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I agree with you 100%.

Most people look for the obvious, but I think a lot of scripture refers to things that happen behind the scenes.

And it doesn't really matter what those things are. Just pick out some handy victim and start making up claims.

That's the part that is really reprehensible, as well as contrary to God's laws, if you ask me. But some people see nothing wrong with this, and if someone doesn't agree with them, why of course they are immediately going to be accused of being either stupid or
a co-conspirator. When did Christians start thinking that this is moral to do??
 
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And it doesn't really matter what those things are. Just pick out some handy victim and start making up claims.

That's the part that is really reprehensible, as well as contrary to God's laws, if you ask me. But some people see nothing wrong with this, and if someone doesn't agree with them, why of course they are immediately going to be accused of being either stupid or
a co-conspirator. When did Christians start thinking that this is moral to do??

Since Jesus said, "be wise as serpents." :thumbsup:
 
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And it doesn't really matter what those things are. Just pick out some handy victim and start making up claims.

That's the part that is really reprehensible, as well as contrary to God's laws, if you ask me. But some people see nothing wrong with this, and if someone doesn't agree with them, why of course they are immediately going to be accused of being either stupid or
a co-conspirator. When did Christians start thinking that this is moral to do??
Before tin-foil?
 
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Before tin-foil?

Actually, I was wondering about this the other day. Is it tin-foil or aluminum foil? Does one block alien/lizard people/demonic transmissions better than the other or is it just a matter of convenience which one is used?
 
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Catholic Encyclopedia is the best source for the history of Freemasonry that I have found online.

Early Masonic historians sought to establish the foundation of Freemasonry in antiquity, but reputable modern historians put no faith in these legends....

The organization of the three-degree Masonic system as we know it today was completed by 1725. ...

A Masonic lodge will initiate a Christian, Jew, Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu, or adherent of any other religion. Although each Anglo-American lodge will place a Holy Bible on its altar, an initiate may elect to swear his oaths on the Koran or the Vedas, or any scripture of his choice. Anderson's Constitution states that a Mason, "if he rightly understand the Art, he will never be a stupid Atheist or an irreligious Libertine." Thus English-speaking lodges will initiate an agnostic or freethinker but not an atheist. When the Grand Orient of France eliminated (Sept. 13, 1877) the requirements of belief in God and in the immortality of the soul, the United Grand Lodge of England and its affiliated grand lodges immediately severed fraternal relations. This schism in worldwide Freemasonry has not been healed. Typically the Masonic lodges in Latin countries have appealed to freethinkers and anticlericals while those in England, northern Europe, and America draw their membership largely from Protestant churches. ...

Condemnation of Freemasonry by Church and State. Twenty-one years after the organization of the Grand Lodge of England, Roman Catholics were forbidden to seek membership in any Masonic group. In the bull In Eminenti of April 28, 1738, Clement XII condemned Freemasonry on the grounds of its naturalism, demand for oaths, religious indifferentism, and the possible threat to Church and State. These remain the chief objections to the Masonic system today. Since 1738 seven other popes have specifically proscribed Freemasonry. The major papal documents are: Benedict XIV, Providas, May 18, 1751 Pius VII, Ecclesiam, Sept. 13, 1821 Leo XIII [XII], Quo graviora, March 13, 1825 Pius VIII, May 21, 1829 Gregory XVI, Mirari, Aug. 15, 1832 Pius IX, Qui pluribus, Nov. 9, 1846
Quibus quantisque malis, April 20, 1849
Quanta cura, Dec. 8, 1864
Multiplices inter, Sept. 25, 1865
Apostolicae Sedis, Oct. 12, 1869
Esti multa, Nov. 21, 1873 Leo XIII, Esti nos, Feb. 15, 1882
Humanum genus, April 20, 1884
Ab Apostolici, Oct. 15, 1890
Praeclara, June 20, 1894
Annum ingressi, March 18, 1902
As a consequence no Catholic may join a Masonic lodge or affiliated organization without incurring excommunication reserved simpliciter to the Holy See (CIC c.2335). This deprives him of the reception of the Sacraments, the spiritual treasures of the Church, Christian burial, and such rights as acting as a godfather in Baptism. Likewise a Mason who wishes to enter the Catholic Church must first sever all ties with the lodge.






Several Protestant states were the first to enact restrictive measures against the Masonic lodges. Holland banned the lodge in 1735; Sweden and Geneva, in 1738; Zurich, in 1740; and Berne, in 1745. Spain, Portugal, and Italy attempted to suppress Freemasonry after 1738. Bavaria followed in 1784; Austria, in 1795; Baden, in 1813; and Russia, in 1822. ln more recent years the various Nazi, fascist, and communist governments have attacked Freemasonry. Hitler and Mussolini confiscated lodge buildings and paraphernalia and disbanded the membership. However, the lodges revived to some extent after World War II. Communism considers Freemasonry a bourgeois organization and forbids its recognition. It is also outlawed in Spain, Portugal, Indonesia, and the United Arab Republic.
The Roman Catholic Church is not alone in denying its followers membership in a Masonic lodge. Many Protestant and Eastern Orthodox denominations have similar prohibitions for their communicants. In the U.S. the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, which have a combined membership of 3 million, and all other major Lutheran denominations warn against lodge affiliation, but not all enforce the ban. Among the other antilodge churches are the Christian Reformed Church, Church of the Brethren, Assemblies of God, Society of Friends (Quakers), Mennonites, Church of the Nazarene, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), United Brethren, Wesleyan and Free Methodist churches, and the Seventh-day Adventist Church. General Booth condemned it for the Salvation Army. The National Christian Association was formed in 1874 to coordinate Protestant opposition to secret societies. On a worldwide basis the majority of Christians belong to denominations that absolutely forbid membership in a Masonic lodge or similar secret society. It must be admitted, however, that many of these Protestant condemnations have never been enforced and are dead letters today.
Diffusion from 18th Century to the Present. Freemasonry had a wide expansion during the last 3 centuries.
England, Ireland, and Scotland. The original lodges of the Grand Lodge of England attracted few members until 1721. Thereafter some members of the Royal Society applied for initiation and added prestige to the organization. Many others enrolled who were weary of the religious dissension of the times and sought a basis for society in the naturalism and unsectarianism of the lodge. Apart from any religious considerations, secret societies became fashionable among the 18th-century aristocracy. By 1725 the number of lodges had risen to 63; and by 1733, to 126. Gradually Anglo-Saxon Masonry turned away from deism and incorporated elements of Biblical Christian orthodoxy. Toward the end of the 18th century lodge chaplains were appointed, and the support of members of the Protestant clergy was enlisted. A rival grand lodge in England was formed by Irish Masons in 1751. Those who gave their allegiance to the new grand lodge were then known as "Antients" or "York" Masons. The Antients won recognition from the Grand Lodge of Scotland and Ireland and gained influence in the American colonies. A reunion was effected in 1813 and the new authority was called the United Grand Lodge of England. It incorporated several of the ritualistic preferences of the Antients such as the royal arch degree. The reunion of Moderns and Antients also reestablished the unsectarian character of the Masonic lodges under the staunchly deist Duke of Sussex as grand master. Several Roman Catholics served as grand masters of the English lodge during the 18th century. The Catholic Duke of Norfolk became grand master in 1730. Another prominent Catholic Freemason was Viscount Montagu. Robert Edward, the ninth Lord Petre, who was considered the head of the Catholic community in England, became a grand master in 1772 and held that office for 5 years. The Marquess of Ripon resigned the grand mastership in 1874 when he joined the Catholic Church.
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Catholic Encyclopedia is the best source for the history of Freemasonry that I have found online.


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I found this part to be particularly interesting
Many Protestant and Eastern Orthodox denominations have similar prohibitions for their communicants. In the U.S. the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, which have a combined membership of 3 million, and all other major Lutheran denominations warn against lodge affiliation, but not all enforce the ban. Among the other antilodge churches are the Christian Reformed Church, Church of the Brethren, Assemblies of God, Society of Friends (Quakers), Mennonites, Church of the Nazarene, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), United Brethren, Wesleyan and Free Methodist churches, and the Seventh-day Adventist Church. General Booth condemned it for the Salvation Army. The National Christian Association was formed in 1874 to coordinate Protestant opposition to secret societies.
such a diversity of Christian denominations seem to think that Freemasonry is not a spiritually healthy past time for mature Christians to have
I personally know a few Baptist congregations that highly discourage membership with Masonic sects
but the nature of Baptist denominations is so split up it is hard to attribute anything to the entire denomination
 
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Question for you freemasons.

Is there a representation of a star that features prominently in your lodges and/or traditions?

No. However, there is the "Order of the Eastern Star." But that is an organization of relatives (and helpers) of Masons, and is not a Masonic lodge itself or part of the bigger history of Freemasonry.
 
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Relatives of masons? You mean like a sister organization? Related, but distinctly separate?

Related...I guess that's right. It is made up of women relatives who do bake sales or whatever to support their men. Masonry is an all-male fraternity, you know. It is not parallel to the Masonic lodge--a woman's version of it--if that is what you were wondering.
 
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Question for you freemasons.

Is there a representation of a star that features prominently in your lodges and/or traditions?

The following is from the Grand Lodge of BC.



One of the arguments used by anti-masons to support their claim that Freemasonry is satanic is to refer to the masonic use of the pentagram. The short answer to this accusation is that the pentagram is not mentioned in any masonic ritual or lecture and is not contained within the lessons or teachings of Freemasonry.
True in essence, this response will not satisfy anti-masons who can point to the many books about Freemasonry that include the pentagram, or at least the five-pointed star, in their iconography, and the writings of such spurious, irregular or psuedomasonic authors as Count Cagliostro, Éliphas Lévi and Aleister Crowley. Although the pentagram, as a geometric figure, is of interest to freemasons since it is also a representation of the Golden Ratio, its esoteric significance is only of historical interest.
It also isn't satanic. The claims of Lévi and Crowley that there is any esoteric significance to the relative position of the star points is demonstrably not based on any observable astronomical event nor on any published precedent.
Symbols mean what the users want them to mean—and meanings change. Although Venus is termed the bright morning star or Lucifer; and the pentagram is claimed by Lévi to represent the Baphomet; and the celestial motions of Venus sketch a pentagram in the sky; it does not follow that the pentagram represents Lucifer or that Lucifer equates with the Baphomet. Or that any of this has anything to do with Freemasonry.
 
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Really and truly, all the conspiracy nuts among us owe it to themselves to watch these videos, and the others featuring the same guy which were not mentioned. He says he was a Mason but then switched to that 90 degrees stuff--which is another organization, not Masonry, although he calls it Masonry. And don't omit to watch his videos in which he tells of also belonging to the Church of Satan, of being a vampire (but now come back from it somehow), of werewolves, of having coming face to face with many flying reptilian beings with glowing red eyes, and so much more. You'll love it...and you'll believe it...because he said it.
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Yes. He says he knows there are at least 97 degrees, but has also heard there are several hundred which he can't confirm.
This guy has been proven over and over and over again to be a complete fraud. Google him and read the history of his craziness.
 
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Hey, thanks for the history lesson.
I had no idea that Freemasonry had such a visible rap sheet. I never found out about that stuff, even though I've read a whole lot of conspiracy theory about them.
I bet maybe two in a thousand are aware of all that.
XD
 
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This guy has been proven over and over and over again to be a complete fraud. Google him and read the history of his craziness.
What's his name? My kindle isn't playing very many videos tonight.
I'll Google him, but I might not trust what I find.
 
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A 90th degree mason, whistleblower.

According to this guy, only approximately 1 in a 1000 masons realize that masonry is a satanic cult.



Weird, that guy looks almost exactly like Metropolitan Kallistos Ware.

Speaking of the Orthodox by the way, most jurisdictions discourage or prohibit Masonic affiliation. I am inclined to regard it as incompatible with the Orthodox faith. I personally regard it as an attempt to introduce a liturgy to compensate for the dryness and lack of mysticism in the overly rationalist, iconoclastic and sterile Protestant churches of the 18th century.

That said, I reject the assertions of some that Masons are plotting against the Orthodox, are responsible for the Mew Calendar, et cetera, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
 
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This guy has been proven over and over and over again to be a complete fraud. Google him and read the history of his craziness.
Proven to be a fraud? How exactly? I've read that he claims to have had sex with a demon and that he claims he used to be a vampire. Is that proof that he's a fraud?
 
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