The Second Coming not before 2065?

stephen583 · Jan 17, 2016

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8, KJV).

This explanation of how God perceives time is of such critical significance to understanding the meaning of God's Word, the Apostle Peter say's among everything else he teaches, this "ONE THING" is of singular importance, and no Christian should be "IGNORANT" of it.

Imagine the implications if this is true. If one day is with the Lord as a thousand years of our time, then Jesus was crucified and risen from the dead a little over TWO DAYS ago, (according to the way God reckons time). Try to wrap your head around that one !. So Christ and the Apostles were absolutely correct when they stated the "Last Days" had already begun, and the time was "At hand". The Apocalypse has always been a "PRESENT" event. It was a present event two thousand years ago, and it is a present event today. This is where Futurists and Preterists both fail to understand the whole truth.

Bible prophecy often occurs in preparatory and consummate stages of fulfillment. The time between the preparatory fulfillment (initial sign), and the consummation of the prophecy can span decades, generations, or even thousands of years. So the argument between Preterist views and Futurist views is unbiblical nonsense. It's just a bunch of "self important" NOISE distracting from the real Truth.

Do I believe we are living in the Last Days ?! Absolutely. Has the Apocalypse begun ?! Absolutely, Yes. In point of fact, according to my research of End Time Bible prophecy, it's a virtual certainty the Tribulation Period (the last seven years), has already begun.

Add to this the preponderance of questionable doctrine and unbiblical mythology associated with "popular" modern eschatology, and it becomes clear how one of the "seeming" contradictions of the Scripture is going to come about. How every sign of the Tribulation Period will be as apparent as "lightning shining from the east even unto the west", (Matthew 24:27)... And yet Christ comes as a "thief" in the night !, (Revelation 16:15). People are so brainwashed by myths and fables, (2 Timothy 4:3).. they are "oblivious" to what is taking place right before their very eyes.

Ronald · Jan 18, 2016

Fusion77 said:
I think I should share what I believe is to happen in the not so distant future. Along with that, to offer some advice, along with this warning. I would advise that we all get as close to God as is possible. Through prayer, His word, fellowship etc. Ask the Lord to remove anything which may be displeasing to Him, from out of our lives. This could only be a win win situation.

I would warn that a Great War is coming soon. That the Lord is about to shake the heavens and the earth, as stated in Haggai 2:20-23. I feel like I should give warning beforehand. We should all know that this is yet an unfulfilled prophecy, as God has not yet shaken both the heavens and the earth. We know this from Hebrews 12:26-27.

I believe with a certainty of about 99% that this message has gone forth on the 24th day of the 9th month (Kislev) in our year 2015, which was the first day of Chanukah, which is the first day of the feast of dedication, which was on 12/06/2015. I do not know exactly when this "shaking" will occur, but I believe it will be this year. of course, it could be more than a year. I will move one punctuation mark from 2:20-21 Look at Haggai 2:20-21 in the ESV a good word for word. I will simply move one period.
the word of the Lord came a second time to Haggai. On the 24th day of the month, Speak to Zerubbabel, the Governor of Judah saying "I am about to shake the heavens and the earth".

What I am saying, is that the Lord preserved that message for about 2535 years and delivered it last month, on the 24th day of Kislev, which is the 9th month. That unfulfilled prophecy, is soon to be fulfilled.

If Amos 3:7 says He will reveal it first to His servants the prophets. And this end time Zerubbabel is His servant and that according to Haggai 2:23.

Concerning 2065. Too long. Let's take it in stride. After this war, many things will be be changed. After the war, likely at least 7 years, possibly up to 20 years.

So in essence, you are saying the shaking of the heavens and the earth will occur by March 24. 2016? Interesting. Two weeks prior to that is a solar eclipse on March 09 and within the same Hebrew calendar year we had a Blood Moon as well (possibly a sign as well) and March 25 is Good Friday.

Fusion77 · Jan 18, 2016

Ronald said:
So in essence, you are saying the shaking of the heavens and the earth will occur by March 24. 2016? Interesting. Two weeks prior to that is a solar eclipse on March 09 and within the same Hebrew calendar year we had a Blood Moon as well (possibly a sign as well) and March 25 is Good Friday.

Not necessarily saying on that date, but soon to be. the Lord has spoken the message in Haggai 2:20-23 1 month and 12 days ago. Based on that, you can read that message like it came forth today (well, last month).

I do think it could possibly occur in close proximity to one of the Dates of the feasts. (Unleavened, weeks, tabernacles, even dedication).

Fusion77 · Jan 18, 2016

Ronald said:
So in essence, you are saying the shaking of the heavens and the earth will occur by March 24. 2016? Interesting. Two weeks prior to that is a solar eclipse on March 09 and within the same Hebrew calendar year we had a Blood Moon as well (possibly a sign as well) and March 25 is Good Friday.

Let me explain. The book of Haggai is very important to us NOW. In the book of Haggai, there are several messages. Some of the messages are for the past (520 b.c.), but some are for the future (now). If a message is recorded, it is either for the past, or for the future. The message won't go back and forth to past and future in the middle of the message...Unless a day or date is mentioned.

The way to tell if a message is past or future is if Darius's name is in the message as a timeline. If his name is there, it's for the past. If it isn't, it's a message for the future. Example Haggai 1:1 Haggai 1:15 Haggai 2:10 notice how Darius's name is in the message, as a timeline. We know these are messages for the past. But, look at Haggai 2:1 Haggai 2:20. Darius's name is NOT in the message, which signifies this message is for the future. We know date that these messages will be spoken, but the year isn't mentioned. I'm telling you that Haggai 2:20 has been spoken on the 24th day of the 9th month 2015 our year. That's all I know, I don't know the exact date this war will occur though.

This can only be realized through word for word translations Asv, Nasb, RSV, ESV, KJV etc.

Fusion77 · Jan 18, 2016

Ronald said:
So in essence, you are saying the shaking of the heavens and the earth will occur by March 24. 2016? Interesting. Two weeks prior to that is a solar eclipse on March 09 and within the same Hebrew calendar year we had a Blood Moon as well (possibly a sign as well) and March 25 is Good Friday.

actually the 24th day of the 9th month in the Hebrew calendar last year was 12/06/2015.

Another Lazarus · Jan 18, 2016

We need to thank God Yahova that His bread of Mercy is still given to us.
The peaceful situation of your environment.
The delicioous food and wine at your kitchen
The fruits and honey at your refrigerators
Bacon, smoked salmon, beefsteaks, mushrooms omelette
fresh water supply and fresh air to breath.
The green forest and blue mountains and the glorious sea.
What else can you ask for from God for God has provided bountifully.
While His Mercy for wicked sinners do not last forever............
The bread of Great Tribulation shall befall throughout the whole world

Henoch [Chapter 100]
9 Woe to you, ye sinners, on account of the words of your mouth,
And on account of the deeds of your hands which your godlessness as wrought,
In blazing flames burning worse than fire shall ye burn.

[Chapter 98]
4 I have sworn unto you, ye sinners, as a mountain has not become a slave,
And a hill does not become the handmaid of a woman,
Even so sin has not been sent upon the earth,
But man of himself has created it,
And under a great curse shall they fall who commit it.

[Chapter 103)
5 Woe to you, ye sinners, when ye have died,
If ye die in the wealth of your sins,
And those who are like you say regarding you:
'Blessed are the sinners: they have seen all their days.

6 And how they have died in prosperity and in wealth,
And have not seen tribulation or murder in their life;
And they have died in honour,
And judgement has not been executed on them during their life."

7 Know ye, that the sinner's souls will be made to descend into Sheol
And they shall be wretched in their great tribulation.
8 And into darkness and chains and a burning flame where there is grievous judgement shall their spirits enter;
And the great judgement shall be for all the generations of the world.
Woe to them, for they shall have no peace.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Ronald · Jan 19, 2016

Fusion77 said:
Not necessarily saying on that date, but soon to be. the Lord has spoken the message in Haggai 2:20-23 1 month and 12 days ago. Based on that, you can read that message like it came forth today (well, last month).
I do think it could possibly occur in close proximity to one of the Dates of the feasts. (Unleavened, weeks, tabernacles, even dedication).

I'm with you on that, and when you tack on this previous super blood moon (last in the tetrad), which was the only one that appeared over Israel and coming solar eclipse on March 09, 2016 (see Rev. 6:12), it would have to occur in this Hebrew calendar year which ends on March 11, 2016 or within weeks of that. The further away from this date, the more invalid these prophetic signs become (or at least our interpretation of them.) I also have suspected that if anyone attacks the U.S.A, they would do it on Obama's watch. So, this year should be eventful.

John S · Jan 19, 2016

Ronald said:
I'm with you on that, and when you tack on this previous super blood moon (last in the tetrad), which was the only one that appeared over Israel and coming solar eclipse on March 09, 2016 (see Rev. 6:12), it would have to occur in this Hebrew calendar year which ends on March 11, 2016 or within weeks of that. The further away from this date, the more invalid these prophetic signs become (or at least our interpretation of them.) I also have suspected that if anyone attacks the U.S.A, they would do it on Obama's watch. So, this year should be eventful.

Have you forgotten who the President was during 9/11?
I'm sorry - but that statement was completely ignorant.

Ronald · Jan 21, 2016

John S said:
Have you forgotten who the President was during 9/11?
I'm sorry - but that statement was completely ignorant.

Oh, you sound like an Obama fan. Yes, terrorism attacks anyone at any time, no matter who is president. I was referring to more powerful countries like Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China. But maybe they won't? Would you ignore those countries as possibly being hostile toward us? That would be ignorant.

John S · Jan 21, 2016

Ronald said:
Oh, you sound like an Obama fan. Yes, terrorism attacks anyone at any time, no matter who is president. I was referring to more powerful countries like Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China. But maybe they won't? Would you ignore those countries as possibly being hostile toward us? That would be ignorant.

I suppose that Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China, or any other country wouldn't attack us during the time of a Republican President.
To think that one of these countries would attack us ONLY because there is a Democratic President IS ignorant.

Fusion77 · Jan 21, 2016

Ronald said:
Oh, you sound like an Obama fan. Yes, terrorism attacks anyone at any time, no matter who is president. I was referring to more powerful countries like Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China. But maybe they won't? Would you ignore those countries as possibly being hostile toward us? That would be ignorant.

My warning is that the message in Haggai 2:20-23 has gone forth. That's really all I can say. The time, I believe will be in the next year or 2. However, it could be next month, I just don't know. There may be a clue for us Haggai 2:22 about who will be in this war. It states everyone will go down by the sword of his brother. Also, that this will include the overthrow of the thrones of kingdoms. This is what I see after looking into the original language. It also seems to suggest heathen nations. Perhaps, it's speaking of muslin nations turning against each other, but would likely have to be nuclear, in order to shake the heavens and the earth.

We can only speculate as to the USA involvement in this. Is our president Muslim? I think it is a legitimate question. Could he be one of the "brothers" who attacks with the sword (nuclear weapon)? Purely Speculation. Regardless, we should all have our spiritual house in order. However it happens Haggai 2:20-23 is soon to be fulfilled. It's hard to say exactly which countries will be involved. But, Muslim countries seem to fit the description best.

Ronald · Jan 23, 2016

Fusion77 said:
My warning is that the message in Haggai 2:20-23 has gone forth. That's really all I can say. The time, I believe will be in the next year or 2. However, it could be next month, I just don't know. There may be a clue for us Haggai 2:22 about who will be in this war. It states everyone will go down by the sword of his brother. Also, that this will include the overthrow of the thrones of kingdoms. This is what I see after looking into the original language. It also seems to suggest heathen nations. Perhaps, it's speaking of muslin nations turning against each other, but would likely have to be nuclear, in order to shake the heavens and the earth.

We can only speculate as to the USA involvement in this. Is our president Muslim? I think it is a legitimate question. Could he be one of the "brothers" who attacks with the sword (nuclear weapon)? Purely Speculation. Regardless, we should all have our spiritual house in order. However it happens Haggai 2:20-23 is soon to be fulfilled. It's hard to say exactly which countries will be involved. But, Muslim countries seem to fit the description best.

Many have postulated Obama as being the Antichrist and a Muslim. First of all, the Antichrist is a pawn of Satan and Satan actually possesses him at a particular moment. Before that, this person doesn't have a clue, just like Judas didn't until Satan came into him. Is Obama a Muslim? It appears he is protective of Muslims and appeases them but hasn't really demonstrated a worship for anyone but himself. He attended a church for 20 years led by Rev. Wright who preached damn the U.S. and racism as well. Many people go to church and aren't true Christians -- they are the tare amongst the wheat. They pretend, but in their hearts, they follow another agenda. Obama's mentors are Marxist, anti-American and anti-Constitution, so what should we expect? But a true Muslim would not be pro-gay marriage -- that's a sign that he isn't a Muslim. Gays are murdered in Muslim countries. He isn't religious at all, but he is a pawn.

Ronald · Jan 23, 2016

John S said:
I suppose that Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China, or any other country wouldn't attack us during the time of a Republican President.
To think that one of these countries would attack us ONLY because there is a Democratic President IS ignorant.

Iran messed with Jimmy Carter during the hostage crisis, but once Reagan became president, he ordered them to quickly release the hostages or else and they did. Reagan was instrumental in ending the cold war, bringing down the walls in Germany and ending communism in Russia. With a passive weak president as we have, countries have grown stronger and more aggressive, taking advantage of this show of weakness. Republican presidents are pro-military and are not reluctant to go over and kick butt when it's necessary. The Middle East unraveled because of the Obama administration policies. They thought the Arab Spring and dethroning Mubarek and Quadhafi would turn out well. How many Secretaries of Defense has Obama gone through? Why? They all disagreed with his military policy of weakness.

John S · Jan 23, 2016

Ronald said:
Iran messed with Jimmy Carter during the hostage crisis, but once Reagan became president, he ordered them to quickly release the hostages or else and they did. Reagan was instrumental in ending the cold war, bringing down the walls in Germany and ending communism in Russia. With a passive weak president as we have, countries have grown stronger and more aggressive, taking advantage of this show of weakness. Republican presidents are pro-military and are not reluctant to go over and kick butt when it's necessary. The Middle East unraveled because of the Obama administration policies. They thought the Arab Spring and dethroning Mubarek and Quadhafi would turn out well. How many Secretaries of Defense has Obama gone through? Why? They all disagreed with his military policy of weakness.

AGAIN you skipped over President Bush and 9/11.
AGAIN you skipped over the part where the toppling of Saddam Hussein led to the formation of ISIS. Then again maybe that moron Rush Limbaugh didn't teach you that part of history.
TYPICAL Republican nonsense - Invade first and ask questions later.

Contrary to the NONSENSE that you have been taught, the Middle East unraveled because of the pathetic Middle East policies of Mr. Bush.

Ronald · Jan 24, 2016

John S said:
AGAIN you skipped over President Bush and 9/11.
AGAIN you skipped over the part where the toppling of Saddam Hussein led to the formation of ISIS. Then again maybe that moron Rush Limbaugh didn't teach you that part of history.
TYPICAL Republican nonsense - Invade first and ask questions later.

Contrary to the NONSENSE that you have been taught, the Middle East unraveled because of the pathetic Middle East policies of Mr. Bush.

This is the claim that Obama and Democrats are pushing. It is entirely inaccurate. Islamic terrorism: Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Taliban and all other Islamic terrorists were around before the Iraq war. Islam for hundreds of years forced conversions by murdering, chopping of heads, hands and feet, raping, and exiling as they would push to occupy territories. Learn some history, this is what they've been doing for centuries and now it's coming to a head.
Iraq was stable when our troops were there. It became unstable when they left, and Obama move that was a mistake.
Another mistake was drawing the red line with Syria. Assad crossed it and Obama did nothing. ISIS had no caliphate until after the Syrian revolt grew and spread over into Iraq. Now they occupy a territory the size of Indiana. Obama let this happen.
They attacked us on 9/11 before we went into Iraq.
They attacked the Twin Towers years before that as well as our embassies and US Cole. And actually Clinton had an opportunity to get Bin Laden and he didn't.
Obama and Hillary were instrumental in removing Mubarek and Quadhafi and now these countries are terrorist camps and unstable. Hillary is going down and Bernie is a socialist. It's time for you to consider changing sides!

stephen583 · Jan 28, 2016

The Tribulation Period already began in December 2015. WELCOME TO THE APOCALYPSE.

John S · Jan 29, 2016

stephen583 said:
The Tribulation Period already began in December 2015. WELCOME TO THE APOCALYPSE.

Nonsense.

Douggg · Jan 29, 2016

stephen583 said:
Do I believe we are living in the Last Days ?! Absolutely. Has the Apocalypse begun ?! Absolutely, Yes. In point of fact, according to my research of End Time Bible prophecy, it's a virtual certainty the Tribulation Period (the last seven years), has already begun.

stephen, the last 7 years are close, but they have not begun. There needs to be three things to happen first.

1. The EU has to transform into a ten leader federal government, with the little horn as the leader.
2. Gog/Magog has to take place.
3. The little horn as the prince who shall come is embraced by Israel as their messiah, making him the Antichrist.

As the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel instead of Jesus, the person will oversee the reading of the law to the nation of Israel from the temple mount, which is what begins the 7 years.

In Deuteronomy 31:9-13 Moses made a law that applied to all future generations of Israel to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant every 7 years. The way that was to be done is that the law was to be read to the assembly of Israel from the place of God's choosing. I have talked to the Jews (Judaism) about this and they say the place of God's choosing they take to be the temple mount.

Of course with the big issue over who has rights to the land of Israel, the muslim are never going to allow any leader of Israel to make such a confirmation that God gave the land to Israel, forever. So it has to be done after Gog/Magog when the muslim control of the temple mount will be eliminated.

And in Ezekiel 39, there are two feast on bodies which God destroys armies. The first feast is on Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4, ending the muslim control of the temple mount. And the prince who shall come arrives in Israel.

The second feast is in Ezekiel 39:17-20, after 7 years of burning the weapons of Gog's army which also equates to the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. The second feast is the Armageddon feast in Revelation 19 at Jesus Return.

All of this is pretty straightforward. All we got to do is watch as things start to happen, beginning with the EU.

Psalm3704 · Jan 29, 2016

stephen583 said:
The Tribulation Period already began in December 2015. WELCOME TO THE APOCALYPSE.

Not saying I agree, but care to explain how you've derived at this conclusion?

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