Partial Preterist Only "En Route to Global Occupation" World Government

John S said:

Whether it is rude and condescending, it doesn't appear that you know what a one world government even is.

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It doesn't appear that you believe what the Bible tells us is truth.
That there will be a new nation in the Middle East, is clear from many prophesies. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Zechariah 10:8-10, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Hosea 2:14-23, Psalm 105:43-44, Psalm 37:29 and many more.

keras said:

It doesn't appear that you believe what the Bible tells us is truth.
That there will be a new nation in the Middle East, is clear from many prophesies. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Zechariah 10:8-10, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Hosea 2:14-23, Psalm 105:43-44, Psalm 37:29 and many more.

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A "new nation in the Middle East", by its very definition, is NOT a one world government.
It doesn't matter if you print 1000 Bible verses, you have no clue what a one world government is.

keras said:

Brian45, your belief that that this forthcoming OWG will be confined the extent of the old Roman empire, is an error, proved by how those who now promote such a concept, have divided the world into 10 regions, the whole earth

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I wonder If north Korea or Iran or Russia or China have agreed to this 10 regions , or is it just something that wealthy business men and politicians from the west would like to do?

Hazrus said:

Despite this, I don't see where in the Bible it states that we will need a one world government. Also, why is a one world government necessarily a bad thing???

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The one world government Extreme Futurist doctrine, (visa vis, Tim Le Hay's popular Left Behind series of books and movies featuring a generic global geopolitical dictatorship), was first touted by the now almost entirely forgotten television personality "Herbert W. Armstrong" of the "World Tomorrow Television Program", who claimed nearly forty years ago the European Union (E.U.) was going to conquer the world and establish a "one world government".

Compared to other eschatological beliefs, the whole "one world government" theory, is a comparatively recent belief established in modern times, (and as I pointed out in the previous post, is based on a completely erroneous assumption that since the Ancient Roman empire was a one world government, it naturally follows the "Resurrected" Roman Empire would also be a one world government as well). Of course, serious historians have always known, the Ancient Roman Empire was merely a "regional power" among many other independent empires, dynasties and kingdoms. Modern media, (television and motion pictures) have gone a long way towards perpetuating the popularity of the one world government "myth".

In the interim years, between Armstrong and Le Hay the paranoia shifted over to the UNITED NATIONS (visa vis, Hal Lindsey) who then became the "focus" of the myth. I remember the hysteria created back in the mid 90's when a local Mississippi radio station started broadcasting U.N. armored personnel carriers were being unloaded in Gulfport in preparation of a U.N. invasion of America. Since I only lived 80 miles away, I couldn't resist making the drive over to investigate. What I found was dozens of armored personnel carriers with U.N. markings contained in a fenced in area near the docks, awaiting shipment to Europe to be used in the U.N. effort against the fighting in Bosnia. The P.C.'s had been manufactured in the United States. LOL. Even after the Mississippi radio station was advised of the hoax, they continued to broadcast the story for several days afterwards. Mississippi is a highly fundamentalist/religious audience, and ratings are very important to advertisers.

I've always found this theory highly suspect, because the Revelation Prophecy and the corresponding prophecies of the Book of Daniel, only mention a Resurrected "Roman-like" power consisting of only "ten kingdoms",(Rev.17:12 and Dan.7:24). How anyone extrapolates these ten kingdoms into ten "world wide" global, or regional governments is quite frankly a mystery to me.

I don't buy the "whole world" rulership interpretation of Daniel 7:23. If you do some in depth Bible research, you'll find many instances where the phrase "the whole earth" only refers to some particular part of the earth, which does not constitute the ENTIRE planet, as in (Jeremiah 4:27,28) where the whole earth is left desolate, and yet it is not entirely consumed. In Genesis 11:1, the "whole earth" refers only to its' inhabited portion, or the geographical"region" or "locale" where the descendants of NOAH lived, not the ENTIRE planet. Later, the same terminology is used to describe the extant Ancient Roman Empire. This more restricted interpretation is shared by Barnes' Notes and Commentary, Jamieson-Fausset-Brown and Gill's Bible Commentaries. So it's pretty established among conservative Bible scholars.

In other instances, the "whole earth" refers to the part of the earth inhabited by the Church extant. Won't bother with all those listings. Neither the early Hebrews, nor the Greeks had much of a scientific grasp of the concept of the earth representing an entire planet. That concept came into being, long after the Old and the New Testaments were written.

So the idea the words, "whole earth" can only refer to the ENTIRE planet, is definitely a conclusion open to some argument and can be challenged Scripturally.

Understand. I'm not a Preterist. However, I do believe the prophecy of Revelation 17:12 and the corresponding prophecies of Daniel have already been fulfilled in recent historic times. If you know anything about these prophecies and the history of Eastern Europe and the Cold War era, it kind of just jumps out and glares at you. Ten kings who have received no kingdom, but exercise all the authority of kings. Dictators ? That's what the foot notes in my KJV Study Bible says !

In March 1947 the Iron Curtain fell across Eastern Europe. Doesn't Daniel mention something about Iron ? I'm pretty sure he does, doesn't he ?! The Soviet East Bloc of Eastern Europe consisted of nine Stalinist dictatorships (kingdoms) unrecognized by the West as legitimate governments. The Soviet Union (which includes the Baltic States that voluntarily became republics of the U.S.S.R. in 1941 and did not regain their independence until 1991), East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia. The tenth kingdom consisting of the RCC of Eastern Europe representing the Vatican State (whose authority incidentally was also never historically "recognized" by the Soviet Union). The RCC being the miry clay representing infirm spiritual beliefs (The Worship of the Virgin Mary), as defined in Psalm 40:2.

I don't have to list the corroborating verses in Daniel that describe the historical conflict that existed between these diametrically opposed ideologies during the Cold War era, do I ?! How the iron will be mingled together with the miry clay in the seed of man, but they will not cling to one another, even as iron is not mixed with clay (Daniel 2:43).

Even the symbolism of the five toes on the two feet is presented in the political structure of this End Time Latter Kingdom of Man. Five kingdoms were solidly entrenched in the Soviet East Bloc and remained so until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. The Soviet Union, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and the Roman Catholic Population of eastern Europe representing the Vatican State.

Five other kingdoms were "not so solidly entrenched" in the Soviet Bloc. East Germany reunited with West Germany before the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. Both Hungary and Czechoslovakia rebelled against the Soviet Union and were subdued by Warsaw Pact Forces. While Yugoslavia and Albania both withdrew from the Warsaw Pact.

Come on. This ain't "rocket science". It's in every set of encyclopedia in the entire world. They even teach it in every high school civic class in America, (and we're pretty stupid compared to other industrialized nations). So I'm sure it's civic and history curriculum all over Europe.

BABerean2 said:

Those in the video below do not seem to know it is a "myth"...

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The idea any organization like the United Nations which has five permanent members with individual veto powers over the other four permanent members could accomplish anything as grandiose as a global world takeover is patently ABSURD. Especially for an organization that only regularly maintains a total of military forces for Peace Keeping Missions equivalent to a motorized infantry rifle regiment, (Jane's Defense Weekly). What are they going to conquer the world with ?! A Charm Offensive ?!

Obviously there are people here that prefer to go by what they see in our past and present situation, instead of the quite different scenario that Bible prophecy says the world will be in after the Lord's Day of wrath.
Psalms 110:5-6 The Lord crushes kings on the Day of His wrath, when He judges the nations.
Habakkuk 3:12 ...in Your anger, You trample down the nations.
Isaiah 66:15 The Lord will judge with fire and many will be slain by Him....
Psalms 50:1-3 The Lord speaks and summons the nations, sending consuming fire and storms.
2 Peter 3:10 The Day of the Lord will come unexpectedly, the sky will dissipate and the earth will be enveloped in flames.
Isaiah 29:6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, earthquakes and devouring fire.
Isaiah 51:6 Look, the sky will disperse like smoke, the earth will become tattered and torn and the people will die like flies.
Jeremiah 25:33 Those whom the Lord has slain will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other.

There are many other prophesies telling of this forthcoming Day, that the Lord will send to correct a world, once again 'as in the days of Noah'. We have been warned; it will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, caused by a massive explosion of the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1
With millions dead and our modern infrastructure gone, a OWG will be a practical and logical solution to restore order. But the Lord will motivate His elect to move to and live in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Psalms 60:1-5

keras said:

But the Lord will motivate His elect to move to and live in all of the holy Land.

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I DON'T THINK THE HOLY LAND IS ANY PLACE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION, (Matthew 24:15-21). THE LAND BEHIND THE INVADING ARMIES OF THE ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO BE AN UTTER DESOLATION, (Joel 2:3). JERUSALEM WILL BE UTTERLY DESTROYED, EVERY WALL SHALL FALL DOWN, (THAT INCLUDES THE WAILING WALL), (Ezekiel 38:20). IN THE WHOLE LAND, TWO THIRDS SHALL BE CUT OFF AND DIE, (Zechariah 13:8). THATS OVER FIVE AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE, OUT OF A POPULATION OF EIGHT MILLION.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYWHERE I WANT TO BE DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

ANYTHING THAT SURVIVES THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND ALL THAT, WILL IN NO WAY, SHAPE. OR FORM EVEN REMOTELY RESEMBLE THE MODERN DAY STATE OF ISRAEL, AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE, IS LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD.

Well this is certainly proving to be an interesting thread as it has shown proof positively that BABerean2 learns more about prophecy from watching YouTube videos than from reading the bible.

@BAB2

On a serious note. How do you get a one world government of 10 nations in the near future when there's currently 196 countries in the world? http://www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm

*Does the other 186 nations all over the world just disappear at the beginning of the tribulation?

*Who reigns over the world, the harlot or the one world government? Revelation 17:18

*And why would this one world government attack and destroy Mystery Babylon in the second half of the tribulation if the world becomes a one world government? Revelation 17:16

The books of Daniel and Revelation does not reveal a one "WORLD" government. A more accurate term would be a sectarian confederacy. One needs to understand what the bible defines as the world when these ancient prophecies were written. You can attempt to make your case by copy and paste bible verses but it doesn't do any good if you can't explain nor understand what it means.

Please feel free to prove me wrong and show us a one world government in the bible. But please no YouTube videos!












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Psalm3704 said:

One needs to understand what the bible defines as the world when these ancient prophecies were written.

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Exactly, the same point I made earlier. Neither the early Hebrews nor the Greeks had any concept of the earth or the world as a planet. Both terms are used in the Bible in a "qualified" sense. In some cases, only referring to the "known" world at the time, or some part of the Earth, as it relates to a specific "culture or population", (even more restrictive). Even the term the "whole earth" is used in this "restrictive" manner in certain parts of the Scripture.

Therefore, it is probably an error in translation to interpret a phrase such as the "whole earth", or even all the earth "under the heavens" as being a global description. The Hebrews and the Greeks simply did not communicate in that modern context. Without using the ancient context, the translation becomes inaccurate (even misleading).

I'm always stunned by people who use definitions found in the Strong's Concordance to support their doctrinal beliefs. I bought my first Strong's Concordance back in 1989 and used it to look up hundreds of words over the years. So believe me, I'm more than familiar with it's limitations. Strong's is basically a reference book for locating certain words in the Bible by chapter and verse. It does a somewhat decent job of that, but not what you'd call a completely comprehensive one. The definitions found in a concordance are also short and abridged, and not usually accompanied by any scholarly commentary. So it's sort of like handing a loaded and cocked gun to a nine year old, if someone has no idea about its' dangers, when it's mistakenly taken as an "exhaustive" and "complete" treatment of a word or subject. That's why Bible Commentaries are printed, such as "John Gill's Exposition of the Bible".

Without commentary or context, you might as well be "guessing" as to the meaning of the way a word or phrase is being used, and unless you've already spent years studying the Hebrew and Greek languages, and pouring over every Bible commentary on the subject, you're probably guessing wrong.

BABerean2 said:

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.


Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.



Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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BAB2,

The guy in post#12 was asking you for scriptures on the One World Govt. Do you realize all these verses you posted are all about the beast, nothing to do with a OWG?

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Psalm3704 said:

Well this is certainly proving to be an interesting thread as it has shown proof positively that BABerean2 learns more about prophecy from watching YouTube videos than from reading the bible.

@BAB2

On a serious note. How do you get a one world government of 10 nations in the near future when there's currently 196 countries in the world? http://www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm

*Does the other 186 nations all over the world just disappear at the beginning of the tribulation?

*Who who reigns over the world, the harlot or the one world government? Revelation 17:18

*And why would this one world government attack and destroy Mystery Babylon in the second half of the tribulation if the world becomes a one world government? Revelation 17:16

The books of Daniel and Revelation does not reveal a one "WORLD" government. A more accurate term would be a sectarian confederacy. One needs to understand what the bible defines as the world when these ancient prophecies were written. You can attempt to make your case by copy and paste bible verses but it doesn't do any good if you can't explain nor understand what it means.

Please feel free to prove me wrong and show us a one world government in the bible. But please no YouTube videos!












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Even if you have 10 nations, consisting of 196 of the countries that exist today, that would STILL mean that this isn't a one world government.
That was also my question. Why would a one world government attack one of its own - and why would it need to make a peace treaty with someone?
The ONLY answer that I can come up with is that some people don't know what a one world government is.
I believe that the AC will bring about world peace but there would STILL be 196 countries in the worlds and NOT one.

Psalm3704 said:

BAB2,

The guy in post#12 was asking you for scriptures on the One World Govt. Do you realize all these verses you posted are all about the beast, nothing to do with a OWG?

Just thought you might like to know.











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I think it's pretty clear in these passages. Rather than use the word "one world government" the bible describes what it will look like, which leads one to see the OWG. When it says all people will be told to worship the beast and that no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast it's clear that he will have,power over the whole world. It would be,very difficult to have the kind of power described without a OWG.

The bible isn't specific when it comes to the daily details of this government or exactly how it will function on a day to day basis. That is not really important. What is important is that God wants,us to recognize it when it happens. And he has given us enough detail so we can see it and be prepared.

And just so you know this thread is a great example of how and times prophecy isn't crystal clear. If it were we wouldn't be having this discussion. My professor in college said, prophecy is rarely understood until after it occurs. And he is correct. Prophecy is one thing that is not clear until after it happens.

Take a look at the,prophecies surrounding the,messiah. Many,of the Jews had it wrong, yet they studied them. We will see one day who is right and who is wrong. And it matters not at this point as long as we are prepared for Jesus' coming. Until then it makes for an interesting discussion.

rjs330 said:

I think it's pretty clear in these passages. Rather than use the word "one world government" the bible describes what it will look like, which leads one to see the OWG. When it says all people will be told to worship the beast and that no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast it's clear that he will have,power over the whole world. It would be,very difficult to have the kind of power described without a OWG.

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Excellent, a sensible comment that shows the intent of what the prophets are telling us.

BABerean2 said:

Can you share with us how the antichrist will bring about world peace, without the use of force to bring about his plan?

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The Leader of this forthcoming OWG won't need to use force to establish his authority, as the world will be in a very confused state after the Lord's Day of wrath, of fires, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.

John S said:

That was also my question. Why would a one world government attack one of its own - and why would it need to make a peace treaty with someone?

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The new nation of Beulah won't be a member of the OWG. The Lord will protect and guard them. There is plenty of prophecy about this and how eventually their leaders will agree to a 7 year peace treaty with the OWG. But that will be a bad mistake. Isaiah 28:14-15

BABerean2 said:

Can you share with us how the antichrist will bring about world peace, without the use of force to bring about his plan?
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His amazing, Satanic abilities to solve ALL of the world's problems.
The deception that will be caused because FAR too many "Christians" won't believe that he is the AC because they will be saying - "So and so is not the AC because God PROMISED us that when he arrived, we would be gone.
Jesus did say that "MANY will be deceived".

keras said:

Excellent, a sensible comment that shows the intent of what the prophets are telling us.

The Leader of this forthcoming OWG won't need to use force to establish his authority, as the world will be in a very confused state after the Lord's Day of wrath, of fires, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.

The new nation of Beulah won't be a member of the OWG. The Lord will protect and guard them. There is plenty of prophecy about this and how eventually their leaders will agree to a 7 year peace treaty with the OWG. But that will be a bad mistake. Isaiah 28:14-15

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Here we go again. If the new nation of Beulah isn't a part of the one world government, then it is NOT a one world government. WHY is this SO hard to understand?