.

I see Rev 16:12-14 differently. I don't see them gathering to make war against the beast but with the beast. The demonic spirits go to the kings and assemble them for battle, but not against the beast. The spirits come from the Dragon false prophet and the beast. Its like he is summoning them.

You're just not getting it. What difference does it make if the a/c has to go to war with the rest of the world as oppose to going to war against the world? The fact is, he's still going to war on a global scale. You can't have a OWG if you have to go war involving the world. Duh!

Rev 17:8-14 Talk about the kings of the world. Some had fallen but ten are gathered with the beast to make war on the lamb as "one mind".

Involved in all of this is the great harlot, the beast and the kings destroy the bark of and the kings "giving over their royal power to the beast."

It's the harlot that reigns over the kings of the world, not the beast: Revelation 17:18. Duh!

You're kinda obtuse when trying to understand the things you read. The so called 10 kings are not real kings as they will receive no kingdom. They are only given authority for only ONE hour! How much of the world can you reign in ONE hour? How much can you conquer in ONE hour? How much OWG can you accomplish in ONE hour? Duh!

Revelation 17:12-13 NKJV
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

Do you know what they're doing? Here's a hint. He's trying to break the seven vaults in the seven mountains. I'll let you figure out what the mountains are. The 10 horns have security clearance and are giving the a/c the authorization to access the vaults. It's an exchange of security information during that one hour. Duh!

Daniel 11:24 (NLT) Without warning he will enter the richest areas of the land. Then he will distribute among his followers the plunder and wealth of the rich—something his predecessors had never done. He will plot the overthrow of strongholds, but this will last for only a short while.

In Revelation 17:16, here the beast and his band of pirates plunder and ransack the whole place just as they did in Jerusalem, Mystery Babylon and everywhere else they raid during the tribulation. Duh!

And he plunders Jerusalem at the middle of the tribulation for the same reason, the city and temple will become extremely wealthy during the first half of the tribulation.

Haggai 2:7-9 GNT
7 I will overthrow all the nations, and their treasures will be brought here, and the Temple will be filled with wealth. 8 All the silver and gold of the world is mine. 9 The new Temple will be more splendid than the old one, and there I will give my people prosperity and peace.” The Lord Almighty has spoken.

Ezekiel 38:11-12 NKJV
11 You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’—12 to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land.

In revelation 17:14, the 10 horns cannot share in the spoils of their victories unless they pledge their allegiance to join the beast who too will eventually fight Christ at the end. Duh!

And if you haven't figured it out, Mystery Babylon is an extremely wealthy city. The beast doesn't run a government, he'll be nothing more than a murderer, liar and a common thief.......much like what ISIS is currently doing in the middle east.

Rev 13:7 states the beast was given authority OVER EVERY people, tribe, tongue and nation. Every again refers to (pasan) which means all or every which is pretty clear. Again believers are not included.

It's not every country all over the world as you think. The original greek used the word ethnos, not nation. Meaning the multitude of ethnicity within the Middle east region.

Ethnos (in Greek: ἔθνος "nation") may refer to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnos

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on commonancestral, social, cultural or national experience.[1][2]Unlike most other social groups, ethnicity is primarily an inherited status. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage,ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language and/or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion,mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, andphysical appearance.

Ethnic groups, derived from the same historicalfounder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool. By way oflanguage shift, acculturation, adoption and religious conversion, it is possible for some individuals or groups to leave one ethnic group and become part of another (except for ethnic groups emphasizingracial purity as a key membership criterion).

Ethnicity is often used synonymously with ambiguous terms such as nation or people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

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3.New Testament Usage

In the investigation of the words and meanings involved in this question, I gained a new awareness of the use of the Greek word fulh (phule) in the New Testament. In the New Testament, the word eqnos (ethnos) becomes the primary word referring to ethnic groups, such as Acts 17:26, "God made from one source all nations [ethne] of men." The word phule is used in more specific references, similar to its usages in the Old Testament.

We find fulh (phule) in passages with phrases like "all tribes, tongues and nations." For example, Matthew 24:30 "all the tribes of the earth;" Revelation 14:6 "every nation and tribe and tongue and people."


http://strategyleader.org/peopledefinitions/nationpeopleshebgreek.html
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Strong's Number: 1484 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
eqnoß probably from (1486)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Ethnos 2:364,201
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
eth'-nos Noun Neuter
Definition
    1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
    1. a company, troop, swarm
    1. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
    1. the human family
    1. a tribe, nation, people group
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/ethnos.html

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Jeremiah already gave us the list of people who will follow and worship the beast. They're mostly muslims in the Middle East. It's not the entire world. You need to understand when these ancient prophecies were written and what they considered as the world during their time.

It's not a OWG! It's a Sectarian Confederacy!

Jeremiah 25:18-26 GNT
18 Jerusalem and all the towns of Judah, together with its kings and leaders, were made to drink from it, so that they would become a desert, a terrible and shocking sight, and so that people would use their name as a curse—as they still do.

19-26 Here is the list of all the others who had to drink from the cup:

the king of Egypt, his officials and leaders;
all the Egyptians and all the foreigners in Egypt;
all the kings of the land of Uz;
all the kings of the Philistine cities of Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and what remains of Ashdod;
all the people of Edom, Moab, and Ammon;
all the kings of Tyre and Sidon;
all the kings of the Mediterranean lands;
the cities of Dedan, Tema, and Buz;
all the people who cut their hair short;
all the kings of Arabia;
all the kings of the desert tribes;
all the kings of Zimri, Elam, and Media;
all the kings of the north, far and near, one after another.

Every nation on the face of the earth had to drink from it. Last of all, the king of Babylonia will drink from it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=jer 25:18-26&version=GNT

Again to clarify I AM not including believers because the Bible clearly excludes them from every tongue, people, tribe and nation.

All this points to OWG run by the beast.

Complete fallacy is what it is. You call it a one world government but you don't think believers will follow him. In case you forgot, Christianity makes up 1/3 of the world's population. You might want to change it to a 66.6% government to be more accurate.





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That's because you're being cretinous going back and forth over scripture. You can't change God's plan already written in the bible by being tenacious. You're suppose to conform your thinking to God, not the other way around. Again, Revelation 13:4-8 is only addressing those who's name is not written in the book of life.

"How can there be a post trib rapture when the elects are gathered from heaven? People go up in a rapture, they don't come down."

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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"How can there be a post trib rapture when the elects are gathered from heaven? People go up in a rapture, they don't come down."

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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Proverbs 30:33
For as the churning of milk produces butter, And wringing the nose produces blood, So the forcing of wrath produces strife.

It is the chapter happening now...


Irvin Baxter has been calling for a one world religion for 2 decades now. One day he'll get it right after Christ returns to set up His millennial reign with a real one world government and one world religion.

And until He puts all power and authority at His feet during the millennium, it's not finished!










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