Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone

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I think the NT is actually well suited to provide the basis for a body of Christians who have one Lord but many theologies.

Jesus wants us to be one as he and the Father are one.

Do you think they disagree about what is true?
 
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Yes, that's the other side of the story that you seem unfamiliar with. For decades I only knew your side. The Reformation is not what you've been taught.

Fine, you can believe what you want. I'll stick to my credible historical sources, you stick with whatever else you have.
 
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Yes, that's the other side of the story that you seem unfamiliar with. For decades I only knew your side. The Reformation is not what you've been taught.

ViaCrucis' history is just fine, from any perspective.

You seem to have been spending much time of websites dedicated to giving people "debating" points. Quote mines of patristic sources without bothering to look at the textual and historical context, like the ones you posted earlier, are a pretty sure sign. There are plenty of people here who can and like to talk about that context, from all kinds of backgrounds.

The almost inescapable conclusion that comes from this, though, is that there is not a knock-down obvious argument that will show people that they ought to be Catholic (or Orthodox or Anglican or whatever.)
 
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The almost inescapable conclusion that comes from this, though, is that there is not a knock-down obvious argument that will show people that they ought to be Catholic (or Orthodox or Anglican or whatever.)

I disagree. I believe that is why hundreds of protestant pastors have converted to Catholicism in recent years.
 
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God did not tell us that they would know us by the crosses around our necks and a stack of religious books In our hands.
I once knew a guy who wore a cross that was as big as a frying pan. Every other word out of his mouth was the "F" word.

Too many churches are wrapped up in things if this world to appreciate my thoughts on the matter, so I'll refrain from further comment on this thread.....that is until/unless something is posted that catches my eye.
 
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I disagree. I believe that is why hundreds of protestant pastors have converted to Catholicism in recent years.

I think you'll find there are converts in all directions. I could spit and find many former-Catholic Anglicans, and I expect many of our Orthodox and Lutheran members could say the same. "Protestant" isn't really a very useful designation in this instance - I suspect what you may mean is something like evangelical or non-denominational.

In any case, I don't think you will find you quote-mines are very effective with people who actually read those texts, and there are plenty of them here, from many different religious backgrounds.
 
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I think you'll find there are converts in all directions. I could spit and find many former-Catholic Anglicans, and I expect many of our Orthodox and Lutheran members could say the same. "Protestant" isn't really a very useful designation in this instance - I suspect what you may mean is something like evangelical or non-denominational.

In any case, I don't think you will find you quote-mines are very effective with people who actually read those texts, and there are plenty of them here, from many different religious backgrounds.
The majority of those in our local Anglican church were confirmed as Catholics.
 
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I think you'll find there are converts in all directions. I could spit and find many former-Catholic Anglicans, and I expect many of our Orthodox and Lutheran members could say the same. "Protestant" isn't really a very useful designation in this instance - I suspect what you may mean is something like evangelical or non-denominational.

In any case, I don't think you will find you quote-mines are very effective with people who actually read those texts, and there are plenty of them here, from many different religious backgrounds.

Thou hast filled my mouth with laughter.
 
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Don't more than a few of us realize that NO denomination has all of the Truth?

I don't care if your "church" goes back to the very beginning of time and i do not care how many "traditions" you have or who handed them down. All churches are packed full of man's traditions.
Jesus Christ did NOT form the Catholic church or the Baptist church or the methodist church or the Anglican church or any of the denominations that exist today.
People need to get over themselves on this matter. Claiming that your particular church is THEE church is mockery. It mocks our Holy God. Jesus started the one true church and there are members of His church all around you. They can be found in just about every church you can name, and furthermore, all churches have unsaved members. That's the way it is.

Sorry, but this stuff about being the original church and those believers not attending your church as being separated from the True church and in need of returning is foolishness. There are millions of believers around the world getting along just fine without your doctrines.
Get over yourselves!!!!
 
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Don't more than a few of us realize that NO denomination has all of the Truth?

I don't care if your "church" goes back to the very beginning of time and i do not care how many "traditions" you have or who handed them down. All churches are packed full of man's traditions.
Jesus Christ did NOT form the Catholic church or the Baptist church or the methodist church or the Anglican church or any of the denominations that exist today.
People need to get over themselves on this matter. Claiming that your particular church is THEE church is mockery. It mocks our Holy God. Jesus started the one true church and there are members of His church all around you. They can be found in just about every church you can name, and furthermore, all churches have unsaved members. That's the way it is.

Sorry, but this stuff about being the original church and those believers not attending your church as being separated from the True church and in need of returning is foolishness. There are millions of believers around the world getting along just fine without your doctrines.
Get over yourselves!!!!

I'm not sure why you keep bringing the topic back to this. We have explained that our position(s) concerning our respective Church(es) do NOT mean that "everyone who is not a member of our Church is unsaved." If you wish to understand what we DO mean, you are free to ask questions.

But bringing this up as a grievance when we have already told you this is not the case is not helpful.

Thank you.
 
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