Syria: Broken Nation

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My understanding is that under Danish law, a citizen who owns more that 10,000 kroner in valuables can be compelled to sell them before being elgible before to receive welfare benefits. Denmark is simply extending this requirement to asylum seekers.

If it's good enough for the Danes then it should be good enough for the asylum seekers. But no, Al-Jazeera chooses to liken this to WWII NAZI concentration camps. :rolleyes:

...Rancid Islamist propoganda.
 
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If it's good enough for the Danes then it should be good enough for the asylum seekers. But no, Al-Jazeera chooses to liken this to WWII NAZI concentration camps. :rolleyes:

...Rancid Islamist propoganda.

Ummmm, Yahoo news (I also linked to it) also reported about the comparisons to how Nazis treated Jews. So did the New York Times.

And a Danish politician was appalled by the suggestion to seize wedding rings: "Martin Geertsen, a member of parliament from the center-right Venstre party currently leading Denmark's coalition government, condemned Henriksen, noting that the idea of seizing wedding rings "awakens terrifying historical images."
 
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My understanding is that under Danish law, a citizen who owns more that 10,000 kroner in valuables can be compelled to sell them before being elgible before to receive welfare benefits. Denmark is simply extending this requirement to asylum seekers.

Klaus Petersen, a professor at the Centre for Welfare State Research near Odense, confirmed that Danish welfare claimants have to give up their savings before they receive benefits – but not their valuables, unlike refugees. They will also not be searched, except in rare circumstances.

“A Danish citizen could be searched in an extreme case if the municipality has a suspicion of fraud, but you need court permission to do so. For refugees, you would not need a court permission,” he said.


Danish parliament approves plan to seize assets from refugees

("Pernille Skipper, a member of parliament and the legal affairs spokesperson for Enhedslisten, a leftwing Danish party, said: “Morally, it is a horrible way to treat people fleeing mass crimes, war, rapes. They are fleeing from war and how do we treat them? We take their jewellery.")
 
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I don't really see other Muslims or the rest of the world doing very much either. Very sad.
Well, they have an TV channel with which to broadcast Islamist propaganda and anti-Semitism to the American audience. That's something, isn't it?
 
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Taking away property of refugees does sound unethical, but how many of them would have anything besides the clothes on their backs from traveling all the way from Greece to Denmark on foot? Also, I actually think that law sounds like a lot of sense in normal contexts. Denmark doesn't want people mooching off the welfare, so in order to be eligible you can't have anything valuable you could sell in order to sit on a big pile of money from both welfare and pawning off jewelry. refugees don't have to be concerned because I think they said this would only apply to "economic migrants," a concept which I find a bit ridiculous, and they won't have anything valuable to begin with. Taking valuables away from all refugees, though, is pretty disturbing. They have nothing left, and if they want them to leave then they will have to make Syria safe again.
 
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Reprehensible bombing of refugee sites by the regime/allies (particularly Russia):

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Here is a video of the bombing of this refugee camp:

 
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Reprehensible bombing of refugee sites by the regime/allies (particularly Russia):

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Here is a video of the bombing of this refugee camp:

The picture you posted looks fake. Where are the dead bodies in the picture? The picture looks like a picture of a fake controlled demolition of a few plastic tents.
 
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Reprehensible bombing of refugee sites by the regime/allies (particularly Russia):

Different view of the strikes:


"The camp, located in the northeastern part of the Latakia governorate, was hit by more than 40 missiles, according to activist Ammar Ibrahim, who shared video footage of the attack that showed smoke rising from several fires."

"The incident on Saturday isn't the first time that a refugee camp in Latakia has come under attack. In 2011, more than 5,000 Palestinians fled the city of Latakia after Assad's forces attacked the camp with gunboats and ground troops in an effort to crackdown on dissenting factions."


Russia and Assad Accused of Shelling Syrian Refugee Camp Near Turkish Border
 
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“Russia cannot continue to sit at the table as a sponsor of the political process and at the same time be bombing the civilian areas of the groups of people we believe will be the backbone of the new Syria once Assad has gone,” Mr Hammond said. “The Russians cannot be both part of the political process and the key drivers of the military disaster happening on the ground."

Kremlin is ‘prolonging’ war in Syria by bolstering Assad regime with air strikes, says Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond

I think the past few years have exposed Russia and Iran to people (especially Muslims) who may have liked them because of these governments' supposed support for the Palestinians.
 
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Different view of the strikes:


"The camp, located in the northeastern part of the Latakia governorate, was hit by more than 40 missiles, according to activist Ammar Ibrahim, who shared video footage of the attack that showed smoke rising from several fires."

"The incident on Saturday isn't the first time that a refugee camp in Latakia has come under attack. In 2011, more than 5,000 Palestinians fled the city of Latakia after Assad's forces attacked the camp with gunboats and ground troops in an effort to crackdown on dissenting factions."


Russia and Assad Accused of Shelling Syrian Refugee Camp Near Turkish Border
The video you posted looks like a video of a bush fire.
 
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The Russians will stop bombing when the rebels are defeated. They can keep this up for years. It's good practice for their air force.

Good practice for their air force indeed. Never know when they'll need to deliberately kill civilians:

"The Russian armed forces appear to have directly attacked civilians or civilian objects by striking residential areas with no evident military objective and even medical facilities, resulting in deaths and injuries to civilians," it said in a report.

Russian Bombings Have Killed so Many Syrian Civilians They Could Be a War Crime
 
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“Russia cannot continue to sit at the table as a sponsor of the political process and at the same time be bombing the civilian areas of the groups of people we believe will be the backbone of the new Syria once Assad has gone,” Mr Hammond said. “The Russians cannot be both part of the political process and the key drivers of the military disaster happening on the ground."

Kremlin is ‘prolonging’ war in Syria by bolstering Assad regime with air strikes, says Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond
Okay Mr. Hammond, why don't YOU go and live in Syria and then tell us how much you'd like for the rebels to win.
Any sane westerner who had to live in Syria would be praying night and day for a government victory.
 
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Good practice for their air force indeed. Never know when they'll need to deliberately kill civilians:

Since the very beginning of this thread, you've done nothing but whine about the casualties, military and civilian, sustained by your side. This indicated nothing but that the cause you're supporing is lost and you know it. If this level of casualties is truly on acceptable, the logical conclusion is simply that the rebels should surrender. You provided no evidence to argue that they have any chance of winning the war, and rightly so:

Syria army cuts rebel supply route in Aleppo

The last road out of Aleppo, the one heading north to the Turkish border, has, with the help of Russian air support, fallen into government hands. The rebel forces in Aleppo are now completely encircled. Once Aleppo falls, it's only a matter of time before the mopping up in the rest is complete. Then the bombing you condemn so strongly can stop. All the FSA is doing now is postponing that day.
 
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Since the very beginning of this thread, you've done nothing but whine about the casualties, military and civilian, sustained by your side.

When Assad and his allies have killed 96% of the civilians killed thus far (i.e. they have killed about 200k at the very least) and caused 11 million Syrians to be displaced from their homes (exacerbating the refugee crisis), you can bet your bottom dollar that I will shout this from the rooftops to draw attention to this vile, ruthless creature and his supporters.

the cause you're supporing is lost and you know it.

Nothing of the sort. The cause I support is justice and, as dark as Assad's reign is, justice will prevail. I believe in God and in His promises. I believe that He is on the side of the oppressed and of the believers (and I have hope that the Syrian Sunnis generally are believers, God-willing). Whatever the outcome, I believe the believers are the ones who are victorious and that victory comes from God.

Plus, despite having Assad's regime, Iran, Hezbollah, Russia, militias comprised of Shi'as from around the world (Afghanistan, for instance), and ISIS fighting against them, the opposition is still standing and gaining (also losing). Before spring of last year, people were assuming Assad would win. Then the rebels bounced back strong and made major advances (e.g. Idlib). Allaah gives victory in turns.

If this level of casualties is truly on acceptable, the logical conclusion is simply that the rebels should surrender. You provided no evidence to argue that they have any chance of winning the war, and rightly so:

How in the world can this possibly be considered a logical conclusion? It is an insult to the 11,000,000 displaced and hundreds of thousands of dead in Syria to make their deaths and other sacrifices to have been for nothing (in this world). The regime & its allies that are propping it up are still deliberately targeting civilians despite supposed "negotiations". That is not a sign of good faith and willingness to keep to the demands. There is no trusting the regime ever again. The Syrian people will never accept Assad remaining and it is they who get to decide what is worth their freedom and dignity.

Would you surrender to ISIS if they were doing the same thing to you and your countrymen as Assad is to the Syrians? That's mainly a rhetorical question meant to be pondered sincerely.

 
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When Assad and his allies have killed 96% of the civilians killed thus far (i.e. they have killed about 200k at the very least) and caused 11 million Syrians to be displaced from their homes (exacerbating the refugee crisis), you can bet your bottom dollar that I will shout this from the rooftops to draw attention to this vile, ruthless creature and his supporters.
You should be very happy to learn then, that those numbers are hugely exaggerated. You can rest a little lighter knowing that nowhere near that number of civilians have been killed.
Some other very good news for you is that the siege of 60,000 people in villages in northern Aleppo has just today been lifted. Maybe you could share some pictures with us celebrating this wonderful turn of events.
 
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Some other very good news for you is that the siege of 60,000 people in villages in northern Aleppo has just today been lifted. Maybe you could share some pictures with us celebrating this wonderful turn of events.

Let's look at the map to see what this means:

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The rebel held zone in the northwest has just been cut in two. Those advances in Idlib you were talking about? Those troops, just like the rebel forces in Aleppo, are cut off from supply. Say what you want about the Russian air strikes, they're producing results.
 
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You should be very happy to learn then, that those numbers are hugely exaggerated. You can rest a little lighter knowing that nowhere near that number of civilians have been killed.

This number has been given by a credible source (Syrian Network for Human Rights - used by the UN as well) who detail their methodology and I should just forget that because a random person on the internet told me it's hugely exaggerated without providing any proof? Riiiiight. Maybe it helps you sleep better at night when you justify your support for the unjustifiable (i.e. regime and its allies) but I can do no such thing.

Some other very good news for you is that the siege of 60,000 people in villages in northern Aleppo has just today been lifted. Maybe you could share some pictures with us celebrating this wonderful turn of events.

Oh great, the only two sieges enforced by the rebels (as a reaction to the sieges of Sunni towns) have been broken. Now let's hope that the 49/50 remaining sieges enforced by the regime and its allies are also lifted (as well as the 1/50 enforced by ISIS).

Let's not forget to put things in perspective:

"The price of rice offers a measure of the relative severity of the different sieges: a kilogram in rebel besieged Kefraya is $1.25. In ISIS besieged Deir Ezzor, it’s $5. In regime besieged Madaya it’s $256." The UN repeats mistakes of the past in Madaya
 
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This number has been given by a credible source (Syrian Network for Human Rights - used by the UN as well) who detail their methodology and I should just forget that because a random person on the internet told me it's hugely exaggerated without providing any proof? Riiiiight.
The source isn't credible, it is completely bias. The casualty figures are inflated and they gloss over the atrocities committed by the rebels. Propaganda is an important part of war and this is what the source delivers. Historians usually have to sift through all the propaganda after a war ends to try and find out the truth of what happened.

Maybe it helps you sleep better at night when you justify your support for the unjustifiable (i.e. regime and its allies) but I can do no such thing
Supporting Assad is rational and justified based upon the alternatives. If he doesn't remain in power then the terrorists will take over Syria. I never believed in the "moderate Muslims" myth that both Republicans and Democrats were trying to push but now we have come to the point where even they don't really believe it either. The FSA is not a cohesive organization and they are suffering from mass defections of their fighters to other terrorist groups. There is even a debate on whether they still exist or have simply dissolved into numerous localized factions.

The only 3 rebel groups who can field an effective force are ISIS, al-Nusra and the Islamic front and they are all terrorist groups so I could ask why do you support terrorism? How can you justify your support for the unjustifiable?
 
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