Shalom,
What do people here think of end times prophecy with respect to what's going on in syria?
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What do people here think of end times prophecy with respect to what's going on in syria?
Simon
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What's happening in syria is a political crisis, so I thought I could get to know Catholic POV.
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I no longer regard any end times prophesies, biblical or otherwise, to be worth any serious consideration. I do not believe that it is intellectually, emotionally or even spiritually healthy to live our lives in constant expectation of the end times. We should live our lives optimistically with a view to making this world a better place not just today or tomorrow but into the far distant future.
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I don't see any connection. If somebody wanted to make a case during WW1 or WW2 for it being the end times then I might listen but in comparison, this war is small. I think it is pretty natural to try convince ourselves that we are part of the generation of Christians that will witness the end times but I doubt it will happen. You could probably find Christians in every generation who held these beliefs and then attempted to use current events in their time period to make some kind of connection to the Biblical prophecies. The end times is the grand finale so I'm expecting something bigger than WW2.
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LivingWordUnity
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The Reign of Terror, Communism, WWI, WWII, and things up to today are signs of the modern age. Wars were confined to the war areas. But nowadays there are literally armies of terrorists who are located in every country and who can strike anywhere in the world at any time without any warning. Christians in the Middle East have been the victims of a ruthless genocide. Many church buildings that have been there in the Middle East since the dawn of Christianity were desecrated and destroyed.
And the western world has progressively gone downhill morally and spiritually since WWI and WWII. There was the sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s where abortion became legal. That was followed by the homosexual revolution where the SCOTUS redefined marriage in civil law. Now the next thing being pushed is so-called "doctor assisted suicide". And during this, atheism and even straight up Satanism are celebrated in pop culture and endorsed by the state while Christians are now called bigots, and some of us even put in jail, because we won't comply with it. The world has literally been going to Hell in a hand basket.
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Rhamiel
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seeing some of the oldest Christian communities in the world wiped out could be a kind of warm up to the "great apostasy"
like the Jacobite uprisings could be seen as something that influenced the American Revolution 30 years latter
or Islamic aggression for centuries help lead to the Crusades
like not a direct relation, or rather, this is not specifically mentioned in Revelations
but this is helping to set the stage
if that makes sense?
like the Jacobite uprisings could be seen as something that influenced the American Revolution 30 years latter
or Islamic aggression for centuries help lead to the Crusades
like not a direct relation, or rather, this is not specifically mentioned in Revelations
but this is helping to set the stage
if that makes sense?
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I think the table is being set now. Not only Syria and the Middle East in general but look at Europe. Europe has committed cultural suicide and Their Slide into chaos is hastening. I Don't think Europe can comeback. I also believe the US is not far behind. We Are losing the colllective intestinal fortitude we once had. With the lack of leadership and loss of sprituality our collapse is also hastening.
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Rhamiel
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but there was also the USSR and the French Revolution
yes the effects of those things are still being felt
but during both of those times priests and monks and nuns and faithful Catholics were being slaughtered in bulk
so it is not like that now
I agree with you, I think things are starting to wind down at a faster pace
but things have been bleak before and then gotten better
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LivingWordUnity
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It's a single downward slope of apostasy from the French Revolution to our day.
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Actually I see a "French Revolution" style event in the future of the USA. The reasons will be exactly the same --- the gross excesses of the rich and powerful.
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LivingWordUnity
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Do you consider George Soros to be like that?
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They are scripturally unconnected.
What is happening today in Syria is not what St John warned first century Christians 1900+ years ago would "shortly take place".
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LivingWordUnity
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Here's something that I think explains things well:
Thoughts to Make One Lose Sleep by Dr. Scott Hahn: St. Thomas on Jerome in the introduction to his commentary on the Psalms: “Prophecies are sometimes uttered about things which existed at the time in question, but are not uttered primarily with reference to them, but in so far as they are a figure of things to come. Therefore, the Holy Ghost has provided that when such prophecies are uttered, some details should be inserted which go beyond the actual thing done so that the mind may be raised to the thing signified.”
So the destruction of the Temple is the type of the end of the world. Israel’s Old Testament history becomes a proto-type of the history of every nation. The pattern: conversion, renewal, subsequent lapse, apostasy, and eventual judgment and destruction. This will happen to every nation, including our own! Thus, in verse 11, 12 and 13, within the judgment of the Old Testament Kingdom, there is a foreshadowing of the judgment of all nations. The incident points beyond itself to the end of the ages. Thus, there is a jump from middle history to the end of history.
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So the destruction of the Temple is the type of the end of the world. Israel’s Old Testament history becomes a proto-type of the history of every nation. The pattern: conversion, renewal, subsequent lapse, apostasy, and eventual judgment and destruction. This will happen to every nation, including our own! Thus, in verse 11, 12 and 13, within the judgment of the Old Testament Kingdom, there is a foreshadowing of the judgment of all nations. The incident points beyond itself to the end of the ages. Thus, there is a jump from middle history to the end of history.
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noting that pattern ^^^ was well done indeed. it's so easy to start slipping backwards in ordinary time.
But the comming of Lent gives us a chance at recollection and renewal; to be once more recievd back onto fellowship of the flock,
to feed once again in green pastures, and drink from good still waters that don't present the danger of drowning us poor sheep.
But the comming of Lent gives us a chance at recollection and renewal; to be once more recievd back onto fellowship of the flock,
to feed once again in green pastures, and drink from good still waters that don't present the danger of drowning us poor sheep.
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