The lie of eternal security refuted once and for all.

Marvin Knox said:

"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the men of old gained approval." Hebrews 11:1-2

If you are not sure of the things hoped for - you do not have biblical faith and are not approved of by God.

Those who doubt and do not believe that they have already been saved and will not come into condemnation again do not have biblical faith and are not approved of by God.

Those who teach against OSAS here in the forum do not have faith that we have been so saved already and are seated with Christ even now in glory and ruling with Him in His kingdom by faith. They lack faith in what Christ has accomplished already in all those who have exercised saving faith and believed the gospel.

They are not approved of by God.

If one has assurance (faith) that God has so accomplished these things on their behalf - some kind of works and fruit will of necessity follow because of the Holy Spirit working in them.

Because the faith of people vary somewhat - along with the depths of their particular habits from before being saved - it is often hard to say for sure that a professing Christian has works and fruit following.

For that reason we should not dogmatically proclaim that a person is not saved simply because we don't see as much fruit as we see in some other person.

What we proclaim to be a weed for sure may well be a stalk of wheat that has not fully matured.

Having said that - there is such a thing as false or merely professed faith. Not all who claim to believe actually have saving faith.

We should reprove, rebuke, and correct fellow those who claim to be believers that is commanded by God.

But in the end - it will be God who sorts us all out.

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faither said:

Nothing! Like an unconscious man? So you would be saying were saved out of the womb. That we do absolutely nothing to engage God and His promises? Is this correct?

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faither said:

lets not forget these answers and understandings are to be applied to the "once saved" part of the osas equation as per this thread.

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thatbrian said:

Now you have added words that weren't in your original question

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faither said:

Thanks Marvin, is Faith in your understanding ( believing continually, or I believed once, and that was sufficient?)

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iron2iron said:

Actually the misinterpretation of the word faith has lead to misunderstanding of the whole Word of God.

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brotherjerry said:

I know this was to Marvin but I had a couple of questions.... Once you know the truth...how can you unbelieve it? Once you know the truth the belief is no longer in the picture is it? From the point of knowing the truth it is then knowledge is it not?

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iron2iron said:

People use this word (faith) to describe everything other that what it is. People say my faith is Buddhist, or Muslim, or Christian. And the evangelical church does the same thing, like my faith is Baptist, or Catholic. This one word has lost it's original meaning.

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faither said:

I'm not sure if doing nothing would be your understanding of what Faith is. But you are the 3rd reply for we are saved by us doing nothing. (its all God, we do nothing) thanks 57

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faither said:

Thanks Marvin, is Faith in your understanding ( believing continually, or I believed once, and that was sufficient?)

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thatbrian said:

Now you have added words that weren't in your original question

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Marvin Knox said:

Those who teach against OSAS here in the forum do not have faith that we have been so saved already and are seated with Christ even now in glory and ruling with Him in His kingdom by faith. They lack faith in what Christ has accomplished already in all those who have exercised saving faith and believed the gospel.

They are not approved of by God.

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-57 said:

Do we do anything to get the gift of faith? I would say...no.

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iron2iron said:

The ten leapers were all healed but only one was made whole. Why? They all obeyed the Word of God (Jesus) but only one obeyed the Holy Spirit. Remember, Jesus said if you blaspheme the Son it will be forgiven you but whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him. The Bible says the kindness of God leads to repentance, Jesus was kind to them but their hearts were hard, and only one obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine that was delivered to him (Romans 6:17), only one obeyed the Holy Spirit, and only one was made whole (saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit). Acts 5:32 God's gives His Holy Spirit to them that obey Him. But you will only obey if your heart has been prepared, and that is your responsibility (Jeremiah 4:3-4).

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iron2iron said:

No, it is a gift from God. But if God persuades you it is your responsibility to obey Him.

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-57 said:

Whether or not one believes OSAS or doesn't....doesn't mean God does or doesn't approve them.

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iron2iron said:

No, it is a gift from God. But if God persuades you it is your responsibility to obey Him.

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Marvin Knox said:

The term "approved by God" cuts a very wide swath.

Of course - one can be a blood bought and justified child of God and still not have faith that that is the case and will always be so.

If you do not have that faith you are not approved of by God in that particular area of faith.

If you work to undermine the faith of others by teaching the falsehood that our salvation is only temporary - you, or anyone else who so teaches, will answer for it in some way when they receive their "stricter" judgment as a teacher.

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-57 said:

If God persuades you...why would you not repent and believe? (obey)

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Marvin Knox said:

We are justified before God and translated out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of light by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on our behalf.

The cultivation of our assurance of having been placed in that position (seated with Christ in the heavens) is an ongoing work of both the Holy Spirit and us as we yield to Him, study His word and continue to grow in our walk with Him (be "sanctified" or "renew our mind").

The faith exercised at the moment of salvation is never "sufficient". If that moment of faith was the only exercise of faith in our life here on earth we would find ourselves in a situation where most everything we did in our life following conversion was just so much wood, hay, and stubble when we stand before Him on that day.

Ruling with Him from Heaven is a constant, ongoing fight of faith. We have been translated into His kingdom - but only the strong among us make much use of that position.

To do that - we must study the Word to understand what our standing is at this present time. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

What you don't "know" won't help you much.

It is here, in this undermining of faith in His Word, where the people who teach against eternal security here in the forum will have much to answer for when they stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.


"Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment." James 3:1

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