The Firmament, and the Cause of the 40 Days of Rain of the Great Flood

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There are many who do not understand what the "firmament" in Genesis 1:6 was, and think that it was merely just referring to the heaven, or what we calk the sky, but there is actually more to it than just that. Lets take a look at the passage mentioning the firmament,
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the water, and let it be for parting between water and water! [7] And God made the firmament, and God parted between the water which was underneath the firmament, and between the water above the firmament.
(Genesis 1:6-7 [ABP])

The Greek word for firmament is "stereoma", which means "firm", and it is also used in this passage,
For if even in the flesh I am absent, yet in the spirit I am with you, rejoicing and seeing your order, and the firmness, the one of your belief in Christ. (Colossians 2:5 [ABP])

Notice how in the Genesis passage, in this "firmament", there was water above it, and water below it. This isn't talking about clouds, because clouds are in the firmament, not above it. Peter also makes mention of this,
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (2 Peter 3:5 [KJV])

So what exactly is this firmament, where there is water above it and water below it, and the earth is said to be out of the water, yet in the water? Lets take a look at this prophecy in Ezekiel,
And the likeness above the head of the living creatures was as a firmament, as the vision of ice being stretched out over their wings on top. (Ezekiel 1:22 [ABP])

The firmament was an expanse of air, the sky, being firmly compacted by ice above it, hence why the earth was out of the water, meaning as dry land separated from the water, but within the water, meaning underneath this ice water. This layer of ice, created a "vault" of air, firmly placing the air beneath it, and compacting it, hence why in some translations, the word vault is used instead of firmament,
And God said, "Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water." (Genesis 1:6 [NIV])

This compaction and vaulting of the air of the sky created what we nowadays call a "hyperbaric environment", meaning the air was pressurized, thus causing many different effects in how big and lush plants grew, in how big and healthy humans grew, and many other effects that hyperbaric conditions cause. This layer of ice water, was the source of water that came from the heaven during the flood in the days of Noah, as we read here,
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. (Genesis 7:12 [NIV])

This layer of ice melted, and thus caused it to rain on the earth forty days and 40 nights contributing to the flooding of the earth, as the earth was also flooded by the springs of the deep that burst open, which indicates a release of pressure when this layer of ice above the firmament began collapsing as liquid water.

May God open your understanding. You can also view this study on my blog at http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2016/01/2...he-firmament-in-genesis-before-the-flood-was/ .
 
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this is mostly in line with what my studies led me to. I picked up a new translation of the Torah at the library. I've never seen before. It's called The First Five Books of Moses by Everret Fox. He used the word dome in place of firmament/expanse. I think "expanse" is a better word to use in terms of explaining the structure of the firmament.

everything in existence that we know of is inside of the firmament. He separated all the water in existence by creating the firmament and putting humankind inside of it.

If I believe the Scriptures, which I do, that means when I look at the clear blue sky, I am looking up at water that's above the shamayim(Sky/heavens)


“Praise Yah! Praise יהוה from the heavens, Praise Him in the heights! Praise Him, all His messengers; Praise Him, all His hosts! Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all you stars of light! Praise Him, heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! Let them praise the Name of יהוה, For He commanded and they were created”
Psalms 148:1-5 IRS98



Are you a globe or flat earther? What do you think the Scriptures point to: a geocentric or heliocentric universe?
 
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this is mostly in line with what my studies led me to. I picked up a new translation of the Torah at the library. I've never seen before. It's called The First Five Books of Moses by Everret Fox. He used the word dome in place of firmament/expanse. I think "expanse" is a better word to use in terms of explaining the structure of the firmament.

everything in existence that we know of is inside of the firmament. He separated all the water in existence by creating the firmament and putting humankind inside of it.

If I believe the Scriptures, which I do, that means when I look at the clear blue sky, I am looking up at water that's above the shamayim(Sky/heavens)



Psalms 148:1-5 IRS98



Are you a globe or flat earther? What do you think the Scriptures point to: a geocentric or heliocentric universe?

A globe or flat earther? It is obvious that the earth is a globe, not a flat surface. Even Isaiah spoke concerning the curve, or circle of the earth,
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: (Isaiah 40:22 [KJV])

Now, concerning geocentric or heliocentric, which was created first, the earth or the sun? Indeed it was the earth. And was the earth created for the sake of the sun, or was the sun created for the sake of the earth? Indeed the sun for the sake of the earth. Therefore, it stands to reason that the earth is of greater importance than the sun, which is why in the new heaven and new earth there won't even be need for a sun,
And the city has no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they should shine forth in her; for the glory of God gives her light, and her lamp is the lamb. (Revelation of John 21:23 [ABP])
 
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A globe or flat earther? It is obvious that the earth is a globe, not a flat surface. Even Isaiah spoke concerning the curve, or circle of the earth,


Now, concerning geocentric or heliocentric, which was created first, the earth or the sun? Indeed it was the earth. And was the earth created for the sake of the sun, or was the sun created for the sake of the earth? Indeed the sun for the sake of the earth. Therefore, it stands to reason that the earth is of greater importance than the sun, which is why in the new heaven and new earth there won't even be need for a sun,

Copernicus proved the Earth orbits the sun, not vice versa, much to the consternation of the misguided Roman Church.

Speaking of which, by the way, the explanation you offer in the OP seems difficult to square with the scientific record of how the Earth actually came into being.
 
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There are many who do not understand what the "firmament" in Genesis 1:6 was, and think that it was merely just referring to the heaven, or what we calk the sky, but there is actually more to it than just that. Lets take a look at the passage mentioning the firmament,


The Greek word for firmament is "stereoma", which means "firm", and it is also used in this passage,


Notice how in the Genesis passage, in this "firmament", there was water above it, and water below it. This isn't talking about clouds, because clouds are in the firmament, not above it. Peter also makes mention of this,


So what exactly is this firmament, where there is water above it and water below it, and the earth is said to be out of the water, yet in the water? Lets take a look at this prophecy in Ezekiel,


The firmament was an expanse of air, the sky, being firmly compacted by ice above it, hence why the earth was out of the water, meaning as dry land separated from the water, but within the water, meaning underneath this ice water. This layer of ice, created a "vault" of air, firmly placing the air beneath it, and compacting it, hence why in some translations, the word vault is used instead of firmament,


This compaction and vaulting of the air of the sky created what we nowadays call a "hyperbaric environment", meaning the air was pressurized, thus causing many different effects in how big and lush plants grew, in how big and healthy humans grew, and many other effects that hyperbaric conditions cause. This layer of ice water, was the source of water that came from the heaven during the flood in the days of Noah, as we read here,


This layer of ice melted, and thus caused it to rain on the earth forty days and 40 nights contributing to the flooding of the earth, as the earth was also flooded by the springs of the deep that burst open, which indicates a release of pressure when this layer of ice above the firmament began collapsing as liquid water.

May God open your understanding. You can also view this study on my blog at http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2016/01/2...he-firmament-in-genesis-before-the-flood-was/ .


You came close, but not quite.

YES, there are scientific evidence proving of a much higher pressure atmosphere during ancient times and have resulted to gigantic proportion of creatures - insects, dinosaurs, and even possibly humans.

But you don't need ice above the atmosphere to create the much higher pressure atmosphere.

Just look at the planet Venus, it's the Earth's twin in terms of planetary size and weight. But the atmospheric density/pressure of Venus is 92x greater than Earth at the surface, it's insane!

If the Earth used to have extremely dense and much thicker atmosphere then it can hold much greater quantities of water vapor...

A possible theory is that a massive object, possibly a planet zipped by Earth, stealing most of its atmosphere and temporarily displacing it from orbit. The farther distance from the Sun resulted to cooling and condensed the vast amounts of water vapor in it causing it to rain "cats and dogs".

As well as the massive tidal forces from the close brush with another planet, underground water sources broke loose and we had a global flood of epic proportions. Eventually, the Earth's orbit normalized, some of the water went back to the atmosphere as water vapor and with the tidal forces gone, the waters receded.
 
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Copernicus proved the Earth orbits the sun, not vice versa, much to the consternation of the misguided Roman Church.

Speaking of which, by the way, the explanation you offer in the OP seems difficult to square with the scientific record of how the Earth actually came into being.

Which thing specifically are you talking about?
 
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The idea that the Earth was surrounded by a hard shell of ice. This is contrary to science.

I myself am a scientific person, however, I am also a person of belief. To me, if the scriptures say that something was a certain way, then I readily believe it and don't try to disbelieve it out of trying to rationalize it. Disbelief is not a good thing, and even prevented Moses from entering the promised land. Now, the ice shell is absolutely possible, especially if it were first created that way, and would thus create an atmosphere with hyperbaric conditions which are known to exorbitantly grow plant life, also make humans bigger and healthier, and could also be the reason why humans lived such long lives. If indeed an ice shell were suspended in the atmosphere, it would be held up by the pressure of the air pushing outwards to it from the everywhere on the globe. There is nothing unscientific about this scriptural reality, and in fact, it scientifically explains many things, how even a great rain of 40 days came about on the entire earth.
 
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I myself am a scientific person, however, I am also a person of belief. To me, if the scriptures say that something was a certain way, then I readily believe it and don't try to disbelieve it out of trying to rationalize it. Disbelief is not a good thing, and even prevented Moses from entering the promised land. Now, the ice shell is absolutely possible, especially if it were first created that way, and would thus create an atmosphere with hyperbaric conditions which are known to exorbitantly grow plant life, also make humans bigger and healthier, and could also be the reason why humans lived such long lives. If indeed an ice shell were suspended in the atmosphere, it would be held up by the pressure of the air pushing outwards to it from the everywhere on the globe. There is nothing unscientific about this scriptural reality, and in fact, it scientifically explains many things, how even a great rain of 40 days came about on the entire earth.

The problem with this argument is that an ice shell, aside from being inconsistent with known scientific evidence, is a rationalization. It is also not an important or terribly relevant issue, in the grand scheme of things; no one would be kept out of the Promised Land for thinking the Firmament meant something else.
 
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