72% of Atheists biased in favor of Muslims over Christians

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They have not "broken off" from traditional Muslims. What Radical Islam claims is that its extremism is actually going back to its roots -- that this is true Islamic teaching (e.g. making sex slaves). The Muslim world has generally stood by and allowed the terrorists to enjoy their atrocities because they cannot oppose Jihad, which would mean opposing the Quran and Mohammad. The few Muslims who speak out have a bounty (a fatwa or kill order) placed on their heads. But even fringe groups calling themselves "Christians" do not pretend to be waging a "holy war" against the rest of the world.
What ever you want to believe. But Christians have a horrible past. That happened in the US. That why Atheist or people in the US have less trust for Christians. Also some Christians have a past of being very judgmental, In earlier times. They would kill people. If Christians do something wrong now. Other Christians claim that's not a true Christian. But Radical people do something that have Muslim roots. Muslims claim the same thing. Christians wont listen and try to blame every Muslims. Both Religions have a bad histories. Both religions have people doing horrible things. Christians are just sneaker about it. I just tend to believe religions started, because people wanted people to behave a certain way. If you read the bible. It pretty clear.
 
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Evangelical Christians are only about 25% of the population of the USA (and that could be high. I would say between 5 and 10% (please see below and refer to http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/ ). And that is why America has a Muslim President.
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This seems accurate; by the way, a jump in the population idenfitying as agnostic/atheist by 3.1 percent is incredibly dramatic shift for a mere seven years.

Frankly, I hope that the trend continues: what Christianity needs is to reach a boiling point within itself. It desperately needs to have an internal reformation (with a little r). It also helps to become more and more marginalized: then our solutions and positions will seem to be mroe fresh, and they will not be assumed to be failed values anymore but emergent values.

It'd be a good pscyhological benefit for us.
 
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Can't fault that. But extremists in general are, not least because they tend to create their own extremist opposition, not enough people realising that a minimally disturbed centrist position is the best rebuttal.
The two extremes then produce an increasing polarisation as those not yet so affected in being appalled by one extreme are pushed rather than drawn towards the other.

In the UK for many, many years the two main parties came to look very much like each other as they wee campaigning for where the majority votes were: in the middle.
When they stop doing this, the votes have moved away from the centre, and/or there may well be need to move to cover more extreme small left and right parties starting to grow.
This leaves natural centrists or moderates with hardly anywhere to go.
In some ways there is a small growing number of people forming nationalists groups in reaction to the extreme Muslims. Because they have become a threat by trying to take over and push their ways onto the host country some are saying they dont want foreign people and especially extreme Islam with sharia rule telling them what to do. So now they have reacted by forming patriotic and nationalists political groups to stop all immigration and keep they traditional ways. So in this sense one extreme has created another as a reaction.

The thing is their appeal seems to to well received as it has an element of truth in it which people can relate to and are concerned about. They just go overboard by holding rallies which normally get out of hand. They want to ban all foreigners including those who have done nothing wrong.
 
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some are saying they dont want foreign people and especially extreme Islam with sharia rule telling them what to do. So now they have reacted by forming patriotic and nationalists political groups to stop all immigration and keep they traditional ways. So in this sense one extreme has created another as a reaction.

The thing is their appeal seems to to well received as it has an element of truth in it which people can relate to and are concerned about. They just go overboard by holding rallies which normally get out of hand. They want to ban all foreigners including those who have done nothing wrong.

"They just go overboard"...and with that those horrified by this trtend to get pushed out of the centre away from a balanced position, while those believing the propaganda (true or not... cool analysis is being lost, by this point) are pulled in the opposite direction. A pull and a push on the centre to and from both extremes.

David Cameron, UK PM, managed it nicely before Christmas with "anyone who does not support my policy is a terrorist sympathiser" (paraphrase.)
"David Cameron branded a lot of people 'terrorist sympathisers' and they're not happy about it." Independent 2nd Dec 2015
 
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LivingWordUnity said:
... There are even some who identify as "Christian" who don't even believe in God....

ecco said:
Care to name some?
This article gives an example of one of them: A Non Theistic Christian Priest?
Did you even read what was in the link you posted?

The new dean of Washington’s National Cathedral identifies himself here as a “non theistic Christian.” I came across some of these agnostic or atheist priests while I was an Anglican. I remember one of them preaching this long winded sermon comparing his own agnosticism to the dark night of the soul.

The "here" link leads nowhere.
"some of these agnostic or atheist priests" is meaningless

Care to try again.
 
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I do indeed discern the difference. Maybe if you would compare what I actually wrote with what you said in reply you too would discern the diff. That's what I thought you'd do after my last reply. :)

Sorry, my poor choice of words, Please explain the difference?
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross. What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior) and amend your life (turn away from sin) that's it. But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross. What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior) and amend your life (turn away from sin) that's it. But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

ALL religions demand faith in their claims. There is nothing unique in Christianity in that regard.
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross. What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior) and amend your life (turn away from sin) that's it. But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

Can you name a religion that does not require faith in what the theology of the religion claims?

And, I don't see Christianity or any other religion as a threat, I see certain people who use religion to justify negatively judging others, or attempting to control other people, an issue though.
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross. What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior) and amend your life (turn away from sin) that's it. But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

Or it just might be what the Church did to David Straton and Helen Stirke!
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross.

One more failed Christian psychic, claiming to be able to read my mind and then producing clear evidence of being unable to do so.

As someone who accepted the message of the Gospel, and for many years believed it and tried to live it, how was it an offence?
That I later discovered (to my judgement and satisfaction) that I had been misinformed in certain key matters, causing me to re-evaluate my belief, had nothing whatsoever to do with "the offence of the cross".

What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior).

You've not noticed that faith can be vice as much as virtue? Faith can be had in anything. Objectively it says nothing about the validity of the object of faith, but subjectively it can do nothing but conform such.

But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

Well that's a technical point of Christian theology, true.
But expressed like that, alone, a simple lack of communication skills will ensure a poor response, without the slightest need to invoke "the offence of the Gospel"
What a strange thing: to want to address and audience and then not to consider the possibility of speaking their language.

Depraved?
I did get a speeding ticket once, twenty years ago.
But I've had interviews, and police checks, to be passed suitable to work as an unpaid volunteer with vulnerable adults and children. Amazing that my depravity and evil wasn't spotted. Especially since it was in the Idi Amin or Hitler class.

Yes, I know what the bible says.
And why I no longer believe it.
But that has nothing to do with "the offence of the cross"
Unless you want to insist that you known my mind better than I do.
But if you do, two or more can play that game.
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross. What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior) and amend your life (turn away from sin) that's it. But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

The average atheist resists the 'need for a saviour' as much as you resist your need to submit to Zeus.

I trot this tired line out too often, but here it is again: We get that these kinds of assumptions are a result of the need for Yahweh to be real to others. Telling yourself we dismiss the faith due to some sort of fear of your god is far more satisfying and bolstering than having to admit we see your god as no more threatening (or real) than the tooth fairy. No one wants to think the majority of the world sees their favourite god this way - and that's merely and inoffensively human.
 
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The reason people see Christianity as a threat is simply the offense of the cross.

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Atheists aren't vampires. :p

What does Christianity expect of you? or anyone else? That you have faith (see your need for a savior) and amend your life (turn away from sin) that's it.

Well, no. There's one more thing -- truly believing in absurdities and unevidenced claims.

But to see your need for a savior you must confront your depraved sinful condition, and most people will not choke down they are as evil as anyone else who has ever walked this earth.

I'd call irrationality a depraved and immoral condition. Christians ask me to be irrational. I'd like to rise above that.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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72% of Atheists think Christians are a bigger threat than Muslims.

You left out an important part of it. That part being that they think that they are a bigger threat to the country.

While fundi muslims in the middle east are dangerous for sure, they do not pose any existential threat to the US.

At BEST, they can manage a somewhat half successfull terrorist attack every couple of years. 9/11 being an extremely rare success. Which was like more then a decade ago.

Since then, the amount of casualties in the US from muslim terrorism has been so small that it doesn't even show on the statistics of unnatural deaths. And there is no reason to think this will change any time soon.

In the meantime, there are a LOT of fundamentalist christians in the US, some of which are in seats of power and others who could potentially obtain seats of power.
 
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